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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 29 2022 07:21 GMT
#1
When discussing afterlife, I see a lot of people glibly say, "There was nothing before you were born, why would there be anything after?" I always feel like asking how they are sure that there was nothing before birth? I can't remember the first years of my life, but I certainly existed. It's conceivable that one could have lived before their current birth and just not remember anything. I guess it is an idle question what happens after death, but still it's hard not wonder: does everything you've ever known, thought, felt - change irrevocably, or simply vanish altogether?

Sometimes I really long for void, to erase the great shame and disgrace I've made of my life. Other times I think there are memories I want to hold on to for all time. People I've loved whose kindness, humor, uniqueness I wish I could preserve so that they never die.





pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2496 Posts
January 30 2022 08:49 GMT
#2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJiYEiGg3c&t=1096s
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
January 30 2022 20:29 GMT
#3
On January 30 2022 17:49 pebble444 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJiYEiGg3c&t=1096s


5 hours... is there a tldr somewhere?
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2496 Posts
January 31 2022 20:56 GMT
#4
On January 31 2022 05:29 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2022 17:49 pebble444 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJiYEiGg3c&t=1096s


5 hours... is there a tldr somewhere?


Sorry, I’ m afraid not; but if you did want one, I guess one would say “the proof is in the pudding”
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria408 Posts
February 04 2022 19:27 GMT
#5
We can read in Plato the opinion of Socrates, it's an opinion I side with. He says there are two options. Either death is like sleep that we don't awaken from (and it's a most welcome repose, free from trouble and worry) or it's a transition for the mind (even better than the other option). Marcus Cicero was repeating this in his Tusculan disputations.
I very much wish it's the second option and I after I die would get the chance to speak with them and Einstein, Newton, Darwin and pretty much every interesting person in history. But so far there's nothing, not even one confirming experiment, not even a hint, to suggest that's the case and souls actually exist and are transferred somewhere after the body dies. After all, biological molecules do not need a soul, a vital force or a creator to make them alive, they just do it in the right conditions. Living creatures are a crafty mix of physics and chemistry, made possible by laws of quantum mechanics which govern how atoms come together to form molecules. And as such, I'm inclined to think they just perish when the conditions are unbearable.
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
February 05 2022 06:32 GMT
#6
On February 05 2022 04:27 JoinTheRain wrote:
We can read in Plato the opinion of Socrates, it's an opinion I side with. He says there are two options. Either death is like sleep that we don't awaken from (and it's a most welcome repose, free from trouble and worry) or it's a transition for the mind (even better than the other option). Marcus Cicero was repeating this in his Tusculan disputations.
I very much wish it's the second option and I after I die would get the chance to speak with them and Einstein, Newton, Darwin and pretty much every interesting person in history. But so far there's nothing, not even one confirming experiment, not even a hint, to suggest that's the case and souls actually exist and are transferred somewhere after the body dies. After all, biological molecules do not need a soul, a vital force or a creator to make them alive, they just do it in the right conditions. Living creatures are a crafty mix of physics and chemistry, made possible by laws of quantum mechanics which govern how atoms come together to form molecules. And as such, I'm inclined to think they just perish when the conditions are unbearable.


Yeah I would like to meet a bunch of history's great figures too. Maybe not speak to them personally but at least get to listen. I've been meaning to reread the Phaedo, Plato always has plausible sounding explanations for these difficult questions. It's too bad I can't remember much of what I read. Thanks for reminding me of his arguments on this subject.

I guess it's true that with zero evidence despite much seeking, it's most reasonable to conclude that there isn't a soul animating life. Seems like wishful thinking to want a soul to exist, but on the other hand there's so much of the universe we have yet to explore and understand. I'd like to think finding life on another planet some day would shed more light on the nature of what life is - if there's more to it than what we have observed on our tiny planet.

On February 01 2022 05:56 pebble444 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2022 05:29 Starlightsun wrote:
On January 30 2022 17:49 pebble444 wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJiYEiGg3c&t=1096s


5 hours... is there a tldr somewhere?


Sorry, I’ m afraid not; but if you did want one, I guess one would say “the proof is in the pudding”


Thanks I did save the video and hopefully will watch it some day, or maybe check out the book.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
February 10 2022 02:34 GMT
#7
It's called the Devil's Proof. You can't prove the nonexistence of something with lack of evidence. Hence, logically, the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim that something exist.
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