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Sad[Panda]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States458 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-18 11:10:34
February 04 2010 13:54 GMT
#1
NEWS UPDATES


2/19/2010

      Got my laptop thoroughly pleased just need to get starcraft again xD and SC2 BETA IS OUT OMFGWTF BALLLLLINNNNNNN it loooks hella cool now i really want to play sc xDDD


2/15/2010

      Laptop should come tomorrow im so excited, if there is anymore delay I will be thoroughly annoyed the frys order still says "In Process" and they called and asked for additional info which i gave and said it will be sent out monday recieved by tuesday but the money hasn't been taken out of my bank nor has the status changed so im a bit worried i will probably call the number if the status hasn't changed by the end of work tomorrow(today).


2/13/2010

      ordered my new laptop now its just the waiting game for my payment to be authorized and my laptop to be shipped only depressing part is the company only ships on business days and its the weekend t.t bastards xD


2/08/2010

      I really hate not having a computer it makes trying to get better hard cant wait to get a new computer. Either way im adding replays as often as I can hopefully im making progress today I added 3 replays A ZvT and 2 ZvP's


2/05/2010

       I want to kind of update and be forward about my intentions of this although it may really seem like that this is for my benefit but I really hope that this blog can be a great centralized resource for any player who wants to improve just using me as a specimen. I think anyone can watch these replays and look over my own and others analysis' and relate to some mistakes I have made and be aware by peer support of common mistakes seen that hopefully someone else will realize they may do this too and look for their own mistakes.


The Idea!


      So this is my first blog (Woo!) and I intend on making full use of it (for my own personal gain of course ;D). What id like to do is use this blog as a place where I can put all my games in one centralized place and put some of my own feedback on the games and then hopefully get some other feedback from others that Ill edit into the blog and credit the original person who gives the feedback (sorry if you say the same thing after someone has already suggested it or if your info is misleading or is not agreed with by the general public you wont be edited into the blog and credited). So this will be like an epic journey that I can monitor and come back to to reference what I need to work on, so please feel free to bookmark me baby and continue to help me through my journey aswell, I truly hope you do :D I preferably would love to update this once a week for some time frame if you are interested in acting as some sort of a mentor or just want to be able to say "SUP, YOU SEE THAT GUY HIS SKILL IS CAUSE OF ME YO! I HELPED THAT BROTHA YEEE!~".



Info about me as a player


      For a little background im your average zerg player I am not extremely bad but im nowhere imo Decent (I can hardly break 1200 but I also have the tendancy to play during korean hours only) my macro is pretty terribad and I still have not gotten myself into a good habbit of hotkeying my hatches and such im still trying to work on it though. My ICCup Account is Sad[Panda] and am always looking for people to play some friendly practice matches (if interested PM here or whisper me when im on)



Games and Analysis Section


+ Show Spoiler [ZvP on Python] +
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(Bullet format analysis due to many incomplete and run on sentences)
+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts and thought process] +

  • So still I dont really know a build order so Im going to actually neglect my terribad opening im going to work on learning 3hatch spire to 5 hatch hydra.

  • My expansion was horribly late due to my bad opening and not really abusing his bad simcity early enough I luckily got him to over react to my 6 lings to hurt him enough economically to where I felt it balanced out a bit.

  • I took my third to get ahead of him and threw down a spire aswell for scourge since i saw reaver tech (admittedly really late) I also decided to get mutas to abuse what little D he had in his main near my ovie

  • Got lucky enough to pick off a reaver

  • Got lucky he didn't push out with zeals before i had lurkers so i need to scout the Plus one earlier aswell

  • Built my evochambers extremely late im pretty sure im supposed to make the first one after the den completes or during.

  • I should have taken my fourth immediately after that first push to knowing i was safe at the time and had a good contain on my enemy or earlier.

  • I should also scout and send lings to all the expansions to be positive he doesn't have any hidden bases.

  • I should possibly move my rallys to the middle of the map at this point since i have map control

  • Cant tell what happened when he broke out ( missed it) I dont know if i 1a2a3aed into him or he came at me but reavers are mean :O

  • I should have utilized my 4th much sooner

  • I should have stopped his initial reaver drop even if my scourge were stupid as hell I saw it early enough to flee my drones which i did to late trying to scourge his stuff :[

  • My attempt at doing damage to his choke failed miserably andd I still haven't resaturated / put drones on my main gas again yet

  • Need to throw down more hatcheries i have an huge excess of minerals too probably should take more expansions as i go to be safe aswell

  • 1a2a3a4a5a into a reaver without looking or using swarm / mutas to pick off templars / reaver is a bad idea.

  • I coulda tried to drop his main since it was very ungaurded and I had an excess of resources to research it

  • Got lucky with my ovie seeing the normal 3rd expansion area and units moving there

  • After killing much of his force in his push i decided a counter would end the game and thats my thought process / analysis.


