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DivinO
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mardi
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Ikonn
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On May 05 2011 21:29 zulu_nation8 wrote: please tell me what's impressive about lil B He's incredibly polarizing and he has the problem that a large amount of his fanbase only likes him because they consider him a meme. If you look past that you may find that he made some really good music (some bad music too but that's not that strange seeing as he made about a billion songs in 2010 alone) my two favorite Lil B songs: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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zyzski
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YoonHo
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Zyzski, you're my favorite poster <3. | ||
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Sky
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Realized that OF puts out all/most of their stuff for free. Here! | ||
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apalemorning
Canada509 Posts
All I want, fuck money, diamonds and bitches, don't need them But where the fat ones at? I got something to feed them | ||
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
Thanks for that, didn't know that their music was freely available. Haven't been too impressed with what I've heard of Odd Future. Sad to say it, but it puts me off that they're hipster fodder. | ||
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apalemorning
Canada509 Posts
On May 06 2011 14:05 BasilPesto wrote: Sad to say it, but it puts me off that they're hipster fodder. true story. hipsters love it. i means, it doesnt detract from the cleverness of the lyrics but the social aspect of the music is ridiculous where i live. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On May 06 2011 15:13 apalemorning wrote: true story. hipsters love it. i means, it doesnt detract from the cleverness of the lyrics but the social aspect of the music is ridiculous where i live. Hating things because other people like them and because those other people are somehow construed as "hipsters" is the worst impulse in music listening. Hipsters are a function of your imagination - like the Easter Bunny and Presbyterians. But there are people who listened to OFWGKTA before Pitchfork attempted to "claim" them (starting lists @ 2010 end but increasing exponentially after the Fallon performance) and there are people who listened to them after the hype machine gained momentum. The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is. But Goblin should cut some of the stragglers out, I think. A harsh, uncompromising record. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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apalemorning
Canada509 Posts
On May 06 2011 15:28 jon arbuckle wrote: Hating things because other people like them and because those other people are somehow construed as "hipsters" is the worst impulse in music listening. Hipsters are a function of your imagination - like the Easter Bunny and Presbyterians. But there are people who listened to OFWGKTA before Pitchfork attempted to "claim" them (starting lists @ 2010 end but increasing exponentially after the Fallon performance) and there are people who listened to them after the hype machine gained momentum. The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is. But Goblin should cut some of the stragglers out, I think. A harsh, uncompromising record. lol this dudes post is literally like the pitchfork review about goblin LOL and zulu_nation is dead on. | ||
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PUPATREE
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On May 06 2011 15:28 jon arbuckle wrote: The people in the latter camp are the ones judging them on the basis of whether hipsters listen to them. The people in the former camp are worried the people in the latter camp are going to ruin what a precious thing OFWGKTA actually is. Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All Don't Give A Fuck about what anyone else thinks or wants. OF isn't getting ruined anytime soon. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On May 12 2011 01:51 zulu_nation8 wrote: I think disliking something because it's hipster is completely understandable and justified. Indie has become disgustingly hype driven, unmeritocratic and embodies the worst stereotypes of fashion. "Hipster" exists mainly as an epithet to decry someone else for perceived superficiality of taste. In terms of fashion, art, music, and culture, "hipster" is so pluralistic in use that it doesn't actually denote anything at all. The very idea that OFWGKTA, suburban skaterats well-read on the Internet, could be lumped in with like fucking Death Neutral Vampire Cab Beach Milk Weekend For House Hotel Cutie (itself composed of different aesthetics among bands) proves my point. At best, by using the word, you're contributing to boom/bust cycles in the popularity of certain bands. A group exists for however long it exists, but once they accrue some chatter on the Internet, they grow at an exponential rate until it reaches an apex of popularity, becoming hipster fodder (or runoff, if you're into that sort of thing). At that point, it is cooler to be a detractor, to seemingly stand at the side and sneer at the band as "stuff hipsters like," until the band doesn't mean anything anymore. But none of this hinges on merit, just hype and superficiality. If you want to get closer to evaluating a band or album for its qualities as a band or album in line with whatever, setting aside "hipsters" would be a good start. (like what is it you have in mind when you say "indie"? didn't you defend Explosions in the Sky to me a long time ago?) On May 12 2011 02:24 apalemorning wrote: lol this dudes post is literally like the pitchfork review about goblin LOL So, you can't read. On May 12 2011 02:24 PUPATREE wrote: Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All Don't Give A Fuck about what anyone else thinks or wants. OF isn't getting ruined anytime soon. Wasn't talking about whether OFWGKTA think about what people think or want. Tyler is painfully self-aware without the vocabulary to deal with that, and Goblin already bears evidence of pockmarks from the attention (e.g. preemptive knee-jerk complaining-about-fame album theme for the first physical album from an Internet-curio-cum-Next-Big-Thing). If he hasn't lost his eager, unselfconscious vulgarity, he's at least subordinated it for sludgy, midtempo, Eminem-confessionals, a quality prefigured in the past but now given greater emphasis. Backlash has already mounted for that. It's the side of OFWGKTA that made "Assmilk" that I'm worried about. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
