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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
March 02 2012 10:36 GMT
#1
fuck this game. tired of getting raped a thousand times and winning only 20 percent of my games. been playing for about 3 months now and I am starting question my accumulated knowledge that I have acquired so far. How come I never feel safe in this game? No matter how bad I beat him early game, I still have to play 100 percent or risk getting steamrolled. i swear this game is trying to kill me. one mistake and I can get fucked over. fuck storms and medics.

long live bw. time to go hit vods again, I thought I was past that stage but hell frigging no.

**
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
March 02 2012 10:40 GMT
#2
gotta keep at it man. whats your account?
Writer
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
March 02 2012 10:51 GMT
#3
Hey whats your account, we should practice! Do you have that replay pack of something like 500 pro replays? Whenever I'm stuck, I just load up those replays and look how the pro player reacts to it..very useful..and whats more it also encourages you to play more, it's a lot better than watching vods, cause you obviously get to see a lot more.
zOula...
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States898 Posts
March 02 2012 10:51 GMT
#4
Just remember man, in the scheme of things, 3 months is nothing. Even alot of casual players have been playing for years and years. Keep at it! Are you playing on iccup?
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
March 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#5
On March 02 2012 19:36 Golgotha wrote:
fuck this game. tired of getting raped a thousand times and winning only 20 percent of my games. been playing for about 3 months now and I am starting question my accumulated knowledge that I have acquired so far. How come I never feel safe in this game? No matter how bad I beat him early game, I still have to play 100 percent or risk getting steamrolled. i swear this game is trying to kill me. one mistake and I can get fucked over. fuck storms and medics.

long live bw. time to go hit vods again, I thought I was past that stage but hell frigging no.


Instead of making a blog post you should have post a replay of the games that you think "you were doing well in the early stage" and some how loses that advantage . There is something wrong if you can't capitalized the opportunity that you have created for your self . The lack of experience in finishing the game can be the cause of the factor, or you simply do not know how to out expand your opponent may be the cause of this .

Also How come I never feel safe in this game ? Well welcome to broodwar, your opponent isn't your friend, if they aren't killing you right now they are scheming something up to kill you at the later stage that's why you have to keep checking to gain intel on what your enemy is doing .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9758 Posts
March 02 2012 11:02 GMT
#6
You're probably not that bad at this. People are just too good.

And is your rank consistent? Because 20% ratio means you're dropping...
boomer hands
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
March 02 2012 11:05 GMT
#7
Yeah fuck protoss, in both games, retard friendly race bwabeabeaareag.

User was temp banned for this post.
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
March 02 2012 11:33 GMT
#8
Ive played this game for too long now, dont even care if i lose. The only time i actually get upset is when someone BMs me in the beginning of the game and then wins. And that happens very rarely (it did yesterday but besides for that...)
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24698 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 11:34:46
March 02 2012 11:34 GMT
#9
3 months isn't much when getting better at broodwar. It takes most people at least a year to get good enough not to embarrass themselves in my experience lololol
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AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2113 Posts
March 02 2012 11:46 GMT
#10
Its hard, I could barely hold off a few muta's let alone macro :S
John 15:13
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 02 2012 11:53 GMT
#11
Try to not be that hard on yourself.
You also play zerg if I'm not mistaken, and it's a race that requires a lot of experience because it's extremely reactionnary (not talking about zvz a match-up that has a feel of its own...). Especially zvt, terran can more or less do whatever he wants, and you have to be able to read and react properly to almost anything.
Personnally, at one point, without any apparent reason my winrate suddenly soared,and I got to D+ very fast.
And yeah, post a replay or two =)
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Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
March 02 2012 12:12 GMT
#12
Hang in there man, have some sick nerd cred xD
I think esports is pretty nice.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
March 02 2012 13:08 GMT
#13
On March 02 2012 19:36 Golgotha wrote:
long live bw. time to go hit vods again, I thought I was past that stage but hell frigging no.

I don't understand this.

No one is ever past this point.

