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Gas prices expected to soar

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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24755 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 15:36:34
June 10 2008 15:35 GMT
#1
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN0928288920080609?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true

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U.S. gasoline pump price relief nowhere in sight

By Chris Baltimore and Tom Doggett

WASHINGTON, June 9 (Reuters) - Average U.S. gasoline pump prices -- already above $4 a gallon -- could run up 3 dollars or more by mid-summer, if crude oil prices don't fall from record levels near $140 a barrel, analysts said.

Gasoline prices are up almost $1 from a year ago, heaping pressure on a U.S. economy beleaguered by falling home values, a sagging dollar and an anemic job market. Oil prices have risen six-fold in the past six years and are up 40 percent since January.

For the first time ever, average retail U.S. pump prices tracked by the Energy Information Administration rose above $4 a gallon on Monday to average $4.04, up 96 cents from a year ago. California prices averaged $4.43 a gallon.

There are more gasoline price increases lurking in the fuel delivery chain, especially if U.S. refiners are able to boost historically low profit margins and pass more of their soaring crude oil costs along to consumers.

"There is still a very big upside potential to gasoline prices, because refining margins are not anywhere near where they were a year ago," said Fadel Gheit, an analyst with Oppenheimer & Co.

"By the middle of July, if oil prices don't go lower, we are going to see another pop of at least one to two dollars," Gheit said of gasoline retail prices.

U.S. crude CLc1 settled up $10.75 at $138.54 a barrel on Friday, after touching an all-time high of $139.12, in its biggest gain in dollar terms on record. U.S. oil futures were lower on Monday at about $136.50 a barrel.

If Friday's jump were fully priced into retail gasoline prices, they would increase about 25 cents a gallon, Gheit said.

So far, that hasn't happened because low demand for gasoline, as well as a mandate for refiners to use corn-blended ethanol, has kept U.S. refining margins weak, he said.

According to Credit Suisse, a U.S. Gulf Coast refinery can make about $16.03 from turning a barrel of oil into gasoline and other products. That's down from $28.59 a year ago.

So far, profit incentives to produce gasoline are so anemic that major refiners like Valero Energy Corp (VLO.N: Quote, Profile, Research) are shutting down gasoline-making equipment.

"They are all cutting (gasoline production) because they say they are not in the business of losing money," Gheit said. "They are not running a charity for the truckers and the motorists."

Oil prices could top $250 a barrel by July 4, one of the busiest U.S. travel holidays, as strong demand in Asia triggers a slowdown in shipments of crude to the United States, investment bank Morgan Stanley said last week.

A $250 oil price would equate to about $7.50 a gallon for gasoline, if refinery profit margins hold steady, according to Tancred Lidderdale, an analyst with the federal Energy Information Administration.

"It will be going higher," Lidderdale said about the national pump price. "The price will be going up, and it all depends on the price of crude oil." Crude oil prices comprise more than 70 percent of gasoline prices.

Such estimates vary, however. According to analysts at the Oil Price Information Service, a $250 oil price would yield a retail pump price in a range of $6.32 to $6.37 a gallon.

Consumption in the United States already has shown signs of faltering, even as the world's top consumer enters the summer vacation season, when gasoline demand generally peaks. (Editing by micronesia)

God I wish the Prius was a nicer looking car.

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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 10 2008 15:38 GMT
#2
I plan to bike to work.
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
June 10 2008 15:42 GMT
#3
i think gas prices are even higher here, you have it good in the states !
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
June 10 2008 15:45 GMT
#4
fuck that so gay
Nak Allstar.
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
June 10 2008 15:54 GMT
#5
$3.97 a gallon here, so not terrible compared to what I could have... This is still terrible news. SOMEONE JUMP ON THAT SHIT-FUELED CAR!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
June 10 2008 15:55 GMT
#6
Use bike or bus, fuckers.
Save the world.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25993 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 16:13:22
June 10 2008 16:13 GMT
#7
Thinking about this makes my head soar.
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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 16:34:41
June 10 2008 16:34 GMT
#8
Story time:

A guy at school was complaining about gas prices earlier in the day I then saw him peel out of the school.

Society makes me giggle.

If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 16:47:13
June 10 2008 16:36 GMT
#9
On June 11 2008 01:13 Chill wrote:
Thinking about this makes my head soar.


soar.
sore.

*giggles*
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
June 10 2008 16:37 GMT
#10
The only reason gas prices will soar is that people think they will soar. If we did not think they would soar, they would not soar. If people and the media stopped fucking expecting it to soar, then the speculators and people buying gas wouldn't expect them to soar so they would buy cheaper.
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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
June 10 2008 16:37 GMT
#11
Oh I think you guys already know this, but watch the way you drive don't stress the engine too much and drive around 55mph it helps out a lot. I've driven 55 and watch that I don't stress the engine out (ie dont step hard on the pedal) and you do get a lot better mileage. I'm getting roughly 6 miles to the gallon more and in the end it does at up especially with current gas prices.
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BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
June 10 2008 16:39 GMT
#12
On June 11 2008 01:37 UmmTheHobo wrote:
The only reason gas prices will soar is that people think they will soar. If we did not think they would soar, they would not soar. If people and the media stopped fucking expecting it to soar, then the speculators and people buying gas wouldn't expect them to soar so they would buy cheaper.


