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so im not the most active user on team liquid in the sense of posting constantly but i do like to browse the forums relatively regularly. every once in forever you i work up to nerve to make a post but ususally im just a watcher but there is one thing that ive noticed almost consistantly. immediately following most OPs, there is usually some kind of troll.
now these come in many shapes and sizes. there is your good old fashioned demeaning troll.
he sticks to the tried and true methods like saying you suck or dont have a life or whatever.
then there is the one liner troll. he'll deal out that sage advice such as..... scout....or.....macro. is it true? well yeah but does it help....NO!
you have the troll troll.....this guy is the crusader of the weak and destroyer of any unwise enough to incure his wrath. he sees some troll being stupid and instead of leaving it to the mods, decides that it is his divine destiny to put that punk in his place. well-meaning, probably. the only problem is that the back and forth bm fest that ensues totally destroys the post and may even get it closed.
my personal favorite is the random other game troll. this special breed of idoit pops into a starcraft site full of starcraft players just to say: "starcraft sucks go play halo" normally this only gets a temp ban or such, which i would say is too lenient for being that brainless but i guess someone needs to be merciful.
there is a sub category of troll that exists. they are called the search tool troll. whenever a question arises that they deem to cliche they bm about how the poster is dumb and needs to quit wasting everyone's time and search. they are kind of the elitist of the forum world. now dont get me wrong, if someone is asking a question like need help with what is a good mech build or something that is easily searchable, then by all means use the search. but most of the time these posts are made asking for help with specific replays and cant be answered by someone elses post. i personally dont see the reason why someone took the time to say they dont have to time to answer a question. now i should add that some are a little more clever saying they are putting up the answer in the form of a link to the search page. this one always makes me laugh... :D
there are lots of other troll types, the ones that question your ladder standing, the insta-tech switch troll, etc etc. this could just go on and on from me. but im done raging on trollers for the time being. now you guys get to join in the fun. are there any special trolls that you guys love to hate or hate to love?....do you have any special instances that are funny?
 
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Trolls are the vigilantes of the internet. Some fight for good. Some fight for evil. Most are questionable.
The weak and simple ones are banned off young.
The best make pretty good mods, come to think of it.
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On August 08 2011 17:04 Dfgj wrote:
Trolls are the vigilantes of the internet. Some fight for good. Some fight for evil. Most are questionable.
The weak and simple ones are banned off young.
The best make pretty good mods, come to think of it.
so i am definitely thinking of making this my new slogan.....about the best statement ever....i am truly laughing out loud.
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On trolls: The weak and simple ones are banned off young; the best make pretty good mods.
- Dfgj
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Hot_Bid would like to have a word with you, good sir.
+ Show Spoiler + It would seem that Hot_Bid is both a troll and a great admin.
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none of those people are trolls
terrible posters? yes.
trolls? no.
being stupid or annoying isn't trolling.
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way.
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There are no such things as "trolls" and your referring to good honest people as "trolls" indicates a certain intolerance toward differing viewpoints. This troubles me.
People are uniformly and universally honest and genuine on the internet. I think you should just learn to be more accepting of these different viewpoints and love your fellow man.
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come on there has to be at least one good troll story...i mean hot bid doesnt count...everyone knows he's slightly trollish....but at least he's funny when he does it...:D
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On August 08 2011 17:26 Gummy wrote:
There are no such things as "trolls" and your referring to good honest people as "trolls" indicates a certain intolerance toward differing viewpoints. This troubles me.
People are uniformly and universally honest and genuine on the internet. I think you should just learn to be more accepting of these different viewpoints and love your fellow man.
i do like the sarcasm....lol
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On August 08 2011 17:17 AzTec wrote:
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way.
hello, this is the definition of troll.
Sonnhard.
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Embrace the internet, and learn to back off a step. Besides, by today's standards (if there are any...), it's really hard to tell whether you're being trolled or not. Sometimes others will tell you that you're trolling although you didn't mean to. At other times trolls will countertroll another troll and as you said, derailment ensues.
In all cases, unless you're really involved in the discussion/debate, just have a laugh and move on.
TL staff/mods usually do a good job keeping this place sane but fun.
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Cool thread. Will read again.
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I prefer the notion that the TL mods have only left the masterful, subtle--yet effective trolls left standing. I think you're overreacting.
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Calgary25986 Posts
I barely notice any of your examples on TL, especially the last one.
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On August 08 2011 17:26 Gummy wrote:
There are no such things as "trolls" and your referring to good honest people as "trolls" indicates a certain intolerance toward differing viewpoints. This troubles me.
People are uniformly and universally honest and genuine on the internet. I think you should just learn to be more accepting of these different viewpoints and love your fellow man.
