• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 19:29
CET 01:29
KST 09:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies1ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1573 users

Terran Breakthrough--You can do it too!

Blogs > Mr. Black
Post a Reply
Mr. Black
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
April 17 2012 17:46 GMT
#1
Background

I switched to Terran over the New Year holiday. I was a gold Zerg. I lost my placements intentionally but ended up in Silver. At one point (beginning of season 6) I was gold for a while, but when I stopped doing my standard builds and started experimenting, I got demoted, and stayed silver. My goal was always to play a macro style, from the beginning. My builds were:

TvT: 1 rax expo into marine tank
TvP: 1 rax expo into 3 rax w/ upgrades and medivacs
TvZ: Reactor hellion expo into marine tank

Despite playing quite a bit for a casual player, I was not really progressing. I would play well and have a good streak, and follow it with a long losing streak. I was losing to a lot of 1 base tank pushes, 1 base colossus or dt or immortal builds. When I would go late game against P or Z I would lose. In fact, until recently, the only games I was reliably winning were TvTs in which the other guy expanded like I did.

From a Rabbit Hole to a Rededication

My frustrations led me to switch builds. As shameful as it is, I started 3 raxing against T and P. I was winning a lot more, but the games were unsatisfying. I would either waltz into a poorly defended base and immediately destroy, or I would lose to something like DT, cloaked banshee, void ray or, just a good standard defense. The wins and losses felt equally like flips of a coin.

I was looking for a good "pressure" build against zerg when CecilSunkure posted about poor macro in the low leagues ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326528 ). Having closely studied Cecil's earlier posts (mainly the guide on improving--IMO required reading for players who take the game seriously-- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208343 ) I already knew and respected the guy.

I decided to rededicate myself to macro as I understood it. Fast expos, lots of workers, win by out producing. I went back to losing.

Breakthrough with Benchmarks

Then I watched filtersc's Terran Bronze to Masters tutorials (on youtube). These tutorials teach you how to play a macro game from the ground up. Conceptually there is nothing there I didn't already know--constantly produce workers, don't get supply blocked, constantly build out of production structures. I've heard all these from Cecil, Day[9] and numerous other SC2 experts before.

There are two things that filter has done that resonated with me. First, he demonstrates his point (that macro is of prime importance) by winning using a basic, barebones strategy that eliminates high-level tasks like microing units and scouting. He basically handicaps all the aspects of his play besides building scvs, depots, basic tech and units. This has all been done before, but what really tied it together for me is the easy benchmarks.

Filter's most fundamental benchmark is 50 SCVs at 10 minutes. As he progresses through the leagues, he adds new benchmarks to address added complexities to the game. At bronze it's just SCVs, marines and depots. At silver he adds stim and medivacs. At gold, +1 attack and combat shields, plus minor gas management (building marines instead of marauders when gas needed for other things). As the leagues progress, filter adds timing benchmarks, but in each case, you need 50 scvs at 10 minutes.

I opened up YABOT and practiced until I could hit most of the benchmarks without struggling. Since I hit the ladder I have had amazing success. I'm crushing. Right now I'm playing only golds and plats. After each game I review the replay looking for very specific things to determine how well I am executing. For the first time I am refining my spending down to the 10s of minerals, and my building placement to within a few seconds.

Conclusion

Any low level player, especially ones who argued on the "importance of strategy in the lower leagues" ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327342 ) that macro is not the single most important aspect of success should watch the videos and follow the instructions. If you can hit the benchmarks, you will start rising up the ladder immediately.

I'm not affiliated with filter ( http://www.youtube.com/user/filtersc ). I'm just happy that someone was able to get what should be a basic message past my brain and into my game. I have a long way to go to reach my goals, but right now I feel like I am definitely on track.

You can get on track too. GLHF

*****
Make more anything.
SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
April 17 2012 18:13 GMT
#2
This is what I needed :D
Who needs players when you have God?
BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
April 17 2012 18:28 GMT
#3
On April 18 2012 03:13 madmandrit wrote:
This is what I needed :D


Nice blog. I like reading stories like this. I've not thrown any games personally, but whatever works to take the pressure off.

In addition to Yabot, I really have to recommend the 1.18 GTAI practice bots. Set it to easy, pick a random opponent, or select the computers build. It can be really handy for things you are having problems with. I think each race has about 18 play styles/openings.

