• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:26
CET 12:26
KST 20:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !9Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Micro Lags When Playing SC2? ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1629 users

Validity of Isaac Asimovs Psychohistory

Blogs > Deleted User 101379
Post a Reply
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
April 19 2011 11:12 GMT
#1
For reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)

After reading lots of Asimovs books a few years ago i was very intrigued by his idea of Psychohistory - in short, a way of predicting what is ahead by looking at the past by means of mathmatics. I though about it for weeks and then - as it happens with so many things - i forgot about it again.

However, some recent events triggered the memory again and i feel like the idea actually has a lot of merit, though we lack the data to make use of it.

In a rough summary, he states that many things happen in a waveform and you can combine them to predict events by looking at the position of the waves and their interactions. A simple example would be the seasons. We have a temperature peak in the summer, a low in the winter and that curve alone continues for infinity. Then there are other waves, like the position of the magnetic poles that changes constantly and modifies the weather further.

Another example is the business cycle that repeats itself, though having in total an upward trend (which might also just be a part of a bigger curve).
[image loading]
+ Show Spoiler [source] +

http://www.onlineinvestingai.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/business_cycle_stock_market_sectors_29_1_08.jpg


It is my opinion that, if we could find the base waves that control the more visible waves, we could actually calculate the combined waves. For example, the seasonal wave together with the business wave results in the waveforms of (simple examples) Birthrates or Suicide rates. Ofc there are always other influences, though if we could find them and they (as i think) turn out to have a waveform themselves i think we could actually create accurate enough predictions.

Now lets move to the more abstract things that actually triggered the memory of the psychohistory, the most recent one being the Finnish parliamentary election. I noticed - as in some other countries - that there is an increase of nationalistic tendencies while we are in an economic low while immigration rates rise due to political chagrin because of a weak government. It is a combination like the beginning to the mid of last century, where - even ignoring germany for the moment - there was a lot of violence, for example in the US between african immigrants and the white population.

Looking at all those facts, it makes me think about how it will develop next. Are those theories stupid and wrong, so everything will develop differently? Do they have some merit? Am i just crazy?

What are your opinions?

PS: I could write a lot more about it, but i'm at work and my coffee break is over :-/

*
searcher
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
277 Posts
April 19 2011 12:57 GMT
#2
The idea that these large scale patterns form waves is the basis for the silly Elliot Wave theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_wave_theory

There are no inherent patterns underlying the stock market. For if there were, someone would use that pattern to trade and in doing so eliminate the pattern. In think in the case of Elliot Wave theory that the patterns were nebulous even to begin with, so it's pretty much complete pseudoscience. So your ideas don't apply to the stock market.

Otherwise, your theory needs to be more specific before it amounts to anything. At the moment it's simply "things move up and down". If you want to claim that all these "waves" have some "base waves" underlying them then that too is not specific, because any set of data can be decomposed into waves with Fourier series.

On a more general note I think it's fairly clear that psychohistory is more than a few quantum leaps away from us, if it is even possible. I think in our current framework of how the world works there won't ever be a useful theory of psychohistory. The smallest events can have such large scale consequences even a few years down the line in human affairs.
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
April 19 2011 13:08 GMT
#3
I love Asimov and psychohistory is one of his best ideas I think that psychohistory is possible but only with extremely powerful computing. Discovering the tendencies of live, the universe, and everything, well, you'll need a lot of data and a lot of processing.
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV 2025
11:00
Championship Sunday
Reynor vs SolarLIVE!
Clem vs MaxPax
Classic vs SHIN
WardiTV879
ComeBackTV 581
TaKeTV 267
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #116
SKillous vs KrystianerLIVE!
TBD vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings75
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
DivinesiaTV 14
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4117
Calm 3814
Rain 2026
GuemChi 1230
Horang2 985
Shuttle 606
Stork 497
Soma 379
Sharp 332
Last 254
[ Show more ]
firebathero 222
Mini 158
Light 150
Rush 135
EffOrt 134
hero 128
Hyun 96
soO 68
ggaemo 52
Barracks 51
Killer 42
NaDa 40
zelot 36
Yoon 33
Mong 27
910 21
Movie 19
Terrorterran 19
GoRush 19
SilentControl 7
Britney 0
Dota 2
Gorgc2808
singsing2515
XcaliburYe383
BananaSlamJamma118
NeuroSwarm45
League of Legends
JimRising 366
rGuardiaN70
Counter-Strike
x6flipin599
zeus320
edward43
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor250
Other Games
B2W.Neo782
Fuzer 365
RotterdaM169
Mew2King61
MindelVK6
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 22
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH314
• LUISG 36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV658
• lizZardDota290
League of Legends
• Jankos2136
• Stunt776
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
5h 34m
BSL 21
8h 34m
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
21h 34m
Wardi Open
1d
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 5h
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.