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I will not play mirrors

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oesis
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
117 Posts
January 27 2011 05:03 GMT
#1
Anyways I despise mirrors, not only are they balanced so I can't complain against imba(I don't actually complain bout imba), but I tend to lose most of them. Maybe worst of all they are really boring...

Anyways what is the solution???

I have decided not to play then. Now you may be asking how is this possible its like I know how to effect blizzards matchmaking, wink wink. Well I don't. So instead I just resign whenever I run into a mirror game. In theory if I win 100% of non-mirror games I can still go up in rating.

Now this has had some negative effects on me, mainly it made me go from masters to diamond.

Though I swear blizzard tries to give me as many mirrors as possible, oh well, i will not be broken.

Anyways to show my seriousness here is my match history, most of the losses are from resigning, seriously how does blizzard give me so many mirrors......


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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
January 27 2011 05:07 GMT
#2
You are a genius! You will also get more achievements this way!
Jaedong :3
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25987 Posts
January 27 2011 05:08 GMT
#3
I'll let it slide because you're a good poster, but don't make all-caps titles.
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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
January 27 2011 05:09 GMT
#4
Hahaha, if it were allowed, I would like to try race-picking and playing ZvP instead of PvP. However, blizz interferes too much with SC2's ladder. What can you do?
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 27 2011 05:14 GMT
#5
ZvZ isn't boring, just aggravating most of the time. (I have no clue what I'm doing, took too long a break recently :p).

Awesome idea though haha. Show Blizzard who's boss!
you gotta dance
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
January 27 2011 05:16 GMT
#6
Mirror matches are the most fun MU's...
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
January 27 2011 05:18 GMT
#7
Mirrors are the easiest to get good at. Here's the easy solution:

Every time you lose a mirror, watch the replay. See what the opponent does, practice that, and do it the next game. If he can beat you doing what he did, you can beat other people.

TvT is my favorite matchup in Brood War (I'm weird like that), because I did exactly this.
안지호
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
January 27 2011 05:20 GMT
#8
What race do you play? If it's protoss, I can understand. After the Inca vs Anypro 4-gate vs 4-gate match, I wanted to claw my eyes out. If you're terran, I don't quite understand since TvT is not too bad to play.
eight.BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States240 Posts
January 27 2011 05:34 GMT
#9
ZvZ is personally my favorite mirror. TvT tank viking is very boring, and in PvP 4wg is a drag. I have a lot more fun in ZvZ.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
January 27 2011 05:43 GMT
#10
You must be a protoss, that matchup is driving me insane
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
January 27 2011 05:46 GMT
#11
if u hate it, why dont u just 7pool every game?

i mean its easy to do and its pretty much a coin flip for winning or losing. game will be over in 3 minutes that way neways, and at least u might actually win some games.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
January 27 2011 05:46 GMT
#12
I love zvz.

I think I have a psychological edge in the mu too when my opponents complain and I tell them that.
oesis
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
117 Posts
January 27 2011 06:12 GMT
#13
Sorry about the caps title.

Also currently I play toss, though I have played all 3 races a fair amount and I can say I hate all 3 mirror match ups.

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Wolf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)3290 Posts
January 27 2011 06:14 GMT
#14
Oh man.. PvP can definitely make a man unhappy.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/proxywolf
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.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 06:37:32
January 27 2011 06:36 GMT
#15
I personally love mirror matches. They are IMO the truest reflection of skill possible.

Sparring bio squads amidst tank lines and aircraft duking it out for air supremacy, while having to watch for drops at home and sneaking scouts around.. so tense. So fun. TvTs are awesome.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
feaynnewedd
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany41 Posts
January 27 2011 06:43 GMT
#16
I don't know about that, I love mirrors! As a terran player who seems to not really understand the game, at the very beginning of SCII (the game, not the beta), I quickly moved to diamond with the "IMBA" terrans, losing to P and Z a lot but winning all of my TvT's, which is still my very best matchup. I just loved it if ppl started saying "t imba" when I finally won ONE non-mirror game because I killed T and died to the other races.