While many do disregard indie in the same way hipsters have ruined it, I don't think it's better to ignore what actually goes on while trying to pretend anyone still has the ability to evaluate a buzzband with unspoiled intentions. Often I'm more worried about those who are part of this culture but are oblivious to where their "taste" comes from. I have Bastard but haven't listened to it that much. I do appreciate French! and Yonkers. I have never defended Explosions in the Sky to anyone, you remembered wrong. I don't know how much HRO as it is now can really satirize anything but their stuff on pitchfork is still mostly hilarious. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: In music hipster refers to a specific culture of fashionable individuals who are in tune more or less with the same circle of media ranging from blogs to pitchfork to nylon, etc. Used by outsiders from that scene, I guess, although with all the tumblrs and blogs that exist, the distinction between "them hipsters" and "us" is blurry. The Internet farm league that raises bands isn't much different from the major label farm league that hires and raises pop stars except the latter is explicitly about financial gain while the former has little hope of financial self-sustenance built into it. That said, this implicates nearly all types of music, but more importantly mistakes the quality of music (as a transitive, subjective category, of course) for the perceived origin of that music - its distribution channels, the discourse that brought it to somebody's attention. It also implicates all listeners, or can, depending on who's using it. I do not actually listen to Animal Collective. I listen to the hipsters I imagine listen to Animal Collective and I listen to the scores that Pitchfork gave Animal Collective. I then promote x-band over Animal Collective in an iconoclastic gesture that demonstrates my being superior to the standard calculus of taste. But am I actually listening? On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: I prefer to use indie when talking about music though. "Indie" barely means anything anymore either. On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: Odd future is lumped together with that group of bands because they have become an indie commodity through exactly the process you describe. I don't see how the fact none of those bands resemble each other very much proves anything. The point is exactly it's not about the music. What's not about the music? The word "hipster" is larger than music, yes. The judgment call embedded in the word, that some people like something not because they in fact like it but because of the cultural capital inherent in the embrace of that particular cultural commodity, is really snotty and is often bandied about baseless. It's not that I don't think the superficial embrace of cultural capital doesn't exist; I'd prefer meaningful dialogue on the subject as opposed to virulently labeling things "hipster" when the criteria for things "hipster" are vague and easily applied to just about anything. Especially because the "hipster" appendage is most often used by people who aren't active in these scenes; people who sneer and say "hipster" tend to be the least qualified to make that judgment. On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: While many do disregard indie in the same way hipsters have ruined it, Wait, how old are you? On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: Often I'm more worried about those who are part of this culture but are oblivious to where their "taste" comes from. I have Bastard but haven't listened to it that much. I do appreciate French! and Yonkers. I appreciated this juxtaposition. On May 12 2011 03:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: I don't know how much HRO as it is now can really satirize anything but their stuff on pitchfork is still mostly hilarious. Haven't read it in two years. In HRO's terms, it is impossible to actually like anything, and you'd be stupid to think you can. Ultimately I'd rather put the pieces back together and like what I like regardless. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On May 12 2011 04:43 jon arbuckle wrote: Used by outsiders from that scene, I guess, although with all the tumblrs and blogs that exist, the distinction between "them hipsters" and "us" is blurry. The Internet farm league that raises bands isn't much different from the major label farm league that hires and raises pop stars except the latter is explicitly about financial gain while the former has little hope of financial self-sustenance built into it. That said, this implicates nearly all types of music, but more importantly mistakes the quality of music (as a transitive, subjective category, of course) for the perceived origin of that music - its distribution channels, the discourse that brought it to somebody's attention. It also implicates all listeners, or can, depending on who's using it. I do not actually listen to Animal Collective. I listen to the hipsters I imagine listen to Animal Collective and I listen to the scores that Pitchfork gave Animal Collective. I then promote x-band over Animal Collective in an iconoclastic gesture that demonstrates my being superior to the standard calculus of taste. But am I actually listening? I guess the difference is just how seriously someone takes all of it. Nothing to disagree with here. But I remember not long ago people had less reasons to be cynical about the scene. On May 12 2011 04:43 jon arbuckle wrote: What's not about the music? The word "hipster" is larger than music, yes. The judgment call embedded in the word, that some people like something not because they in fact like it but because of the cultural capital inherent in the embrace of that particular cultural commodity, is really snotty and is often bandied about baseless. It's not that I don't think the superficial embrace of cultural capital doesn't exist; I'd prefer meaningful dialogue on the subject as opposed to virulently labeling things "hipster" when the criteria for things "hipster" are vague and easily applied to just about anything. Especially because the "hipster" appendage is most often used by people who aren't active in these scenes; people who sneer and say "hipster" tend to be the least qualified to make that judgment. Whatever allows those bands to be mentioned together has nothing to do with style or genre. Again I don't disagree, though I often call others hipsters derogatively. I rarely get a chance to defend what I listen to versus a complete outsider so I don't mind when the word is actually used to condescend. But I do still believe the negative connotations associated with the term are, from perhaps an overly cynical perspective, true too often. I didn't mean for the statement to sound so dramatic. I started collecting music in the late 90s/early 2000s. I can see how it can be read that way but I actually didn't mean it. | ||
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