LOL, "The Secret"? You realize the whole movie is based on optimism and pessimism.
If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans.
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
June 10 2008 16:44 GMT
#13
I'm averaging 28 MPG on my CRV +_+b
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 10 2008 16:47 GMT
#14
I've always hated on SUV and Truck drives so ha! eat it!
UmmTheHobo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States650 Posts
June 10 2008 16:51 GMT
#15
On June 11 2008 01:39 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
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On June 11 2008 01:37 UmmTheHobo wrote:
The only reason gas prices will soar is that people think they will soar. If we did not think they would soar, they would not soar. If people and the media stopped fucking expecting it to soar, then the speculators and people buying gas wouldn't expect them to soar so they would buy cheaper.


LOL, "The Secret"? You realize the whole movie is based on optimism and pessimism.


I have never seen that movie.

I just was thinking and one day I am like "LOL, the drilling companies are not jacking up prices, the speculators and people buying from drilling companies are."
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gwho
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States632 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 18:13:57
June 10 2008 17:58 GMT
#16
forget the prius. get biodeisel and browns gas cars.

biodiesel does not mean u just buy diesel at the pump instead of regular gas. it means u can put in vegetable oil in it, cooking oil, a lot of oils. my brothers teacher, and arnold shwarzzenegger have biodiesel cars and drive up to kfc and ask for their leftover oil and start chugging away smelling like frenchfries and chicken.

i read an article in time's magazine about a midwest tinkerer with no engineering background fix up the hummer to run on biodiesel. it gets 65 miles to the gallon. let that bounce around your head for a while. and then look at the gas prices. stop thinking that gas is the only source of energy or that you need to be dependent on it!

biodiesel all and good but water powered cars are even better. it's too bad these aren't getting on mainstream media as much as trying to constantly remind you how pissed you should be that gas is going up. only a couple times do they do it, then it gets silenced. so instead of just walking to the dealing and buying a biodiesel or water powered car, u have to go through a few hoops. but people do it. if you (anyone) are really that worried over gas prices, isn't it worth the effort to look into another way that has already paved the proven path?



a short of browns gas (water power) companies world wide
http://www.waterfuelconverters.com/theindustry.html


a fox news about this long ago

stanley meyer



caveat: this is probably not "zero pouint energy" and a misnomer. it is HHO brown's gas.




shows you what the true spirit of science - experimenting with a free mind - can do. (and also what a strong effect the establishment saying "you can't do that" has)
gwho
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States632 Posts
June 10 2008 17:59 GMT
#17
THE PRICE OF GAS HAS STAYED CONSTNAT IN RELATION TO GOLD!!!!

gas isn't going up, the dollar is going down! just keep track of how much they inflated the currency since bush got in office, the time gas started to go up!

bring back sound money.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
June 10 2008 18:25 GMT
#18
On June 11 2008 02:58 gwho wrote:
forget the prius. get biodeisel and browns gas cars.

biodiesel does not mean u just buy diesel at the pump instead of regular gas. it means u can put in vegetable oil in it, cooking oil, a lot of oils. my brothers teacher, and arnold shwarzzenegger have biodiesel cars and drive up to kfc and ask for their leftover oil and start chugging away smelling like frenchfries and chicken.

i read an article in time's magazine about a midwest tinkerer with no engineering background fix up the hummer to run on biodiesel. it gets 65 miles to the gallon. let that bounce around your head for a while. and then look at the gas prices. stop thinking that gas is the only source of energy or that you need to be dependent on it!

biodiesel all and good but water powered cars are even better. it's too bad these aren't getting on mainstream media as much as trying to constantly remind you how pissed you should be that gas is going up. only a couple times do they do it, then it gets silenced. so instead of just walking to the dealing and buying a biodiesel or water powered car, u have to go through a few hoops. but people do it. if you (anyone) are really that worried over gas prices, isn't it worth the effort to look into another way that has already paved the proven path?



a short of browns gas (water power) companies world wide
http://www.waterfuelconverters.com/theindustry.html


a fox news about this long ago

stanley meyer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmlLqkUHd0&amp;feature=related


caveat: this is probably not "zero pouint energy" and a misnomer. it is HHO brown's gas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo



shows you what the true spirit of science - experimenting with a free mind - can do. (and also what a strong effect the establishment saying "you can't do that" has)


Biodiesel is a shitty stop gap. It's the reason why all of our corn prices have fucking sky rocketed. It's not a real solution.

On June 11 2008 02:59 gwho wrote:
THE PRICE OF GAS HAS STAYED CONSTNAT IN RELATION TO GOLD!!!!

gas isn't going up, the dollar is going down! just keep track of how much they inflated the currency since bush got in office, the time gas started to go up!

bring back sound money.


lol...do you have any clue what you're talking about? The ratio has been horribly off for several months now.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-10 18:35:00
June 10 2008 18:33 GMT
#19
On June 11 2008 03:25 Hawk wrote:

Biodiesel is a shitty stop gap. It's the reason why all of our corn prices have fucking sky rocketed. It's not a real solution.

Biodiesel is different from ethanol. Biodiesel is usually made from wasted vegetable oil (which is why you can refuel from fast food restaurants) or soy beans. It's more efficient than ethanol and isn't nearly as damaging to the environment.

It still is a stop gap, but it's a much better one than ethanol.
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yn01_
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada149 Posts
June 10 2008 18:42 GMT
#20
We have technology to go to mars and we can't fucking use something else to power a car. Actually i heard something about using water and electricity to make a car run
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