Even Soulkey says that he watches JD vods and JD says that he watches Soulkey vods.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
March 02 2012 13:10 GMT
#14
On March 02 2012 20:34 micronesia wrote:
3 months isn't much when getting better at broodwar. It takes most people at least a year to get good enough not to embarrass themselves in my experience lololol


so true T_T
"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
March 02 2012 13:28 GMT
#15
Dont be that hard on yourself.

Zerg is the hardest race to play in SC:BW, due to the mechanics (no buildings group, unit groups of 12), imo. So props to you for playing Z.

Also, 3 months is nothing compared to the potential 15 years of experience people can have with this game... Obviously they will feel the game way easier than you do.
Resistance ain't futile
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 13:44:57
March 02 2012 13:44 GMT
#16
I wouldn't call Zerg the hardest race to play, Terran at the lower levels of BW is mechanically the hardest imo(espescially vP)

However each race is hard to play, BW is Hard, PvZ, ZvT, TvP are all hard, either way keep trying and you will find yourself improving. And you are never ever past the point where you need to watch vods or replays.

BW is hard to play and impossible to master.
WriterXiao8~~
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6637 Posts
March 02 2012 13:56 GMT
#17
Keep in mind that the majority of people you're playing against have probably been playing for years, I've been playing this game for over ten years and I still lose

Don't give up though, when you do start having some success it will be very satisfying.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 02 2012 13:59 GMT
#18
just make sure you're still having fun... i'm like 30% or worse this season i think, but playing any matchup and just trying out your own things is the best part of the game for me.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
March 02 2012 14:05 GMT
#19
As a P player I'm just going to say...

AWWW YEAH STORMS

=)
[TLMS] REBOOT
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
March 02 2012 14:12 GMT
#20
Keep it up man.

Sounds like you play Z, its probably the most frustrating (but also funnest) race in my experience. Just make sure you are having fun, don't be pressured to win too much, everyone is gosu on iccup.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
March 02 2012 14:14 GMT
#21
This all sounds pretty standard.
Also, terran is the hardest, but the game as a whole is hard. >.<

You have to admit though, that 20% of the time you win it feel great.
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 14:21:38
March 02 2012 14:20 GMT
#22
I really did not mean to start any of X is the hardest, it was more of a friendly comment toward a presumably Zerg user. (Also, don't let them fool you, Z is the hardest to play :>)

Edit : but really, please take my post as it is and don't flood this guy thread with this nonsense, BW is awesome and balanced
Resistance ain't futile
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 14:26:27
March 02 2012 14:25 GMT
#23
I've a 31% rate.

100% of the winning games I will burst in happiness.
50% of the games I lost I actually had so much fun that I don't mind losing.
The other 50% is a mix of raging vs Z in general and raging vs cheese.

Keep on.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 02 2012 14:35 GMT
#24
On March 02 2012 23:14 Warpath wrote:
This all sounds pretty standard.
Also, terran is the hardest, but the game as a whole is hard. >.<

You have to admit though, that 20% of the time you win it feel great.

This is also true, there is nothing like winning a very long game where you put so much Effort in(hue hue hue) in Brood War.
WriterXiao8~~
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
March 02 2012 14:59 GMT
#25
Recently I've been cheesing a lot and even if a 8rax or a 2 fact brings me the win, i end up crying in the shower.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 02 2012 16:27 GMT
#26
I don't understand the 20% win rate. It's probably the fact there is no ranking system to match you up against peoples. I'd say play some BGH 3v3 on US E.
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11583 Posts
March 02 2012 16:51 GMT
#27
I'm willing to coach anyone in BW with Terran/Protoss and I can coach any Zerg who is struggling at the D/D+ ranks. Just hit me up with a PM!
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 02 2012 17:24 GMT
#28
If u want free wins on iccup and/or fish I can probably hook you up. paypal?
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
March 02 2012 17:26 GMT
#29
3 months haha oh MAN. it only gets harder as you get better, too. this fucking game
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CoolManJones
Profile Joined October 2010
United States23 Posts
March 02 2012 19:47 GMT
#30
ive been playing this game since 2000 and i still suck. yesterday i played some guy, he seemed like a total noob, but i proved i was the bigger noob by not getting any upgrades and i died fast
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
March 02 2012 20:13 GMT
#31
Dude I wish my win rate was 20% after I had played for 3 months with Zerg. Lol mine was like 5%. I still suck at BW and play mostly SC2 now (sowwy sowwy) but BW is so much more fun, I had fun losing. I have never, ever had fun losing in SC2 in my entire time playing of over 1500 games.
I love crazymoving
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11583 Posts
March 02 2012 20:17 GMT
#32
The metagame is constantly changing at the high levels, and it constantly pisses me off. If you don't play for a week, you get so far behind and the things you did before that were really good, now are super bad. Anyone who says BW is figured out is just kidding themselves.
Calendar@ Fish Server: `iOps]..Stark
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 20:18:43
March 02 2012 20:17 GMT
#33
hey thanks guys for the encouraging words, it means a lot.