Maybe I should play the other races to understand their restrictions, but I cannot bring myself to do so... I just love the rusty metal and stimpacks.... hmmmm
Dinotoss hwaiting!
oesis
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
117 Posts
January 27 2011 06:48 GMT
#17
Mirror matchups may be a true test of skill, but I tend to think most people at my rating have better micro and macro than me. So in straight up fights like mirror matchups where everything is fair I tend to lose.
1000==0011
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 27 2011 06:54 GMT
#18
pvp 4 gate vs 4 gate is junk =_=
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SiegeFlank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States410 Posts
January 27 2011 06:58 GMT
#19
TvT is actually a really fun and dynamic matchup. Watch Jinro v MKP in the code S semis.The matchup supports a lot of different playstyles, from slower, more muscular styles to highly mobile hit and run styles. You can open with virtually anything, so long as you can transition well and be able to deal with the more problematic openings (i.e. banshee harass).
Bird up
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
January 27 2011 07:01 GMT
#20
my personal experience is that the AMM keeps giving me matchups that i've recently been losing in. when i was on a tvt loss streak i'd get like 10 tvts in a row. now i'm getting nothing but tvp in my last 10 games and i've been losing them all.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 27 2011 07:21 GMT
#21
If you want to avoid mirrors, veto maps your race favors more and eat the fact you'll have to do non-mirrors on some maps you don't like as much... However I probably wouldn't make this recommendation if you're zerg since I imagine getting steppes and jungle basin would get old pretty fast.

" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Order
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Lithuania231 Posts
January 27 2011 07:48 GMT
#22
So. You say you lose mirrors almost all the time. So instead of 4% mirror match winrate you chose 0% mirror match winrate. Interesting...
Common Sense - so rare that it's a super power
feaynnewedd
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany41 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-27 08:37:26
January 27 2011 08:35 GMT
#23
On January 27 2011 15:48 oesis wrote:
Mirror matchups may be a true test of skill, but I tend to think most people at my rating have better micro and macro than me. So in straight up fights like mirror matchups where everything is fair I tend to lose.


I don't think so. I think, you have to understand the matchup to excel at it. So it's not only about micro and macro (of course, they still play a huge role), but of understanding the races and matchups.

Edit: I mean, look at Stork in BW. He just manhandles terran (well he's on a tear atm anyway) because he understands the matchup so well!
Dinotoss hwaiting!
Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
January 27 2011 13:02 GMT
#24
Whats up with all the PvP hate? PvP is easily the best match-up in the entire game, and TvT is just awful to look at, its the only reason I don't play T.
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 27 2011 13:15 GMT
#25
I think you should just do ridiculous all-ins like proxy gate in their base or 6pool with all drones for quick 3 minute games instead of just leaving.
No I'm never serious.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
January 27 2011 14:17 GMT
#26
On January 27 2011 22:02 Alexson wrote:
Whats up with all the PvP hate? PvP is easily the best match-up in the entire game, and TvT is just awful to look at, its the only reason I don't play T.


This has got to be a (bad) troll attempt. PvP as the best match up lol...
DoubleZee
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada556 Posts
January 27 2011 14:19 GMT
#27
If you don't like PvP just cannon rush or proxy 2 gate every time.
Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!
oesis
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
117 Posts
January 28 2011 04:07 GMT
#28
Ok I have failed, I'm tired of my rating going to the crapper so I've decided to start playing mirrors again.

I apologize if I have broken any of your hearts.
1000==0011
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28706 Posts
January 28 2011 05:49 GMT
#29
I actually think the lack of a game lobby in ladder games is the single biggest problem with sc2 nowadays. eliminating race picking, which is essentially what this does, forces you to play matchups you might not like. :'(

I'd definitely be playing zvt zvp and tvz or pvz instead of zvz if it was possible but when 95% of my games are ladder games, it's not.
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
January 28 2011 08:07 GMT
#30
On January 27 2011 16:48 Order wrote:
So. You say you lose mirrors almost all the time. So instead of 4% mirror match winrate you chose 0% mirror match winrate. Interesting...


but he saves a lot of time and has (slightly) more fun
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
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