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Validity of Isaac Asimovs Psychohistory

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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
April 19 2011 11:12 GMT
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For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)

After reading lots of Asimovs books a few years ago i was very intrigued by his idea of Psychohistory - in short, a way of predicting what is ahead by looking at the past by means of mathmatics. I though about it for weeks and then - as it happens with so many things - i forgot about it again.

However, some recent events triggered the memory again and i feel like the idea actually has a lot of merit, though we lack the data to make use of it.

In a rough summary, he states that many things happen in a waveform and you can combine them to predict events by looking at the position of the waves and their interactions. A simple example would be the seasons. We have a temperature peak in the summer, a low in the winter and that curve alone continues for infinity. Then there are other waves, like the position of the magnetic poles that changes constantly and modifies the weather further.

Another example is the business cycle that repeats itself, though having in total an upward trend (which might also just be a part of a bigger curve).
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It is my opinion that, if we could find the base waves that control the more visible waves, we could actually calculate the combined waves. For example, the seasonal wave together with the business wave results in the waveforms of (simple examples) Birthrates or Suicide rates. Ofc there are always other influences, though if we could find them and they (as i think) turn out to have a waveform themselves i think we could actually create accurate enough predictions.

Now lets move to the more abstract things that actually triggered the memory of the psychohistory, the most recent one being the Finnish parliamentary election. I noticed - as in some other countries - that there is an increase of nationalistic tendencies while we are in an economic low while immigration rates rise due to political chagrin because of a weak government. It is a combination like the beginning to the mid of last century, where - even ignoring germany for the moment - there was a lot of violence, for example in the US between african immigrants and the white population.

Looking at all those facts, it makes me think about how it will develop next. Are those theories stupid and wrong, so everything will develop differently? Do they have some merit? Am i just crazy?

What are your opinions?

PS: I could write a lot more about it, but i'm at work and my coffee break is over :-/

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searcher
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
277 Posts
April 19 2011 12:57 GMT
#2
The idea that these large scale patterns form waves is the basis for the silly Elliot Wave theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_wave_theory

There are no inherent patterns underlying the stock market. For if there were, someone would use that pattern to trade and in doing so eliminate the pattern. In think in the case of Elliot Wave theory that the patterns were nebulous even to begin with, so it's pretty much complete pseudoscience. So your ideas don't apply to the stock market.

Otherwise, your theory needs to be more specific before it amounts to anything. At the moment it's simply "things move up and down". If you want to claim that all these "waves" have some "base waves" underlying them then that too is not specific, because any set of data can be decomposed into waves with Fourier series.

On a more general note I think it's fairly clear that psychohistory is more than a few quantum leaps away from us, if it is even possible. I think in our current framework of how the world works there won't ever be a useful theory of psychohistory. The smallest events can have such large scale consequences even a few years down the line in human affairs.
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
April 19 2011 13:08 GMT
#3
I love Asimov and psychohistory is one of his best ideas I think that psychohistory is possible but only with extremely powerful computing. Discovering the tendencies of live, the universe, and everything, well, you'll need a lot of data and a lot of processing.
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