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2012 19:40 Kiante wrote:
gotta keep at it man. whats your account?


thanks man. I'm sGs.Bulma on ICCUP but I use Fish instead. I moved to a new Fish account because it hurt too much to see my win/loss ratio every time I logged in.

On March 02 2012 19:51 dartoo wrote:
Hey whats your account, we should practice! Do you have that replay pack of something like 500 pro replays? Whenever I'm stuck, I just load up those replays and look how the pro player reacts to it..very useful..and whats more it also encourages you to play more, it's a lot better than watching vods, cause you obviously get to see a lot more.


woah that’s nuts. where you find that? But how do you know which one’s to watch if you ever have a specific question about a certain build or scenario? So many replays.

On March 02 2012 19:51 zOula... wrote:
Just remember man, in the scheme of things, 3 months is nothing. Even alot of casual players have been playing for years and years. Keep at it! Are you playing on iccup?


I will keep at it! thanks man. I am on Fish playing random games on Fighting Spirit under the game name: 1;1 Fighting Spirit Only Rice Please (in korean of course).

On March 02 2012 19:54 Sawamura wrote:
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On March 02 2012 19:36 Golgotha wrote:
fuck this game. tired of getting raped a thousand times and winning only 20 percent of my games. been playing for about 3 months now and I am starting question my accumulated knowledge that I have acquired so far. How come I never feel safe in this game? No matter how bad I beat him early game, I still have to play 100 percent or risk getting steamrolled. i swear this game is trying to kill me. one mistake and I can get fucked over. fuck storms and medics.

long live bw. time to go hit vods again, I thought I was past that stage but hell frigging no.


Instead of making a blog post you should have post a replay of the games that you think "you were doing well in the early stage" and some how loses that advantage . There is something wrong if you can't capitalized the opportunity that you have created for your self . The lack of experience in finishing the game can be the cause of the factor, or you simply do not know how to out expand your opponent may be the cause of this .

Also How come I never feel safe in this game ? Well welcome to broodwar, your opponent isn't your friend, if they aren't killing you right now they are scheming something up to kill you at the later stage that's why you have to keep checking to gain intel on what your enemy is doing .


Good advice and yeah I should post more replays, it’s just that I feel showing my replays are a waste since my macro and micro is what is causing all the problems.

On March 02 2012 20:02 seRapH wrote:
You're probably not that bad at this. People are just too good.
And is your rank consistent? Because 20% ratio means you're dropping...


hahaha maybe I am super good but everyone is super super wtf awesome. I am inconsistent.

On March 02 2012 20:33 Skeggaba wrote:
Ive played this game for too long now, dont even care if i lose. The only time i actually get upset is when someone BMs me in the beginning of the game and then wins. And that happens very rarely (it did yesterday but besides for that...)


I get BM a lot but I always find it funny because my opponents are chobos just like me. Shouldn’t we be helping each other fight the higher ranks?!

On March 02 2012 20:34 micronesia wrote:
3 months isn't much when getting better at broodwar. It takes most people at least a year to get good enough not to embarrass themselves in my experience lololol


Feels like eternity.

