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Mech seems weaker now

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targ
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Malaysia445 Posts
June 03 2013 18:46 GMT
#1
I thought HOTS was supposed to focus on buffing mech with the changes - battle hellions and widow mines added, siege mode free and thors getting the high impact mode to deal with heavy air. But it seems that mech is even less viable than before, it wasn't good in TvP in WOL and it still isn't, while in TvZ it used to be ok, but vipers seem to own it now.

Anyone else feel the same way?

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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
June 03 2013 18:59 GMT
#2
pretty sure everybody except Strelok and Goody feel this way
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 03 2013 19:06 GMT
#3
I think its because of the medivac speed boost tbh.
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Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
June 03 2013 19:24 GMT
#4
From my experience, it's much worse in TvZ, slightly worse in TvP outside of 2 base all-ins, where it's slightly stronger, and about the same or maybe a little stronger in TvT.
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 03 2013 19:37 GMT
#5
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armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
June 03 2013 19:49 GMT
#6
On June 04 2013 04:24 Pursuit_ wrote:
From my experience, it's much worse in TvZ, slightly worse in TvP outside of 2 base all-ins, where it's slightly stronger, and about the same or maybe a little stronger in TvT.


I don't see how it can be much stronger in TvT when the medivac boost basically buffs the one major weakness of it: doom drops in the production line.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 03 2013 19:50 GMT
#7
On June 04 2013 04:37 Emzeeshady wrote:
Yes, and HOTS is better for it

Why? Mech has so much positioning and careful defence involved, and such a low (almost non-existent) margin for error which makes it exceedingly fun to watch and play.
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
June 03 2013 19:54 GMT
#8
Personally, I'd much rather watch someone doing sick drops and microing marine/tank than watch someone turtle and max to an unbeatable army.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 03 2013 19:56 GMT
#9
On June 04 2013 04:54 armada[sb] wrote:
Personally, I'd much rather watch someone doing sick drops and microing marine/tank than watch someone turtle and max to an unbeatable army.

That's not mech
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
June 03 2013 19:57 GMT
#10
Huh?
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 03 2013 20:00 GMT
#11
Mech isn't just turtling to max to get an unbeatable army. Mech is slowly moving across the map, taking expansions, securing a defensive position, harassing your opponent with drops or runbys, and slowly choking him until he's forced into engaging into your perfectly positioned army. Mech is a lot more than turtling, and you're extremely narrow-minded if you think that's all there is to it.
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
June 03 2013 20:06 GMT
#12
My bad, it is turtling with some hellbat drops until you get a max army that you leapfrog across the map.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 03 2013 20:07 GMT
#13
Yep, you're extremely narrow-minded.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 03 2013 20:22 GMT
#14
I have to say that Mech TvT seems stronger, not that I go mech, I've actually semi swapped to bio for some games.
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 03 2013 20:35 GMT
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
June 03 2013 21:13 GMT
#16
On June 04 2013 05:07 kollin wrote:
Yep, you're extremely narrow-minded.

You can't expect a SC2 dude with no BW perspective to understand.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 03 2013 21:21 GMT
#17
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
June 03 2013 21:26 GMT
#18
Nah I've got a fair bit, been following both sc2 and bw in my time here. Also tha guy failed to understand the key concepts behind what mech should be, rather than the much more boring version we have today in hots.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
June 03 2013 21:35 GMT
#19
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armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-03 21:44:12
June 03 2013 21:42 GMT
#20
On June 04 2013 06:13 CecilSunkure wrote:
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On June 04 2013 05:07 kollin wrote:
Yep, you're extremely narrow-minded.

You can't expect a SC2 dude with no BW perspective to understand.


I have plenty of BW perspective, however, we are not talking about Brood War.
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