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I just made a topic (http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=71110) about my thoughts on the zynastor / oblivion interview, and it was soon closed. Apparently there had been 3 topics about it before, all which were closed. Few read the closed section so how are we to know?
The reason for the closing of the first topic was because "hey we dont support hacks or hacking or hackers or hackmakers here." This is a totally stupid thing to say. Firstly chaoslauncher, is technically a hack. Secondly Zynaster has done good things too like the creation of observer mode and apm-live. Thirdly we aren't supporting him or his hacks but discussing it (in a negative way too).
I think that interview is something many people would be interested in seeing and discussing (clearly true by the fact that 3 topics about it were made). Frankly I am just annoyed by closing of topics not allowing for any discussion. If this topic gets closed or removed I am out of here for good, there are plenty of other sites that allow free speech.
Edit: actually close this topic please.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883
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personally, i see those threads as pretty marginal, i generally don't really like seeing threads get closed or posts deleted but these just aren't that great to begin with. you're giving publicity to a hack maker, and the only real responses you're going to get here are 'wow what a faggot' and 'hope he dies.' so it's either gonna be 1) an open thread with shitty, generic responses or 2) a closed thread that just avoids the issue altogether.
edit: it's equally stupid to argue how obviously helpful programs like chaos are 'technically' hacks. the intentions behind them and their uses are absolutely positive and do not in any way compromise the integrity of the game.
ps. nobody's gonna close your blog, you should probably edit out your stupid leaving threat so you don't embarrass yourself
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Your reason for closing is much more logical, I agree it is bad to give publicity to hacks and probably not much useful discussion will take place, If that was provided as the reason for original close I probably wouldn't have posted this blog.
I still feel it should be discussable though because I suggested the idea of him deliberately making it detectable in such a way that blizzard and common users would never bother to check, but leagues could use to keep it clean. Maybe someone else might have insightful things to say, but we will never know if it isn't discussed.
Also I will not edit top post, it is not really a threat but just a true statement to let moderators know that I value the ability to have a voice. I like TL.net so I rather look stupid than not give moderators a hint as to what I (and hopefully others) want.
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TL is not a democracy. The reasoning behind closing the interview is fairly obvious. Why would you want discussion of hacks at all on your legitimate SC forum? It doesn't matter if all people are doing it are insulting the creator.
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On May 11 2008 03:56 H_ wrote:
TL is not a democracy. The reasoning behind closing the interview is fairly obvious. Why would you want discussion of hacks at all on your legitimate SC forum? It doesn't matter if all people are doing it are insulting the creator.
you are in a discussion concerning hacks.
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On May 11 2008 03:56 H_ wrote:
TL is not a democracy. The reasoning behind closing the interview is fairly obvious. Why would you want discussion of hacks at all on your legitimate SC forum? It doesn't matter if all people are doing it are insulting the creator.
Reasons to discuss hacks: How to stop them? How to detect them? Etc, ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.
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On May 11 2008 04:19 flag wrote:
Reasons to discuss hacks: How to stop them? How to detect them? Etc, ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.
What? You think Zynastor is going to show up and be like K guys, here's how to circumvent my work? The interview topic contributed nothing. The entire thread was people discussing how much of an asshole he was. When someone comes up with an antihack that stops/detects drophack/maphack then yeah, sure, it warrants a post. Use some common sense.
Also, classing Chaoslauncher as a hack is true. But the intent is wholly different. Is it hypocritical to spit upon third party software and then risk getting banned to see your own APM and some other features? Yes, it is. Can you see the difference between using Chaoslauncher and using Oblivion? I fucking hope so.
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Hurry somebody close the TSL thread about hacking.
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Calgary25989 Posts
We don't support hacks and the people who make them. We don't give them publicity.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
and i think that is a good policy.
The guy has no remorse and he makes hacks for thousands of people who dont deserve the time of day. So who cares? If you do care, interview him yourself. If people start gaining fame from legit organizations like TL.net than suddenly hacking or making hacks doesnt seem like sucha bad idea.
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United States43305 Posts
I read the closed forum for cheap thrills. And I'm sure if you search functioned zynastor you'd have found the topics that had been closed. Not hard stuff. As for the "zomg threes peach!!!" stuff, tl doesn't work like that.
You really have nothing to complain about. You made a topic that had already been made several times because you failed to use search function. It was closed. That's all.
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Free speech, but even more important, publicizing and supporting hacking doesn't exist here.
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kwark give me a fucking break no where does it say always read closed topics to see if your topic has been discussed before and i didnt use the search because it recent so not seeing it on front page meant to be not discussed before. if closed topics werent meant to be read they wouldnt be moved to their own forum. also im not complaining about MY thread being closed, that is understandable, but im complaining not being able to discuss this in general regardless who's topic it is.
tl has made its reason clear why they dont wont it discussed, they dont want to give him publicity. this is perfectly fine, just would have been nice if they explained that when they closed other topics so i would have known why and not made this stupid blog post.
but in other note seriously this zynastor person might be more reasonable than you guys think, if you ask him to make his hacks detectable for leagues he might, but you never know unless you ask.