On March 02 2012 20:46 PiPoGevy wrote:
Its hard, I could barely hold off a few muta's let alone macro :S


I can barely control my mutas.

On March 02 2012 20:53 corumjhaelen wrote:
Try to not be that hard on yourself.
You also play zerg if I'm not mistaken, and it's a race that requires a lot of experience because it's extremely reactionnary (not talking about zvz a match-up that has a feel of its own...). Especially zvt, terran can more or less do whatever he wants, and you have to be able to read and react properly to almost anything.
Personnally, at one point, without any apparent reason my winrate suddenly soared,and I got to D+ very fast.
And yeah, post a replay or two =)


so true, I find zerg is actually very defensive. toss is just balls out crazy offensive and terran can do both.

maybe I should switch races? nah, I like zerg. but maybe I should learn the other races to help me understand the game better?

On March 02 2012 21:12 Saechiis wrote:
Hang in there man, have some sick nerd cred xD


XD

On March 02 2012 22:08 Harem wrote:
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On March 02 2012 19:36 Golgotha wrote:
long live bw. time to go hit vods again, I thought I was past that stage but hell frigging no.

I don't understand this.

No one is ever past this point.

Even Soulkey says that he watches JD vods and JD says that he watches Soulkey vods.


I still watch vods on my ipod at night but when I first started playing I would take notes of every vod or replay (like listing the BO and events). I think I need to do that again to better understand ZvT.

On March 02 2012 22:28 Murlox wrote:
Dont be that hard on yourself.

Zerg is the hardest race to play in SC:BW, due to the mechanics (no buildings group, unit groups of 12), imo. So props to you for playing Z.

Also, 3 months is nothing compared to the potential 15 years of experience people can have with this game... Obviously they will feel the game way easier than you do.

Thanks a lot man.


On March 02 2012 22:44 Kipsate wrote:
I wouldn't call Zerg the hardest race to play, Terran at the lower levels of BW is mechanically the hardest imo(espescially vP)

However each race is hard to play, BW is Hard, PvZ, ZvT, TvP are all hard, either way keep trying and you will find yourself improving. And you are never ever past the point where you need to watch vods or replays.

BW is hard to play and impossible to master.


Indeed.


On March 02 2012 22:56 jello_biafra wrote:
Keep in mind that the majority of people you're playing against have probably been playing for years, I've been playing this game for over ten years and I still lose

Don't give up though, when you do start having some success it will be very satisfying.


Yes, I have realized that my opponents seem to make good decisions even though they might be slow in APM and bad at macro. They just have good reactions to what I am doing.

On March 02 2012 22:59 infinity2k9 wrote:
just make sure you're still having fun... i'm like 30% or worse this season i think, but playing any matchup and just trying out your own things is the best part of the game for me.


I hate to admit it...but even when I get spanked hard and I am yelling in pain...I like it.

On March 02 2012 23:05 OpticalShot wrote:
As a P player I'm just going to say...

AWWW YEAH STORMS

=)

storms fucking rule. im just being a hater. I realize that if toss didnt have storms they would just get rolled by hydra all day and erry day.

On March 02 2012 23:12 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Keep it up man.

Sounds like you play Z, its probably the most frustrating (but also funnest) race in my experience. Just make sure you are having fun, don't be pressured to win too much, everyone is gosu on iccup.


thanks man! yeah Z is just unlike any other race in the RTS scene, really captivating.


On March 02 2012 23:14 Warpath wrote:
This all sounds pretty standard.
Also, terran is the hardest, but the game as a whole is hard. >.<

You have to admit though, that 20% of the time you win it feel great.


It sure does lol.


On March 02 2012 23:25 fabiano wrote:
I've a 31% rate.

100% of the winning games I will burst in happiness.
50% of the games I lost I actually had so much fun that I don't mind losing.
The other 50% is a mix of raging vs Z in general and raging vs cheese.

Keep on.


Thanks Captain.

On March 02 2012 23:59 HeaDStrong wrote:
Recently I've been cheesing a lot and even if a 8rax or a 2 fact brings me the win, i end up crying in the shower.


this made me laugh out loud in class. hilarious and I hate 8 rax.

