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On September 03 2010 09:02 baller wrote:ur cover letter is not good enough. i will help u write it, dont worry Show nested quote +Hi, my name is Nam T.M. Tran.
I am a sophomore with a GPA above 3.0. I am very interested doing any undergraduate research, I am also willing and available for much more than 200 hours per week if needed.
But you may say, but Nam, isn't there only 168 hours in a week? Well, you may have noticed I have Physics I and Physics II on my schedule. In these classes I have developed a machine that can bend time and space. Thus, I can work for up to 2000 hours per week depending on the amount of dilithium I can obtain to power my device.
I will reply with another email in about an hour with my CV. Thanks for your time.
P.S. My middle initials stand for "The Man" u will get the job 100% edit: ur welcome
wow thanks you're such a baller.
i would actually post something like this to a few professors i know(you're not serious right?)
, but i dont know the guy at all. best to be safe and not baller.
I wish i could be as baller as you, though.
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On September 03 2010 09:04 HeavOnEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 09:02 baller wrote:ur cover letter is not good enough. i will help u write it, dont worry Hi, my name is Nam T.M. Tran.
I am a sophomore with a GPA above 3.0. I am very interested doing any undergraduate research, I am also willing and available for much more than 200 hours per week if needed.
But you may say, but Nam, isn't there only 168 hours in a week? Well, you may have noticed I have Physics I and Physics II on my schedule. In these classes I have developed a machine that can bend time and space. Thus, I can work for up to 2000 hours per week depending on the amount of dilithium I can obtain to power my device.
Please check the e-mail I sent one hour ago with my CV. Thanks for your time.
P.S. My middle initials stand for "The Man" u will get the job 100% edit: ur welcome wow thanks you're such a baller. i would actually post something like this to a few professors i know( you're not serious right?) , but i dont know the guy at all. best to be safe and not baller. I wish i could be as baller as you, though.
I think the bolded changes would make the entire thing more believable.
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I don't think you should worry about a CV. Even the request for one, at the undergraduate level, seems a bit ridiculous; there's almost no way for you to have accumulated any research/publication/award experience, which is what a CV is all about. I say: make a resume for future use for jobs and the like, and just use that. There's going to be virtually no difference anyway.
In regard to your CV, I have a lot of bones to pick with it. Don't like the list of classes (prof would know from your major/year), how you describe your previous lab experience/"measuring" experience. A lot of this stuff seems superfluous to me, like you saying how you're always committed to what you start. Personally, I think the list of stuff should say it for you; saying yourself sort of takes away from the message (it's counter intuitive but I find it works from personal experience).
Overall, I think you'd be better off just doing a cover letter-ish sort of email. State how you found out about the position, why your qualified, and how you hope to hear back. It's much more personal, and I think it would resonate with the professor better.
Anyways, I'm currently a Chem E major as well (I think? Why else would you be taking Intro to Chem E?) and I'm doing undergrad research at UC Berkeley. I also did undergrad research at UC Davis, where I transferred from. Good luck!
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On September 03 2010 09:56 milikan wrote:
I don't think you should worry about a CV. Even the request for one, at the undergraduate level, seems a bit ridiculous; there's almost no way for you to have accumulated any research/publication/award experience, which is what a CV is all about. I say: make a resume for future use for jobs and the like, and just use that. There's going to be virtually no difference anyway.
In regard to your CV, I have a lot of bones to pick with it. Don't like the list of classes (prof would know from your major/year), how you describe your previous lab experience/"measuring" experience. A lot of this stuff seems superfluous to me, like you saying how you're always committed to what you start. Personally, I think the list of stuff should say it for you; saying yourself sort of takes away from the message (it's counter intuitive but I find it works from personal experience).
Overall, I think you'd be better off just doing a cover letter-ish sort of email. State how you found out about the position, why your qualified, and how you hope to hear back. It's much more personal, and I think it would resonate with the professor better.
Anyways, I'm currently a Chem E major as well (I think? Why else would you be taking Intro to Chem E?) and I'm doing undergrad research at UC Berkeley. I also did undergrad research at UC Davis, where I transferred from. Good luck!