Hahaha man you're so funny.
I don't really notice any trolls around on TL. There may be some, but mostly stupid posts that get cleaned up by admins. But for the most part I haven't spotted a good genuine troll anywhere around team liquid.
Or maybe I haven't been browsing around enough.
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to be honest, when i was writing this i was looking for some specific examples and could only find like 1. but i had a memory of a bunch of these type. and once the creative juices start flowing you cant stop them....even if there is a giant lack of evidence....:D....i was having too much fun writing it
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If you're into being creative, write a post about how racist balance whines are.
If it's not okay to say that white people are stronger and more mineral efficient than black people, why is it okay to say the same thing about Zerg or Protoss?
Overlords have feelings too.
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i find this thread highly offensive
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your Country52797 Posts
I have the feeling the OP is trolling us.
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there is a sub category of troll that exists. they are called the search tool troll. whenever a question arises that they deem to cliche they bm about how the poster is dumb and needs to quit wasting everyone's time and search. they are kind of the elitist of the forum world.
wtf?
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On August 09 2011 12:00 TehTemplar wrote:
I have the feeling the OP is trolling us.
heh heh heh.....but really i dont think thats possible....i might try that idea about balance racism though a twist on that idea....
oh and what snuggles said...that admins really do a good job and when there are instances of trolls they take care of it....as much as we tease them they are first class.....even hot bid and chill....:D
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On August 08 2011 17:26 Gummy wrote:
There are no such things as "trolls" and your referring to good honest people as "trolls" indicates a certain intolerance toward differing viewpoints. This troubles me.
People are uniformly and universally honest and genuine on the internet. I think you should just learn to be more accepting of these different viewpoints and love your fellow man.
Troll Mastah Gummy, i've missed you
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On August 08 2011 17:09 Gummy wrote:Hot_Bid would like to have a word with you, good sir. + Show Spoiler + It would seem that Hot_Bid is both a troll and a great admin.
hot_bid <3
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OP should check out /b/ -- that's the real bridge under which the trolls live.
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People think I'm a troll when I fervently hold a moral position... I hate that I'm expected to handle every argument like someone who wears a monocle.
Life is full of important things and when you defend a position you care about, "the Internet" frowns upon you. It's the whole "umad" culture which dictates that if you don't care, you autowin. It's easy for trash to call me a troll when I care.
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On August 08 2011 23:55 Chill wrote:
I barely notice any of your examples on TL, especially the last one.
Yeah, I strangely do not notice many of these examples :[]
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I've seen a lot less trolls in TL than in other communities, actually. Here, when, they get too out of line, a mod slaps them pretty quickly.
They're usually actually somewhat funny, too.
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On August 09 2011 15:43 .Aar wrote:
I've seen a lot less trolls in TL than in other communities, actually. Here, when, they get too out of line, a mod slaps them pretty quickly.
They're usually actually somewhat funny, too.
HAHA yeah, I'll see something and go "PFFTTTTTT" or "EHEH", and almost go "awww" when the troll gets banned/temped.
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Trolling is a art of saying something which another person feels is so wrong that he has to share his viewpoints very basicly.
It's incredibly easy to troll things like justin.tv chats, by going "lol gm na plat korea" in Destiny's chatroom when he was ladder locked in korea, because this will trigger 10 people to tell you ladder is locked and he's still fighting master players, ofcourse you can't do this anymore, but you usually get some reactions if you go balance whine.
There's 2 kind of trolls, i'll user balance whine as an example:
"infestoer so fcking imbalanced kil every terran unit n 2 fungals blizz neds to wake up n nerf that shit"
"Ever since the infestor buff, every graph has shown zerg dominating terrans in high levels, zergs were already winning most GSL's and then blizzard decides to buff them, zergs are fucking whiners and protoss and terran needs to step up and say something before every tournament is 100% zerg, so smart to make a unit which kills everything cheap with fungal and takes everything expensive with neural parasite"
Different kind of people will respond to different kind of trolls, ofcourse you have to take care not to sound too obvious, or people will discard you as a troll, the above examples are not terribly good, as usually you need to respond to something when trolling, and above all, trigger people to respond, remember dear trolls, the goal is to grab as much negative attention as possible.
If you want to troll teamliquid just write "wow mma new bonjwa" if he wins or something, or "holy shit mma for bonjaw trio with mvp & mc", it'll get some ol' sc1 folks riled up.
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Trolling is... given far too much attention on TL. There are almost more threads and posts about (and accusing people of trolling as a part of the "argument") it than there is actual trolling.
Let the mods handle it and let it go. -_-
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On August 08 2011 17:17 AzTec wrote:
none of those people are trolls
terrible posters? yes.
trolls? no.
being stupid or annoying isn't trolling.