On March 03 2012 01:27 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I don't understand the 20% win rate. It's probably the fact there is no ranking system to match you up against peoples. I'd say play some BGH 3v3 on US E.


Official bnet is a joke. Everyone is hacking imo.

On March 03 2012 01:51 CaucasianAsian wrote:
I'm willing to coach anyone in BW with Terran/Protoss and I can coach any Zerg who is struggling at the D/D+ ranks. Just hit me up with a PM!


Hey I saw you cast Boxer vs Huk at IPL. Please do it again. Definitely going to take you up on your offer.

On March 03 2012 02:24 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
If u want free wins on iccup and/or fish I can probably hook you up. paypal?


hahaha

On March 03 2012 02:26 intrigue wrote:
3 months haha oh MAN. it only gets harder as you get better, too. this fucking game


Yup, it never gets easy.

On March 03 2012 05:13 Flonomenalz wrote:
Dude I wish my win rate was 20% after I had played for 3 months with Zerg. Lol mine was like 5%. I still suck at BW and play mostly SC2 now (sowwy sowwy) but BW is so much more fun, I had fun losing. I have never, ever had fun losing in SC2 in my entire time playing of over 1500 games.


we have the bw bug man
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 02 2012 20:24 GMT
#34
Hahaha, I love this game. Whenever I get drunk I'm like "I wanna play BW" but it's always always a bad idea. Last night I played an hour and a half long ZvT with my bladder bursting and I was like "OMG come on I am so much better than this guy" but my mind was not up for the task of breaking 20 siege tanks and 15 battle cruisers on a hill behind walls of buildings. In retrospect there's so many things I should have done, and that's always the funny part about BW for me. I never have trouble figuring out what I should have done after the game is over, it never feels like I just lost for no reason in a random dumb encounter.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10675 Posts
March 02 2012 20:28 GMT
#35
Don't get so down on yourself, 3 months is not a very long time. :D , in a month or two you will look back and see how much you have improved, and still even then 5-6 months isn't that long either, so if you made it this far keep going!
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
March 02 2012 20:31 GMT
#36
Whats your account and what is your rank? You play on ICCUP?

What you are saying is very true, you can't slack off during a game because on small mistake can be devastating.

STORM DROPS /w speed shuttle SOO GOOD !!!!
Brood War is forever
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
March 02 2012 22:40 GMT
#37
On March 03 2012 02:26 intrigue wrote:
3 months haha oh MAN. it only gets harder as you get better, too. this fucking game


inb4 Koll calls everyone here bad.
I'm an old man now
ZeKk
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sweden320 Posts
March 02 2012 22:50 GMT
#38
On March 03 2012 07:40 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
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On March 03 2012 02:26 intrigue wrote:
3 months haha oh MAN. it only gets harder as you get better, too. this fucking game


inb4 Koll calls everyone here bad.


??
Servius_Fulvius
Profile Joined August 2009
United States947 Posts
March 02 2012 23:37 GMT
#39
On March 02 2012 19:36 Golgotha wrote:
been playing for about 3 months now and I am starting question my accumulated knowledge that I have acquired so far.


Sounds like BW!

It took me about 3 months just to learn how to LEARN about the game. Let's not forget the large amounts of "conditioning" (practicing strategy, macro, and mechanics) that are also necessary. This game can be an enormous time-sink. If you want to be even C level you'll need probably a good year's worth of practice. Ok, maybe not a year, but it's going to take a long time. All the while you're going to be destroyed in more ways than you can number. Learn from it and use it to get better!
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
March 02 2012 23:39 GMT
#40
On March 03 2012 07:50 ZeKk wrote:
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On March 03 2012 07:40 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On March 03 2012 02:26 intrigue wrote:
3 months haha oh MAN. it only gets harder as you get better, too. this fucking game


inb4 Koll calls everyone here bad.


??


Supposedly he got B in 3 months.
I'm an old man now
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March 03 2012 00:08 GMT
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Try for another 5 years and see if you get better. 3mnths is nothing.
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