For instance I know last week I had it cannon rush me at least 10 games in a row on all the ladder maps. Excellent for ironing out reactions and getting better game sense to how many different ways you can solve the same problem. I snuck it on my practice partner. It beat him. The next day looking through his match history to see how he was doing, ya know. He had his other buddy play it. It beat him too. Fun stuff GL HF
I used to like trumpets, now I prefer pause. "Don't move a muscle JP!"
CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
April 17 2012 18:29 GMT
#4
Huh, I will be sure to check this out when I get home today. To anyone who feels like they are on top of these kind of things though, another YouTuber who I HIGHLY recommend for Terran players is HalbyStarCraft. He also is very strong about things like timings and benchmarks. He is very analytical and can really change your perspective on the game.

No I am not affiliated with him in anyway, just want to spread the brotherly Terran love.
youtube.com/GamingCyDe-- My totally abandoned youtube channel that I might revisit at some point
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
April 17 2012 18:32 GMT
#5
Don't really have anything to add but wanted to thank you for the blog post. Was nice to read, and grats on your improvement!
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
SafeWord
Profile Joined February 2010
United States522 Posts
April 17 2012 18:44 GMT
#6
Any for protoss :D? I have watched dapollos videos.
Who needs players when you have God?
Mr. Black
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
April 17 2012 20:19 GMT
#7
I've watched Halby and I like him too, but he focuses on 1 base timings before expanding, mainly.

What I have always wanted to do is macro, and it is refreshing to see major improvement after a period of stagnation.
Make more anything.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
April 17 2012 20:32 GMT
#8
On April 18 2012 05:19 Mr. Black wrote:
I've watched Halby and I like him too, but he focuses on 1 base timings before expanding, mainly.

What I have always wanted to do is macro, and it is refreshing to see major improvement after a period of stagnation.

Really? I did Halby's mineral drill, which is pretty similar to the vids you've posted, but the only difference is that Halby says to keep expanding whenever you have cash saved up and to attack at 200/200 (~13-14 minutes) instead of at 10 minutes.

One thing that actually helped me when I started is the fact that I literally can't micro because my computer futzes up and lags like crazy after 5 minutes of play even with everything on low, so all I can do is a-move anyways.
Mr. Black
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
April 17 2012 23:02 GMT
#9
On April 18 2012 05:32 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 05:19 Mr. Black wrote:
I've watched Halby and I like him too, but he focuses on 1 base timings before expanding, mainly.

What I have always wanted to do is macro, and it is refreshing to see major improvement after a period of stagnation.

Really? I did Halby's mineral drill, which is pretty similar to the vids you've posted, but the only difference is that Halby says to keep expanding whenever you have cash saved up and to attack at 200/200 (~13-14 minutes) instead of at 10 minutes.

One thing that actually helped me when I started is the fact that I literally can't micro because my computer futzes up and lags like crazy after 5 minutes of play even with everything on low, so all I can do is a-move anyways.


Halby plays a lot of styles (including macro), but he definitely focuses on aggressive builds that must do a lot of damage. That said, good macro is such an essential building block of any playstyle that even the most aggressive build needs good macro to win at a high level. Hell, I even posted a version of Halby's mineral drill (albeit minus the rampant queueing) as a macro exercise video in a previous blog--I've since seen a lot of his videos. However, I just don't identify as much with the style of using creative build orders to hit funky timings and win.

My aspiration is to be a player who plays one consistent, standard, economy focused style for each matchup and uses scouting and small adjustments to gain advantages (hence why I played zerg for so long). This is what I feel like I am finally progressing toward learning.

When I would work on macro before, I was always focused on maxing as quickly as possible. I actually think that is a less helpful benchmark than 50 scvs at 10:00 for a few reasons. First, because supply is generated by both workers and army units, different compositions will max at different times with equal execution, which makes the benchmark less helpful for learning. Second, if you are early or late to max, it could be due to lots of factors: missing workers or missing army units or supply block, or building timings and therefore more analysis is needed to determine where the problem lies. Third, it is easy to watch a replay through on 8x, and really satisfying to watch your ccs never stop making workers--if you see a gap, you can see how it affects the other specific benchmarks (expo, factory, etc.). Finally, in order to hit specific benchmarks you need to be precise--starting with 50 SCVs in 10:00 and knowing that that is going to be a foundation of every game you play lets you master the basics before adding elements to the style. It's like building a skill-set from the ground-up.

