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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
December 04 2011 13:23 GMT
#21
On December 04 2011 21:55 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 21:38 Newbistic wrote:
On December 04 2011 21:09 tdt wrote:
Meh everybody dies. If they decide to check out early who am I to disagree? No one. I am just commenting that it helps us when the do. There are plenty of peer reviewed economic and medical journals which say as much. smoking is a net benefit to societies with social welfare


Well by that logic Snet's dream charity is even worse because it's helping starving people in third world nations, who are contributing to the world's rising population crisis?

I've got an idea for a charity. We have healthy old people and the poor trade their food and medicine for firearms. Then they can all shoot each other (to death, mind you, wounded would just clog the health system). Helps clear out those healthy old people and the ghettos all in one go. The food and medicine can go to us healthy, young, middle classed who need it most.

I don't agree with the premise of a world population crisis and definitly don't condone murder. Just love liberty. Financial.Sexual. Religious. Smoking whatever and op's idea are an enemy to liberty.


Liberty is a natural state before someone takes it from you. Taxes take it from you. Telling you can't kill yourself with cigarettes take it from you. etc. Obviously murder robs you of liberty.


It's amazing you can talk about liberty and "natural states" sitting comfortably warm in front of your computer while OP is talking about helping people starving to death elsewhere... People should have the liberty to do what they want, except when they're born elsewhere in a place screwed over by historical events, then they're fucked and can just go die, right?

OP isn't talking about making a law to force smokers to trade their cigarette money for charity. She's talking about an optional charity where smokers who wish to quit can potentially donate their dollars to a beneficial cause. That's not a terrible idea at all.

Your opinion on this thread seems to be that most smokers seem to prefer their cigarette money for cigarettes rather than other things, therefore the charity wouldn't work. You could have said that in exactly as many words. Instead, you talk about how people should be "encouraging smoking" (because that's wayyyy better than a charity to help starving people) and try to sound smart dropping a couple of Rousseau references that you've been mouth fed by some philosophy class in college. That's how you invalidated your argument.
Logic is Overrated
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
December 04 2011 13:52 GMT
#22
Or they could not buy a pack and get 7 dollars to feed their stomachs o:

There needs to be some sort of incentive, unfortunately.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
December 04 2011 16:29 GMT
#23
On December 04 2011 22:23 Newbistic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 21:55 tdt wrote:
On December 04 2011 21:38 Newbistic wrote:
On December 04 2011 21:09 tdt wrote:
Meh everybody dies. If they decide to check out early who am I to disagree? No one. I am just commenting that it helps us when the do. There are plenty of peer reviewed economic and medical journals which say as much. smoking is a net benefit to societies with social welfare


Well by that logic Snet's dream charity is even worse because it's helping starving people in third world nations, who are contributing to the world's rising population crisis?

I've got an idea for a charity. We have healthy old people and the poor trade their food and medicine for firearms. Then they can all shoot each other (to death, mind you, wounded would just clog the health system). Helps clear out those healthy old people and the ghettos all in one go. The food and medicine can go to us healthy, young, middle classed who need it most.

I don't agree with the premise of a world population crisis and definitly don't condone murder. Just love liberty. Financial.Sexual. Religious. Smoking whatever and op's idea are an enemy to liberty.


Liberty is a natural state before someone takes it from you. Taxes take it from you. Telling you can't kill yourself with cigarettes take it from you. etc. Obviously murder robs you of liberty.


It's amazing you can talk about liberty and "natural states" sitting comfortably warm in front of your computer while OP is talking about helping people starving to death elsewhere... People should have the liberty to do what they want, except when they're born elsewhere in a place screwed over by historical events, then they're fucked and can just go die, right?

OP isn't talking about making a law to force smokers to trade their cigarette money for charity. She's talking about an optional charity where smokers who wish to quit can potentially donate their dollars to a beneficial cause. That's not a terrible idea at all.

Your opinion on this thread seems to be that most smokers seem to prefer their cigarette money for cigarettes rather than other things, therefore the charity wouldn't work. You could have said that in exactly as many words. Instead, you talk about how people should be "encouraging smoking" (because that's wayyyy better than a charity to help starving people) and try to sound smart dropping a couple of Rousseau references that you've been mouth fed by some philosophy class in college. That's how you invalidated your argument.


Your ignorance is astounding, how do you know his living conditions and financial status.
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