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Goodmourning
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States22 Posts
October 07 2012 03:16 GMT
#1
So I finally got a Beta key in this last round. :D I am really stoked to say the least. I have played for a while and tried to get use to playing with toss. Toss is just so weak in this game so far. I think its really sad. They have some good things and some bad.

For now I am just playing as the other races and seeing what people do vs me as toss to get an idea of what works and what doesn't. I wish Liquidpedia had a space for HOTS already. It would be really nice.

Anyways thats all I have to say for now, I hope more people will get keys and such. Hopefully I get better with the new units and such. I guess Ill just have to keep playing and figure it out.

GoodMourning

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tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
October 07 2012 03:20 GMT
#2
Congrats man enjoy! Toss is pretty strong, you're probably just unfamiliar with it and the race seems overwhelmingly bad because of that!
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
October 07 2012 04:50 GMT
#3
I have about 20 games in the beta and Toss is easily the most un-changed race in the game The mothership core is a nice addition for pvp but it doesn't make a huge difference in PvT or PvZ with the health nerf and the fact every spell costs 100 energy. I have used the oracle 2 times and both times I was extremely underwhelmed it's 3 food and sucks I should try the other races as well but I am in the same boat as your goodmourning.
I am Godzilla You are Japan
boomudead1
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States186 Posts
October 07 2012 07:48 GMT
#4
still no beta : /
followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1451 Posts
October 07 2012 11:04 GMT
#5
On October 07 2012 13:50 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I have about 20 games in the beta and Toss is easily the most un-changed race in the game The mothership core is a nice addition for pvp but it doesn't make a huge difference in PvT or PvZ with the health nerf and the fact every spell costs 100 energy. I have used the oracle 2 times and both times I was extremely underwhelmed it's 3 food and sucks I should try the other races as well but I am in the same boat as your goodmourning.


How protoss can be most unchaged race when Terran's have only 1 new unit if I remember good?
Goodmourning
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States22 Posts
October 10 2012 00:11 GMT
#6
When terran only has to make widow mines it doesn't really matter what toss brings to the table, they will still lose.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
October 10 2012 00:24 GMT
#7
On October 07 2012 13:50 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
I have about 20 games in the beta and Toss is easily the most un-changed race in the game The mothership core is a nice addition for pvp but it doesn't make a huge difference in PvT or PvZ with the health nerf and the fact every spell costs 100 energy. I have used the oracle 2 times and both times I was extremely underwhelmed it's 3 food and sucks I should try the other races as well but I am in the same boat as your goodmourning.


Umm... no. MSC makes a MASSIVE difference in PvZ because you can pressure early and almost always deny a fast third base. Also energize is really good for mass chronos on upgrades and sentry energy to make all ins even stronger.
The oracle is actually a really good investment if you know how to use it and your mechanics are strong. Mineral shields are great for stopping Zerg income. Even if they are up for only 10 seconds its pretty worth it :p You can usually get them 30 seconds or longer if you manage to cast entomb during an engagement
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