+ Show Spoiler [Peers advice] +

  • Observe your opponents sim-city if you have the opening to do a runby do so

  • Utilize your lings for aslong as possible dont take unecessary risks losing units needlessly and
    harass out of cannons reach

  • Gateway below forge doesn't block

  • Gateway over forge blocks

  • Have a gameplan ready and understand the openings you use


+ Show Spoiler [ZvT on HeartBreak Ridge] +
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+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts and Thought Process] +


  • So first off asoon as I saw the early gas I saw he was doing a mech build

  • I didn't see the Rax so i was going to search for a proxy then i saw it floating so i thought I was
    ok atm

  • The rines that waltzed into my base really caught me off guard

  • I decided to run my lings in to try to take some advantage of a lack of units yet but was met by 2 vultures I also got caught up doing things in my base which delayed my lings attacking him

  • I see his large vulture army and sunken up to try to stop them somewhat

  • He just penetrated my base running around I didn't block my opening with drones

  • He kills alot of drones and at this point I know ive lost but continued to play the massive losses accrewed was to hard for me to come back from without swarm

  • I honestly have no clue how I should react to this normally when i play against a mech build it doesn't feel as cheesey as this did but the fact is he controlled the gameflow and raped me completely I need some feedback on what and how I should react to a playstyle like this


+ Show Spoiler [Peers Advice] +



+ Show Spoiler [ZvT on Destination] +
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+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts and thought process] +


+ Show Spoiler [Peers Advice] +



+ Show Spoiler [ZvP on Destination] +
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+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts and thought process] +


+ Show Spoiler [Peers Advice] +



+ Show Spoiler [ZvP on Heartbreak Ridge] +
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+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts and thought process] +


+ Show Spoiler [Peers Advice] +




General Advice and Techniques and Methods to Improve your game


+ Show Spoiler [General Advice] +

  • Make sure you have your hotkeying down for macroing units (ex. Hatches on 0,9,8,7,6, to do the standard 0sh9sh8sh7sh6sh)




+ Show Spoiler [Techniques and Methods] +

  • Utilize Single Player to get down basic but extremely important mechanics like build orders, and hotkeying habbits




CREDITS!

  • majesty.k)seRapH for informing me on how to add text into the spoiler name ^^;
  • 9287 for being extremely kind and offering to be somewhat of a mentor
  • ilovezil for being kind enough to add insight and advice towards my game
  • Nub4ever for being willing to practice with me :D
  • ella_guru for being willing to practice with me :D
  • Levistus for being willing to practice with me :D
  • SniperVul5 for being willing to practice with me :D
  • flamewheel91 for being willing to practice with me :D
  • Drive for being willing to practice with me :D



+ Show Spoiler [Practice Partner List] +

[image loading]Nub4ever[bsg]
[image loading]ella_guru
[image loading]Levistus
[image loading]UE-Sniper(SniperVul5)
[image loading][image loading]flamewheel91
[image loading][b]Drive_(Drive)


Disclaimer: my mother got a virus from facebook -_-" and my computer refuses to boot up even in safemode (no form of) so the only computer I can use is my Fathers so the games may start to come slowly at first but im getting a laptop when i get my tax return(somewhere around the 12th) so sorry if theres little to work with at first :[


Format will be updated regularly until i see fit ^^; and I do intend on keeping this current and updated for aslong as possible
+ Show Spoiler +


( O.O) ("\(t.t )/") ~ I'm just looking for someone to hug
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
February 04 2010 13:59 GMT
#2
well, to label a spoiler, you just put a equal sign after "spoiler" (no spaces) and then end normally

ie:
+ Show Spoiler [its a spoiler!] +
yeah, my ZvP is horrendous, will def be working on it this season
boomer hands
Sad[Panda]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States458 Posts
February 04 2010 14:03 GMT
#3
On February 04 2010 22:59 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
well, to label a spoiler, you just put a equal sign after "spoiler" (no spaces) and then end normally

ie:
+ Show Spoiler [its a spoiler!] +
yeah, my ZvP is horrendous, will def be working on it this season


thank you very much I really appreciate it ^^;
and good luck with your own ZvP training ^^;
( O.O) ("\(t.t )/") ~ I'm just looking for someone to hug
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
February 04 2010 14:43 GMT
#4
Well if you got time for a game I might be on later today :D I'm at about 1500 ish pts though I can somedays get up to like 1900 and the next drop to 1200 =\
ingame I'm nub4ever[bsg]
Dota 3hard5me
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
February 04 2010 14:44 GMT
#5
How do you get viruses from facebook? Maybe from goat porn sites, but facebook?
No I'm never serious.
9287
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States134 Posts
February 04 2010 14:46 GMT
#6
I can give you some advice in zvp and zvt if you want. i am a C-/C Zerg player.

i will PM you
Sad[Panda]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States458 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-04 14:51:19
February 04 2010 14:49 GMT
#7
On February 04 2010 23:44 Nytefish wrote:
How do you get viruses from facebook? Maybe from goat porn sites, but facebook?


my mother likes to open things from randoms she doesn't know thats how.

