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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 14 2013 09:20 GMT
#21
I'm not sure I'd call ForGG the original elephant, he was far from top tier at the end, other than that nice blog. I also have TLO and MMA advancing, although I have no idea how good MMA is atm
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 14 2013 09:30 GMT
#22
On May 14 2013 11:07 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 08:30 kollin wrote:
I like how creative and inspirational TLO is.
5/5


Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 08:48 heyoka wrote:
I believe in you TLO.

And your creativity.


Why are we making jokes about this again? I don't get the context.



how many times have you heard someone call TLO creative?
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JollYRoGeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden342 Posts
May 14 2013 10:37 GMT
#23
On May 14 2013 18:20 7mk wrote:
I'm not sure I'd call ForGG the original elephant, he was far from top tier at the end, other than that nice blog. I also have TLO and MMA advancing, although I have no idea how good MMA is atm

Original elephant as in the first GOOD progamer to switch from SC:BW to SC2
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 10:59:36
May 14 2013 10:57 GMT
#24
On May 14 2013 18:19 iNcontroL wrote:
kinda funny using that strelok picture btw.. he lost a TON of weight and looks a lot different than that atm

Ya, should've used this one

[image loading]


Strelok has a shot, I think and so does everyone else in this group.

I'd say that the first game between TLO and ForGG could already decide the group.
BiG
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany153 Posts
May 14 2013 11:03 GMT
#25
#1 ForGG
#2 MMA
#3/#4 TLO/Strelok

not because of koreans being generally better than europeans, but because strelok doesnt seem to be as good as the 2 other Ts in the group and TLO is very gimmicky, which most of the times doesnt work against koreans, especially now that some of his stuff has been shown already.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 14 2013 11:03 GMT
#26
On May 14 2013 19:37 JollYRoGeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 18:20 7mk wrote:
I'm not sure I'd call ForGG the original elephant, he was far from top tier at the end, other than that nice blog. I also have TLO and MMA advancing, although I have no idea how good MMA is atm

Original elephant as in the first GOOD progamer to switch from SC:BW to SC2

yeah but he wasn't actually good at the time of the switch anymore, he lost 8 out of his 10 last matches. MVP for example was imo doing slightly better before his much earlier switch, for example won against some strong players in Hana Daetoo msl round before getting knocked out by Flash.
But hey this is all just nitpicking, there's definitely more important things to argue about :p
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 14 2013 11:37 GMT
#27
I think you underestimate Strelok and overvalue MMA.
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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 12:28:53
May 14 2013 12:26 GMT
#28
On May 14 2013 20:37 Type|NarutO wrote:
I think you underestimate Strelok and overvalue MMA.


Think so too, but MMA really is the wildcard of this group, I have a clear idea about the strenghts/weaknesses of forGG,Strelok and Dario but there just isn't much to work with when it comes to evaluate MMA. Last WCS group and a few ATC matches are all there is available and in those he showed very mixed performances (not looking at results at match outcome but the way he played).
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 14 2013 12:36 GMT
#29
On May 14 2013 20:03 BiG wrote:
#1 ForGG
#2 MMA
#3/#4 TLO/Strelok

not because of koreans being generally better than europeans, but because strelok doesnt seem to be as good as the 2 other Ts in the group and TLO is very gimmicky, which most of the times doesnt work against koreans, especially now that some of his stuff has been shown already.

TLO has a history of beating strong korean terrans when he wasn't nearly as solid as he's now. You might call it gimmicky but him being unpredictable and not going for the greedy style every game is exactly what terrans are afraid of.
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
May 14 2013 13:01 GMT
#30
On May 14 2013 08:59 Otolia wrote:
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On May 14 2013 08:30 prOpSnuffe wrote:
"ForGG has finished 2nd place at two big international tournaments, ESWC and Assembly Summer yet is still without a StarCraft tournament victory." Dreamhack Valencia doesn't count as a big international tournament?

He didn't win it. TaeJa did thus beginning the Summer of TaeJa. Overall ForGG is a nightmare for Millenium fans. He looks so strong sometimes but can lose stupidly in the next game. If stars align then the sky is the limit ...


I think he was referring more to the fact that ForGG should be credited with 3 big 2nd place finishes, not two.
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Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
May 14 2013 13:14 GMT
#31
Forgg slightly favored over TLO but not by much. Should be an interesting match for sure.
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
May 14 2013 15:25 GMT
#32
On May 14 2013 22:01 DavoS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 08:59 Otolia wrote:
On May 14 2013 08:30 prOpSnuffe wrote:
"ForGG has finished 2nd place at two big international tournaments, ESWC and Assembly Summer yet is still without a StarCraft tournament victory." Dreamhack Valencia doesn't count as a big international tournament?

He didn't win it. TaeJa did thus beginning the Summer of TaeJa. Overall ForGG is a nightmare for Millenium fans. He looks so strong sometimes but can lose stupidly in the next game. If stars align then the sky is the limit ...


I think he was referring more to the fact that ForGG should be credited with 3 big 2nd place finishes, not two.

He shouldn't though, Apollo screwed up, ForGG got 3rd place at ASUS ROG and 2nd at ESWC and DH Valencia, it's still "only" two 2nd place finishes.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 14 2013 15:44 GMT
#33
If I don't vote for TLO, he'll make it for sure.

Go not TLO!
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
May 14 2013 15:51 GMT
#34
On May 14 2013 22:14 Thor.Rush wrote:
Forgg slightly favored over TLO but not by much. Should be an interesting match for sure.


TLO has had ForGG's number for quite some time now.

That being said, I've become a ForGG fan all over again watching the showmethemsl vods. Definitely hope he pulls through.
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sertman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States540 Posts
May 14 2013 21:43 GMT
#35
my favorite thing about this whole thread is how everyone makes fun of people who call TLO creative and then he gets out of his group by being creative
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 14 2013 21:48 GMT
#36
On May 14 2013 18:19 iNcontroL wrote:
kinda funny using that strelok picture btw.. he lost a TON of weight and looks a lot different than that atm

wow I hadnt seen him in a long time and when he was on stream it was like a completely different person almost
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 15 2013 06:41 GMT
#37
On May 15 2013 06:43 sertman wrote:
my favorite thing about this whole thread is how everyone makes fun of people who call TLO creative and then he gets out of his group by being creative

I came back to this blog the moment I watched his games, lol...
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 15 2013 06:46 GMT
#38
On May 15 2013 06:43 sertman wrote:
my favorite thing about this whole thread is how everyone makes fun of people who call TLO creative and then he gets out of his group by being creative


How was TLO creative? The only thing he did that was uncommon, was a swarmhost drop that didn't win him the game. The early spire and the damage done from it was key. He could have continued a complete standard game and still would be very good in there.

Other than that, I saw 3 solid games vs forGG... so :x yeah
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
May 15 2013 06:46 GMT
#39
Where can I find the vods for this?
Thanks
Have a nice day ;)
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
May 15 2013 07:10 GMT
#40
On May 15 2013 15:46 Dumbledore wrote:
Where can I find the vods for this?
Thanks


On their regular twitch stream page.
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