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way.
Being stupid and annoying is trolling though
you should probably look up trolling before making an absurd statement like that.
No joke
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On August 09 2011 21:51 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 17:17 AzTec wrote:
none of those people are trolls
terrible posters? yes.
trolls? no.
being stupid or annoying isn't trolling.
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way. Being stupid and annoying is trolling though you should probably look up trolling before making an absurd statement like that. No joke
Depends on intent. If you're genuinely stupid and annoying and not acting that way to fish for a response, you're not trolling.
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On August 09 2011 22:39 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 21:51 arb wrote:On August 08 2011 17:17 AzTec wrote:
none of those people are trolls
terrible posters? yes.
trolls? no.
being stupid or annoying isn't trolling.
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way. Being stupid and annoying is trolling though you should probably look up trolling before making an absurd statement like that. No joke Depends on intent. If you're genuinely stupid and annoying and not acting that way to fish for a response, you're not trolling.
Intent doesnt even matter though
Id consider genuine stupid/annoying people some of the best trolls
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On August 09 2011 23:24 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 22:39 Dfgj wrote:On August 09 2011 21:51 arb wrote:On August 08 2011 17:17 AzTec wrote:
none of those people are trolls
terrible posters? yes.
trolls? no.
being stupid or annoying isn't trolling.
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way. Being stupid and annoying is trolling though you should probably look up trolling before making an absurd statement like that. No joke Depends on intent. If you're genuinely stupid and annoying and not acting that way to fish for a response, you're not trolling. Intent doesnt even matter though Id consider genuine stupid/annoying people some of the best trolls
nono
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130403
If you're not intentionally trying to 'catch' someone on your trollbait, you're not trolling. You're just being exasperating - hence why people often backpedal to 'LOL I WAS JUST TROLLING' after being called out for idiocy. It implies you're putting on an act to bait.
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On August 10 2011 00:27 Dfgj wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130403If you're not intentionally trying to 'catch' someone on your trollbait, you're not trolling. You're just being exasperating - hence why people often backpedal to 'LOL I WAS JUST TROLLING' after being called out for idiocy. It implies you're putting on an act to bait.
I thought of that post when I saw this one. Glad someone beat me to the punch!
On August 08 2011 16:50 iamamish wrote:
now these come in many shapes and sizes. there is your good old fashioned demeaning troll.
he sticks to the tried and true methods like saying you suck or dont have a life or whatever.
Doing something like this gets you banned pretty quick.
then there is the one liner troll. he'll deal out that sage advice such as..... scout....or.....macro. is it true? well yeah but does it help....NO!
Not a troll. "scout" and "macro" is sound advice, though admittedly they could go into more detail since the poster probably doesn't know how to practice this.
you have the troll troll.....this guy is the crusader of the weak and destroyer of any unwise enough to incure his wrath. he sees some troll being stupid and instead of leaving it to the mods, decides that it is his divine destiny to put that punk in his place. well-meaning, probably. the only problem is that the back and forth bm fest that ensues totally destroys the post and may even get it closed.
Since when is backseat moderating trolling?
my personal favorite is the random other game troll. this special breed of idoit pops into a starcraft site full of starcraft players just to say: "starcraft sucks go play halo" normally this only gets a temp ban or such, which i would say is too lenient for being that brainless but i guess someone needs to be merciful.
Banned. Next.
there is a sub category of troll that exists. they are called the search tool troll. whenever a question arises that they deem to cliche they bm about how the poster is dumb and needs to quit wasting everyone's time and search. they are kind of the elitist of the forum world. now dont get me wrong, if someone is asking a question like need help with what is a good mech build or something that is easily searchable, then by all means use the search. but most of the time these posts are made asking for help with specific replays and cant be answered by someone elses post. i personally dont see the reason why someone took the time to say they dont have to time to answer a question. now i should add that some are a little more clever saying they are putting up the answer in the form of a link to the search page. this one always makes me laugh... :D
Probably the closest thing to a troll you've posted here. If you're posting a help thread you get good advice and bad advice. This is bad advice. Ignore it.
In conclusion, the internet is full of a variety of people - trolls included. Most of what you're talking about isn't a troll so much as a /b/tard getting their shots in before getting banned. The closest thing to a troll I can think of are the people who give terrible advice in help threads, but other posters normally prove them wrong.
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Not all of his examples are invalid, there are definitely posters that try to counter-troll (or outright troll) poor posters or trolls to make their rage and idiocy visible to all. That's not backseat moderation, it's more like vigilante action.
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On August 09 2011 23:24 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 22:39 Dfgj wrote:On August 09 2011 21:51 arb wrote:On August 08 2011 17:17 AzTec wrote:
none of those people are trolls
terrible posters? yes.
trolls? no.
being stupid or annoying isn't trolling.
