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News groups are pretty much a huge e-mail list that when one sends to the newsgroup e-mail. It get fowarded to the entire newsgroup.
so like this
bob@john.com to yes@yes.com (newsgroup e-mail)
then it goes
yes@yes.com to joe@bob.com, t@go.com, etc...
I am part of one newsgroup. If the newsgroup if akin to your intrests. Its worth it to sign up for one.
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Canada9720 Posts
you may not know how to use a newsgroup, but you do know how to use google, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_newsgroup
they're basically precursors to the world wide web. most ISPs don't even offers newsgroup access anymore.
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I think he wants...files
Those types of newsgroups.
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Loli
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On June 21 2011 21:54 CTStalker wrote:
you may not know how to use a newsgroup, but you do know how to use google, right?
Well originally when I actually decided to take a peak at them I was directed to a certain newsgroup (I'll omit the link). I pretty much just wrote it off from there as a search engine. When I saw the premium subscription requirement I just decided to see if there were any better alternatives (just by googling "newsgroups" like an idiot I guess and came across giganews. Now that site boasts a hell of a lot and about a lot of different things which surprised me. So I decided to come here for hoping for some advice on what newsgroups as well as readers are good.. which Wikipedia doesn't really help with! 
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Loli
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Maybe it's best if we avoid the topic of what kind of newsgroups I'm interested in! I do not in anyway promote illegal activities and I believe that topic should be avoided.
I am more interested in know about the newsgroup/usenet readers. Many different people have been promoting different readers. . . are there any key differences in readers?
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
I am surprised Ferrose has not appeared yet.
As for you question, I don't understand what you mean by the difference between readers. Do you mean how do you access a Newsgroup? In most cases a normal web-browser should suffice I'd assume.
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Read up on NZB files if you want to find out about downloading off newsgroup.
For reader readup on sabnzb (Probably the best free one out there).
Yes it is illegal just like the thousands of torrent sites out there. Hint hint. NEWZBIN was sued and closed down for the same reason piratebay got closed.
You do need a premium subscription, astraweb, giganews etc... cost around $10 a month.
PM me if you want to find out more. I'm not linking any direct links due to forum rules.
As for what they are... hmm consider them a more organised way to download compare to say rapidshare, megaupload, filesonic etc... Better retention of files and easier to find larger files (50GB+)
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Loli
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On June 21 2011 22:33 MoonBear wrote:
As for you question, I don't understand what you mean by the difference between readers. Do you mean how do you access a Newsgroup? In most cases a normal web-browser should suffice I'd assume.
Haduken above mentioned "SABNzbd", these are the types of readers which I was referring to. There appears to be quite a number of them (similarly to the number of BitTorrent programs where the general consensus is that uTorrent is the "best").
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A usenet group is just like this thread, except I had to join and learn another of over40 stupid user names and pswds to Speak up. On usenet you have a provider or server, and once you log on and download your selected groups your good to go. Since I have been using google group reader, and it went down over the weekend, I was just searching for a favorite newsreader for iPad.
Usenet has been loosing interest due to many provider not providing service. Many younger persons seem ignorant of usenet, older than mosaic web browser. Also google has created much distaste with most spam coming from google nag gmail.
Still usenet is so wonderful, simple to use. You don't join a group, you just get on as you like. Some groups are moderated. When I search for information, much of it comes from usenet posts which are archived in google groups which bought deja news a long while back. I myself have posted almost 10000 posts the last 16 years. So if somebody suggest a good iPad app, let mr know. Problem searching for newsreader, tries to go to other than usenet app.
Greg
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Clarify, google groups is a usenet web interface. If it was working I could use it to acces usenet. It's not cool, and you get a lot of criticism for using it, but you HAVE to use google to acces the usenet archives. Not intirely true though. Other sources archive.
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Gather around while I tell a little story.
When I entered college, in 1987, many people did not have their own computers. Instead, what they'd do is walk across campus to a computer lab where they'd use a text terminal to log in to one of a few large computers owned by the school.
On these computers, there were three ways to communicate: email, an application called "phone" that was basically a 1 on 1 IM session with a single other user (who had to be online at the time), and Usenet newsgroups.
Newsgroups were, as one of these posters indicated, much like this forum. There were "groups" that were specific to different topics. You'd subscribe to one and then every time you launched the reader, you could see the messages in that topic.
However, since the school wasn't on the internet yet (that came two years later, in 1989) the way newsgroups worked was by waiting until the middle of the night, then telephoning several other colleges' computers and sharing the messages that had been posted that day. This mechanism was called UUCP (for "UNIX-to-UNIX Copy").
When you'd read a message, you'd always have to check the date, because the message, if the author were several "hops" away, might have written the message a week before.
It was also possible to send email to the author of a message using this system. The email might also take days to arrive, because it would have to travel back through the same series of computer systems by which the original message arrived.
Once we got the Internet, newsgroups continued, but instead of UUCP, systems would use a different system called NNTP (Network News Transfer Protocol) to share messages much more regularly over the permanent leased telephone lines we used for our internet connection. Now, messages might take a couple hours to be delivered.
I still remember, in 1988, when there was a great deal of outrage that America Online had opened up access to newsgroups for all of their users. People who had email addresses ending in aol.com were mercilessly teased for their incompetence, because prior to that only students and computer professionals would normally use Usenet news. Of course, this was only the start of a broadening of the audience for computer networking in general.
When telephone dialup internet became popular for consumers in the early 90s, NNTP access for newsreaders was a standard feature. Only recently have internet service providers been removing this feature, mostly because the distributed nature of newsgroups made them a lot more appealing for people hosting pirated or otherwise illegal content.
Many newsgroups, however, are still available and used for their original purposes. Also, many companies have their own internal news servers where group mailing lists are archived, for example, to save on distributing the same email message many times to many readers.
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Very good post! I think it was around1993 when I got my first micro computer. Probably a year or two later before I started using aol and the Universities dial up. I worked for the university. It was near the same time when they started installing local area network to offices and rooms. Using the unix telnet, I would read mail and usenet. I said I waited until 1993 to buy my first computer because it didnt interest me much until they became more powerful. By thatbtime they wer getting faster than the DEC computers I worked on starting in 1969.
By the way, I loaded news tap from the app center, and signed up for free acces from eternal-September.org. Works fine.
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Usenet has come a long way as far as downloading binary content is concerned. I used to marvel at how parity files worked when I manually downloaded parts of things with xnews, now nzbs are so efficient and ridiculously good it amazes me all over again.
I guess in the most basic terms nzbs operate like torrent files. It's a small file that has all the message IDs of a usenet post that are the encrypted parts of a greater file. It downloads and decodes everything for you back to its binary format.
You will likely max your download speed, whatever it is, on an uncapped usenet account, everything is posted incredibly fast (if a popular TV show airs, the HD rip is posted 40 minutes later), most servers offer 900+ day retention, and it's not illegal to download from usenet since you aren't sharing anything like bit torrent. I don't know if ISPs can throttle it like they do p2p, but I don't think so.
I pay about $10 a month for usenet access and use a free nzb index site. With the Chrome sabnzbd extension I can basically download anything at the click of a button. If you use something like sickbeard you can have TV shows download for you automatically like a PVR
It's getting harder to justify using it with ISP usage caps however
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