I wasn't going to list classes at first but someone suggested it,
looking back i definitely get what ur saying about "im commited to what i start or w/e" it sounds stupid
sadly it has been sent D: T_T
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On September 03 2010 09:35 Jopz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2010 09:04 HeavOnEarth wrote:On September 03 2010 09:02 baller wrote:ur cover letter is not good enough. i will help u write it, dont worry Hi, my name is Nam T.M. Tran.
I am a sophomore with a GPA above 3.0. I am very interested doing any undergraduate research, I am also willing and available for much more than 200 hours per week if needed.
But you may say, but Nam, isn't there only 168 hours in a week? Well, you may have noticed I have Physics I and Physics II on my schedule. In these classes I have developed a machine that can bend time and space. Thus, I can work for up to 2000 hours per week depending on the amount of dilithium I can obtain to power my device.
Please check the e-mail I sent one hour ago with my CV. Thanks for your time.
P.S. My middle initials stand for "The Man" u will get the job 100% edit: ur welcome wow thanks you're such a baller. i would actually post something like this to a few professors i know( you're not serious right?) , but i dont know the guy at all. best to be safe and not baller. I wish i could be as baller as you, though. I think the bolded changes would make the entire thing more believable.
lol wow i like it
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Edit: I reread your qualifications ... and I think if you read up on the research being done in the research openings and met up with the PIs (primary investigators) to talk about research, you'll have a decent enough chance. There is no need to pretend you have all this experience. But you need to make sure you let them know you are willing to learn any techniques that will be used. If you have quantitative analysis skills that'll help as well. Reading up on a particular lab's research shows them you're serious about doing research ... I (and I think a lot of other ppl who worked in the research lab) hate reading dry scientific papers. But it really impresses others (and flatters them) if you can talk about their published papers.
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On September 03 2010 11:43 lac29 wrote:
Edit: I reread your qualifications ... and I think if you read up on the research being done in the research openings and met up with the PIs (primary investigators) to talk about research, you'll have a decent enough chance. There is no need to pretend you have all this experience. But you need to make sure you let them know you are willing to learn any techniques that will be used. If you have quantitative analysis skills that'll help as well. Reading up on a particular lab's research shows them you're serious about doing research ... I (and I think a lot of other ppl who worked in the research lab) hate reading dry scientific papers. But it really impresses others (and flatters them) if you can talk about their published papers.
agreed with a lot of what this guy says
definitely make sure you do that if you get the interview. also helpful if your just spamming profs for research; it really helps if you include a little tidbit showing you know what their researching and that your interested.
reading the papers is a whole nother level IMO. i think the level/depth/technicality in research papers are way too much for an undergrad. the PI i worked under would have weekly meetings where the entire group of post docs, grad students, undergrad and PI would go over the paper and try to understand the entire damn thing as a group. if you can understand the entire paper in its entirety, i think youd be picked up as a grad student. =P
PS polymer/organic photovoltaics ftw baby
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On September 03 2010 11:43 lac29 wrote:
Edit: I reread your qualifications ... and I think if you read up on the research being done in the research openings and met up with the PIs (primary investigators) to talk about research, you'll have a decent enough chance. There is no need to pretend you have all this experience. But you need to make sure you let them know you are willing to learn any techniques that will be used. If you have quantitative analysis skills that'll help as well. Reading up on a particular lab's research shows them you're serious about doing research ... I (and I think a lot of other ppl who worked in the research lab) hate reading dry scientific papers. But it really impresses others (and flatters them) if you can talk about their published papers.
I think this is great advice. Another important thing to remember is not to get discouraged if you don't get this one position. I had to apply to like 50 different labs to get the lab position I'm about to start (even though I think I'm well qualified). Also, I got all of my lab positions during undergrad by blind emailing professors. lac29 is right, though, it helps to mention in an email that you are interested in what the lab does and maybe you read something interesting of theirs and would like to learn more. Then ask if they would be willing to meet with you. Good luck! Keep us updated.
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