Because I have been playing for so long and improving various aspects of my play (I've played a ton of micro challenges and can split, stutter-step, push with marines and tanks better than most at my level) without seeing solid, concrete improvement at the rate I anticipated when I switched to T, making good progress in macro has given me a glimpse of a future in which I don't make posts like this one.

Make more anything.
LightMind
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore11 Posts
April 18 2012 00:04 GMT
#10
Wow I am currently in the same situation as the TS. Your blog really reflects how I am like in SC2 now.

Especially this paragraph.

Despite playing quite a bit for a casual player, I was not really progressing. I would play well and have a good streak, and follow it with a long losing streak. I was losing to a lot of 1 base tank pushes, 1 base colossus or dt or immortal builds. When I would go late game against P or Z I would lose. In fact, until recently, the only games I was reliably winning were TvTs in which the other guy expanded like I did.


Glad to see this post as I myself was in a losing streak yesterday. >,< winning only 2 out of my 10 games, and somehow losing to everything and anything.

Will try and give myself specific benchmarks to follow, and hopefully improve from there!
enigamI
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada385 Posts
April 18 2012 20:07 GMT
#11
Just wanted to bump this. I'm a high diamond terran and I saw improvement in my play by going through his tutorials. I love the way his money naturally dictates his build order.

By the end of the gold tutorials, you have an excellent barebones build that I use (with minor variation by matchup, techlab/reactor/reactor vs tech/tech/reactor) to the 10 minute mark in high diamond. I have beat masters with this build. That being said, I continue the build past 10 minutes into 3base+ play, and I don't neglect scouting. Point is, meeting the benchmarks he sets here will continue directly and without change into higher level play.
Mr. Black
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
April 18 2012 21:18 GMT
#12
Yeah, I already typically go into 3-base, unless the first push just outright wins.

I am looking forward to the scouting video--its already been posted but I don't have time yet. I already know the basics (saved chrono = 4gate) but I know this is an area that I could really improve on.

ALSO: Last night I got promoted to Gold and I'm presently playing mainly top 8 platinum players. I'm fired up!
Make more anything.
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
April 19 2012 08:44 GMT
#13
On April 19 2012 05:07 enigamI wrote:
Just wanted to bump this. I'm a high diamond terran and I saw improvement in my play by going through his tutorials. I love the way his money naturally dictates his build order.

By the end of the gold tutorials, you have an excellent barebones build that I use (with minor variation by matchup, techlab/reactor/reactor vs tech/tech/reactor) to the 10 minute mark in high diamond. I have beat masters with this build. That being said, I continue the build past 10 minutes into 3base+ play, and I don't neglect scouting. Point is, meeting the benchmarks he sets here will continue directly and without change into higher level play.


I've been watching fOrGG stream tonight, and he does this build almost exactly the same with techlab/reactor/reactor in TvT and techlab/techlab/reactor in TvP. Only major difference is that he starts stim (TvP) or shields (TvT) and +1 attack before factory instead of after, but it's essentially an identical build to what filter teaches. So yeah, Code S approved. It's not a build designed just for learning that you'll have to drop later like 3 raxing.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
Filter
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada620 Posts
April 23 2012 00:29 GMT
#14
That's really cool about fOGG, I saw Polt doing similar things today too in the dreamhack finals. Obviously it's just a very safe standard style of play that has a natural flow to it. The really inventive stuff is cool, but it banks too heavily on the opponent not understanding it to win.

This blog is really cool, you're pretty much the exact type of player I was aiming at Mr. Black. The ideas are hardly knew, but I wanted to create something that was really easy to follow made looking at replays quick and easy.

It's really good to see players not just improving, but really enjoying the game more.
Live hard, live free.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
April 23 2012 00:59 GMT
#15
I'm glad ppl are trying this out and posting about it.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1d 11h
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft420
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 626
910 65
Yoon 26
NaDa 21
Dota 2
syndereN960
monkeys_forever341
NeuroSwarm88
League of Legends
C9.Mang0173
Trikslyr57
Counter-Strike
summit1g7577
minikerr32
Other Games
Grubby3681
RotterdaM375
JimRising 192
Maynarde174
Mew2King77
Liquid`Ken5
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick737
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 55
• davetesta31
• HeavenSC 19
• Hupsaiya 13
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki9
• XenOsky 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22075
Other Games
• imaqtpie1983
• Scarra1651
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
1d 11h
Gerald vs YoungYakov
Spirit vs MaNa
SHIN vs Percival
Creator vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.