EPTHeroin part 4: My Dealers - Page 2
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DONTPANIC
United States340 Posts
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
But saying that you are powerless to quit (and btw, that is EXACTLY what these groups tell you), and that you HAVE to rely on someone else (usually indicated as a higher power) in order to quit - whilst it may work for some people, is almost certainly a lie Traditionally (and more rather, realistically) when people quit things, it's a gradual process. Very few people quit something instantly in one go, usually you have the intention to quit, then you do it less, and you might have some relapses, and then you'll do it less and less and slowly wean it out of your system. This is not something i've just made up, but this is actually exactly the words i've gotten from multiple psychologists dealing with this (hearsay, yes i know) and my own problems. Unfortunately many "systems" out there convince you that you have to go cold turkey or nothing, or that there is nothing you can do yourself, and they lead to the case where the person feels guilty and beats himself up for not being able to hold himself to the highest, perfect standard which is given to him ---- Of course, this is just what i've been taught and my opinion. I have no doubt that any support group of any kind would be beneficial for a whole load of reasons (contact with people in a similar situations, examples of people who have done it etc. etc.) | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32135 Posts
it's almost impossible to go clean on your own. like, recovery rates for opiate addictions by lockin yourself in a room is around 5% or something insanely low. please don't listen to brtarolg. He is stupid and naive, and probably has never known anyone hooked on dope otherwise he wouldnt be spouting such dumb shit. with professional help, if you stay sober for a year, the chances of staying clean go as high as about 70%. cost is the prohibitive factor obviously, and there is still the issue of finding a rehab center that is good instead of a place that just dishes out more suboxxon, but it really is the only way to get truly clean. NA is good, but by itself, it isn't enough. it's not professionals. you need a detox and a rehab followed by outpatient services to break the behavioral and psychologal patterns otherwise you're ultimately gonna bump into a trigger that will have you heading towards the hood for a fix. shit, even just popping benzos or other medicine cabinet opioids is gonna have you on the fast track back to heroin real fast once you start spending way too much money on that and start looking for much cheaper and stronger heroin. | ||
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UltimateHurl
Ireland591 Posts
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DONTPANIC
United States340 Posts
On June 07 2012 23:47 BrTarolg wrote: Never said anything was easy But saying that you are powerless to quit (and btw, that is EXACTLY what these groups tell you), and that you HAVE to rely on someone else (usually indicated as a higher power) in order to quit - whilst it may work for some people, is almost certainly a lie Traditionally (and more rather, realistically) when people quit things, it's a gradual process. Very few people quit something instantly in one go, usually you have the intention to quit, then you do it less, and you might have some relapses, and then you'll do it less and less and slowly wean it out of your system. This is not something i've just made up, but this is actually exactly the words i've gotten from multiple psychologists dealing with this (hearsay, yes i know) and my own problems. Unfortunately many "systems" out there convince you that you have to go cold turkey or nothing, or that there is nothing you can do yourself, and they lead to the case where the person feels guilty and beats himself up for not being able to hold himself to the highest, perfect standard which is given to him ---- Of course, this is just what i've been taught and my opinion. I have no doubt that any support group of any kind would be beneficial for a whole load of reasons (contact with people in a similar situations, examples of people who have done it etc. etc.) On the subject of "higher power". There are a lot of Athiests at NA. Some people choose a god. Others see "Higher Power" as the community that surrounds them. The other addicts that are there to help. I do know that rehab is how Heather initially got clean. NA is how people learn to stay clean. | ||
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