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United States43305 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On May 11 2008 05:05 flag wrote:
kwark give me a fucking break no where does it say always read closed topics to see if your topic has been discussed before and i didnt use the search because it recent so not seeing it on front page meant to be not discussed before. if closed topics werent meant to be read they wouldnt be moved to their own forum. also im not complaining about MY thread being closed, that is understandable, but im complaining not being able to discuss this in general regardless who's topic it is.
tl has made its reason clear why they dont wont it discussed, they dont want to give him publicity. this is perfectly fine, just would have been nice if they explained that when they closed other topics so i would have known why and not made this stupid blog post.
but in other note seriously this zynastor person might be more reasonable than you guys think, if you ask him to make his hacks detectable for leagues he might, but you never know unless you ask.
He said specifically in his interview SEVERAL times that he fixed his hacks so that his users wouldnt complain ie making them undetectable or fixing the methods that made them detectable. Nothing absolutely NOTHING accept your blind logic that he "seems like a reasonable guy" suggests he would pull a 180 and make anti hack hacks? Are you kidding me? Did you even read the interview?
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Germany2896 Posts
You will not convince any of the hackers on bwh to go over to the light side. Best you can hope for is that they leave ICCup alone. Drophacks are about the only hacks considered malicious there.
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On May 11 2008 05:23 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2008 05:05 flag wrote:
kwark give me a fucking break no where does it say always read closed topics to see if your topic has been discussed before and i didnt use the search because it recent so not seeing it on front page meant to be not discussed before. if closed topics werent meant to be read they wouldnt be moved to their own forum. also im not complaining about MY thread being closed, that is understandable, but im complaining not being able to discuss this in general regardless who's topic it is.
tl has made its reason clear why they dont wont it discussed, they dont want to give him publicity. this is perfectly fine, just would have been nice if they explained that when they closed other topics so i would have known why and not made this stupid blog post.
but in other note seriously this zynastor person might be more reasonable than you guys think, if you ask him to make his hacks detectable for leagues he might, but you never know unless you ask. He said specifically in his interview SEVERAL times that he fixed his hacks so that his users wouldnt complain ie making them undetectable or fixing the methods that made them detectable. Nothing absolutely NOTHING accept your blind logic that he "seems like a reasonable guy" suggests he would pull a 180 and make anti hack hacks? Are you kidding me? Did you even read the interview?
i said might, i doubt he would do it, but cant hurt to try. also he made it clear he makes them for bnet and doesnt care about leagues, did you even read the interview?
edit: ok asked him myself via email, feel free to insult me farther after my attempt fails.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
rofl
Yeah. Evidently of the two of us I am the only one too.
jesus. I said nothing he said would even hint towards that being a possibility and you ignored that sentiment cause it paints you a moron. And no he doesnt "make it very clear he doesnt care about leagues" all he has said was "its not my concern where they use it or who they are."
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incontrol dont you have a tsl match to be in right now?
edit: oh wait you dont thats right
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
hahaha
burnn
Did you have a round of 48 match to play? No.. so why mock me when I did better than you?
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Haha leave flag alone, he's the guy who found out the new hack detection method.
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On May 11 2008 07:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
hahaha
burnn
Did you have a round of 48 match to play? No.. so why mock me when I did better than you?
i dont know i just am a dick to people that am a dick to me. although you werent that much of a dick so im sorry. i just get annoyed because it feels like so often when i or anyone makes a post that isnt 100% in conformance with standard thinking every jumps on them in such a rude manner.
fact is tl doesnt want to give zynastor publicity (which is reasonable). people didn't expect this (because it had its own news post at gg.net, so hard to expect that it would be closed, so they make topic without searching the closed). so really there is no problem, i just dont see why every has to be such a dick all the time.
there is really nothing left to talk about, if this stays open more people are just going to flame me, so seriously close this topic please so i can enjoy watching the tsl in peace.
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whoa the tsl stream is very nice. i know that the sweet overlay is done by R1CH, but is it also using bw observer mode to see building status/etc (it would be so ironic if it is)?
edit: nm it is from a replay not observer mode
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Valhalla18444 Posts
hey flag if you don't like the rules you can fucking cry about it
who the hell are you to make a blog about how stupid the rules are?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
i mean just to be clear, I am the person who closed those threads, and I'll close any threads of that manner without hesitation. We have reasons for the things we do here, and they mostly center around what is or is not acceptable content for our site.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
also i'm sorry i was rude just then
but yeah its really fucking annoying when people come in here and bitch about the moderation. we decide what is or is not acceptable content, not you
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On May 11 2008 07:49 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Haha leave flag alone, he's the guy who found out the new hack detection method.
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wtf im not bitching about the rules, and the only rule i broke was not searching before making a topic, which as a mistake and accident on my part. the only thing i am bitching about is the reason that was quoted for closing the original thread in the first place.
you can close whatever topic you want, but if you dont want people to bitch about it at least provide a sensible reason. if i feel moderation is stupid i will bitch about it. its your site you can do what you want and no one can stop you, congratulations you are powerful but if you abuse this power i will leave its not like my life depends on tl.net there are other bw communities out there.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
oh you didnt break a rule and i'm not power tripping i'm just saying its really annoying when people bitch about stupid threads being closed
i mean the reasons for those threads being closed should be obvious
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Valhalla18444 Posts
i mean honestly its not really a 'rule' because despite the reasons being obvious to everyone on staff they may not be to x user so its not like we'd punish you for making that thread
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flag. you made your point and let's just move on.
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