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way. Being stupid and annoying is trolling though you should probably look up trolling before making an absurd statement like that. No joke Depends on intent. If you're genuinely stupid and annoying and not acting that way to fish for a response, you're not trolling. Intent doesnt even matter though
it absolutely does lol
being stupid and not realizing it doesn't make someone a troll
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On August 10 2011 00:27 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 23:24 arb wrote:On August 09 2011 22:39 Dfgj wrote:On August 09 2011 21:51 arb wrote:On August 08 2011 17:17 AzTec wrote:
none of those people are trolls
terrible posters? yes.
trolls? no.
being stupid or annoying isn't trolling.
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way. Being stupid and annoying is trolling though you should probably look up trolling before making an absurd statement like that. No joke Depends on intent. If you're genuinely stupid and annoying and not acting that way to fish for a response, you're not trolling. Intent doesnt even matter though Id consider genuine stupid/annoying people some of the best trolls nono http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=130403If you're not intentionally trying to 'catch' someone on your trollbait, you're not trolling. You're just being exasperating - hence why people often backpedal to 'LOL I WAS JUST TROLLING' after being called out for idiocy. It implies you're putting on an act to bait.
In the end though it doesnt even matter.
Trollings trolling, whether they try hard and get far, or arent trying and get far.
On August 10 2011 00:52 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 23:24 arb wrote:On August 09 2011 22:39 Dfgj wrote:On August 09 2011 21:51 arb wrote:On August 08 2011 17:17 AzTec wrote:
none of those people are trolls
terrible posters? yes.
trolls? no.
being stupid or annoying isn't trolling.
trolling is deliberately being an asshole in order to get a rise out of people.
all the types of posters you mentioned genuinely think they are helping in some way. Being stupid and annoying is trolling though you should probably look up trolling before making an absurd statement like that. No joke Depends on intent. If you're genuinely stupid and annoying and not acting that way to fish for a response, you're not trolling. Intent doesnt even matter though it absolutely does lol being stupid and not realizing it doesn't make someone a troll
I stand by my statement.
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how can you possibly be trolling you genuinely believe what you are saying and are not just saying something to get a rise out of people?
maybe they intersect at times, but the act of trolling is totally based on intent. Pretty much every single definition online disagrees with what you're saying
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On August 10 2011 01:06 Hawk wrote:
how can you possibly be trolling you genuinely believe what you are saying and are not just saying something to get a rise out of people?
maybe they intersect at times, but the act of trolling is totally based on intent. Pretty much every single definition online disagrees with what you're saying
Isnt the point of trolling to go against what everyone agrees with?
I think i did that quite well in all those posts. 
By that i mean, of course its required to have intent, i have a friend who does the same thing. Says something totally wrong, we call him a dumbfuck and he says he's trolling.
Intent is everything in the art of trolling
All this aside, i think this post sums almost everything up
On August 08 2011 17:04 Dfgj wrote:
Trolls are the vigilantes of the internet. Some fight for good. Some fight for evil. Most are questionable.
The weak and simple ones are banned off young.
The best make pretty good mods, come to think of it.
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I'm a bit naive about trolls and often I tend to believe that extreme and absurd opinions and arguments are the result of trolls, when in fact there are people out there who are just stupid enough to actually mean it.
I think that's worse than trolling because it takes away my faith in humanity. At least good trolling requires some intelligence.
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On August 09 2011 15:19 Djzapz wrote:
People think I'm a troll when I fervently hold a moral position... I hate that I'm expected to handle every argument like someone who wears a monocle.
wait a sec....when did total biscuit come in this conversation.....:D...
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On August 10 2011 01:47 iamamish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 15:19 Djzapz wrote:
People think I'm a troll when I fervently hold a moral position... I hate that I'm expected to handle every argument like someone who wears a monocle.
wait a sec....when did total biscuit come in this conversation.....:D...
I don't get it =(
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On August 10 2011 02:37 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 01:47 iamamish wrote:On August 09 2011 15:19 Djzapz wrote:
People think I'm a troll when I fervently hold a moral position... I hate that I'm expected to handle every argument like someone who wears a monocle.
wait a sec....when did total biscuit come in this conversation.....:D... I don't get it =(
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On August 10 2011 19:13 iamamish wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 02:37 Djzapz wrote:On August 10 2011 01:47 iamamish wrote:On August 09 2011 15:19 Djzapz wrote:
People think I'm a troll when I fervently hold a moral position... I hate that I'm expected to handle every argument like someone who wears a monocle.
wait a sec....when did total biscuit come in this conversation.....:D... I don't get it =(
=D
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