• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:19
CET 08:19
KST 16:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview0RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced
Tourneys
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Tenacious Turtle Tussle StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night
Brood War
General
[BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Let's talk about Metropolis Foreign Brood War
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1608 users

Validity of Isaac Asimovs Psychohistory

Blogs > Deleted User 101379
Post a Reply
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
April 19 2011 11:12 GMT
#1
For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)

After reading lots of Asimovs books a few years ago i was very intrigued by his idea of Psychohistory - in short, a way of predicting what is ahead by looking at the past by means of mathmatics. I though about it for weeks and then - as it happens with so many things - i forgot about it again.

However, some recent events triggered the memory again and i feel like the idea actually has a lot of merit, though we lack the data to make use of it.

In a rough summary, he states that many things happen in a waveform and you can combine them to predict events by looking at the position of the waves and their interactions. A simple example would be the seasons. We have a temperature peak in the summer, a low in the winter and that curve alone continues for infinity. Then there are other waves, like the position of the magnetic poles that changes constantly and modifies the weather further.

Another example is the business cycle that repeats itself, though having in total an upward trend (which might also just be a part of a bigger curve).
[image loading]
+ Show Spoiler [source] +

http://www.onlineinvestingai.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/business_cycle_stock_market_sectors_29_1_08.jpg


It is my opinion that, if we could find the base waves that control the more visible waves, we could actually calculate the combined waves. For example, the seasonal wave together with the business wave results in the waveforms of (simple examples) Birthrates or Suicide rates. Ofc there are always other influences, though if we could find them and they (as i think) turn out to have a waveform themselves i think we could actually create accurate enough predictions.

Now lets move to the more abstract things that actually triggered the memory of the psychohistory, the most recent one being the Finnish parliamentary election. I noticed - as in some other countries - that there is an increase of nationalistic tendencies while we are in an economic low while immigration rates rise due to political chagrin because of a weak government. It is a combination like the beginning to the mid of last century, where - even ignoring germany for the moment - there was a lot of violence, for example in the US between african immigrants and the white population.

Looking at all those facts, it makes me think about how it will develop next. Are those theories stupid and wrong, so everything will develop differently? Do they have some merit? Am i just crazy?

What are your opinions?

PS: I could write a lot more about it, but i'm at work and my coffee break is over :-/

*
searcher
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
277 Posts
April 19 2011 12:57 GMT
#2
The idea that these large scale patterns form waves is the basis for the silly Elliot Wave theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_wave_theory

There are no inherent patterns underlying the stock market. For if there were, someone would use that pattern to trade and in doing so eliminate the pattern. In think in the case of Elliot Wave theory that the patterns were nebulous even to begin with, so it's pretty much complete pseudoscience. So your ideas don't apply to the stock market.

Otherwise, your theory needs to be more specific before it amounts to anything. At the moment it's simply "things move up and down". If you want to claim that all these "waves" have some "base waves" underlying them then that too is not specific, because any set of data can be decomposed into waves with Fourier series.

On a more general note I think it's fairly clear that psychohistory is more than a few quantum leaps away from us, if it is even possible. I think in our current framework of how the world works there won't ever be a useful theory of psychohistory. The smallest events can have such large scale consequences even a few years down the line in human affairs.
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
April 19 2011 13:08 GMT
#3
I love Asimov and psychohistory is one of his best ideas I think that psychohistory is possible but only with extremely powerful computing. Discovering the tendencies of live, the universe, and everything, well, you'll need a lot of data and a lot of processing.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Pusan 473
Leta 283
Larva 170
910 149
Sharp 79
Killer 60
Bale 41
soO 19
NotJumperer 9
ZergMaN 5
[ Show more ]
sorry 4
Dewaltoss 1
League of Legends
JimRising 611
C9.Mang0367
Other Games
summit1g10567
XaKoH 181
ViBE56
Trikslyr36
kaitlyn25
singsing0
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 76
Other Games
BasetradeTV64
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH144
• Light_VIP 90
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1674
• HappyZerGling170
Upcoming Events
WardiTV 2025
4h 42m
Classic vs MaxPax
Solar vs Classic
ByuN vs Classic
ByuN vs Solar
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs MaxPax
Big Brain Bouts
9h 42m
RSL Revival
21h 12m
StarCraft2.fi
1d 2h
IPSL
1d 9h
Sziky vs JDConan
OSC
1d 9h
Solar vs Percival
Gerald vs Nicoract
Creator vs ByuN
RSL Revival
1d 21h
Classic vs TBD
herO vs Zoun
WardiTV 2025
2 days
herO vs ShoWTimE
SHIN vs herO
Clem vs herO
SHIN vs Clem
SHIN vs ShoWTimE
Clem vs ShoWTimE
IPSL
2 days
Tarson vs DragOn
Wardi Open
3 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Revival: Season 3
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
RSL Offline Finals
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.