On February 04 2010 23:46 9287 wrote:
I can give you some advice in zvp and zvt if you want. i am a C-/C Zerg player.

i will PM you


Thank you very much I appreciate it alot :D

On February 04 2010 23:43 Nub4ever wrote:
Well if you got time for a game I might be on later today :D I'm at about 1500 ish pts though I can somedays get up to like 1900 and the next drop to 1200 =\
ingame I'm nub4ever[bsg]


kk thank you im going to create a training player list for reference but I right now need to sleep i have work in 9 hours
( O.O) ("\(t.t )/") ~ I'm just looking for someone to hug
9287
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States134 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-04 15:00:46
February 04 2010 15:00 GMT
#8
i can also help you in zvz but i don't know if you play it lol


Sad[Panda]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States458 Posts
February 04 2010 15:06 GMT
#9
On February 05 2010 00:00 9287 wrote:
i can also help you in zvz but i don't know if you play it lol




im not a race picker I intend on working on all Zerg matchups
( O.O) ("\(t.t )/") ~ I'm just looking for someone to hug
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
February 04 2010 15:08 GMT
#10
Hey Sad Panda!

I like the effort you have put in.

I'm a T player, and train with a Z and P player all around D/D+ level.

My ICCUP is ella_guru . I think I play everyday.
Each day gets better : )
josemb40
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Peru611 Posts
February 04 2010 15:15 GMT
#11
ill look for u!
wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
February 04 2010 15:30 GMT
#12
Hello Sad[Panda]. I would like to be one of your practice partners. I'm a D/D- Terran.
ID is Levistus. I already added you.
hey man just curious
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-04 18:29:52
February 04 2010 16:44 GMT
#13
I've watched up to around the first six minutes.

First of all, you scouted the enemy on the first try. This means you get to see his setup at his nat with your ol. He blocked in a way that was EXTREMELY open to a ling runby, meaning you already had the option to simply make 12 lings and waltz into his main. Even so, you went for his nat, which was pretty open so you did a good job noticing that. On the flip side, you also lost lings needlessly. Just keep the lings harassing right out of cannons range, just keeping them there will be a great hindrance to a protoss player at that level, since you even forced him to build another cannon there. Anyway, a gateway below forge setup never blocks lings out perfectly, it's always gateway over forge. Keep that in mind.

Second, even if you were to opt for a macro game, you went about it the wrong way. Why would you go straight for lair if you're going to expand anwyay? Usually, after an overpool build (which I don't really like btw), you would take drones off gas after you have enough for speed, then expand first to your nat then to a 3rd (to the 5 o'clock corner in most zerg's cases on python in your situation). Instead, you opted for straight lair then expanded. This splits your option needlessly into two paths: tech and expansion, which is ALWAYS one or the other in the beginning stages of the game. NEVER do both at once in the first five minutes of the game. You got confused because you chose two diverging options at once, so it led to the lack of macro (what do i build??) and lack of tech usage (you didn't even use your lair tech in the first six minutes. And in the end, all it was used for was hydra speed, which you didn't use since you never built hydras and didn't need lair for anyway. In summary, if you're going to opt straight for a lair build like you did, focus so that your tech is done as soon as possible. Otherwise, if you're going to expand, use only enough gas so you get speed (if that) and focus on building up your economy.

So that's it for what I've seen so far. My credentials only go so far as my iccup account, but take my advice as you will. Also, if you need additional input or even practice, feel free to pm me or just ask. Good luck on your iccup journey!

EDIT: I'm a protoss player.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
February 04 2010 18:49 GMT
#14
Hello Mr. Panda, I'm very happy of the effort you're going to be putting in!
Due to living at a boarding school, I'm home about once every three weeks for a weekend or so, but you can add me to your list if you want.

I am a D/D+ Zerg player (got to mid-D+ last season, then kind of got smurfed by a B- zerg and a few cheesy Protoss players to drop back down to high D, ugh) though I can offrace as a high D protoss.

And if you ever want 2v2 information/tips, I'm about a C- 2v2 player as Z or P.
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/flamewheel91.html
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
SniperVul5
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada166 Posts
February 05 2010 01:47 GMT
#15
I wouldnt mind practicing against a zerg
TvZ is my worst matchup

UE-Sniper - D+ rank Terran

But i wont play often cause I have to study for university
Sad[Panda]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States458 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-05 07:48:35
February 05 2010 07:47 GMT
#16
Alright I updated the op and I added all of the practice partners up there and thanks for the support so far I appreciate it ^^;

going to go play a few games after I eat and will upload and post them soon with my own analysis ^^;
( O.O) ("\(t.t )/") ~ I'm just looking for someone to hug
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
February 05 2010 08:11 GMT
#17
Sup panda,
i'm a D level protoss.... add me :D

iccup id: DrivE_
i can only play on weekends though

LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
Sad[Panda]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States458 Posts
February 05 2010 08:32 GMT
#18
On February 05 2010 17:11 DrivE wrote:
Sup panda,
i'm a D level protoss.... add me :D

iccup id: DrivE_
i can only play on weekends though



added here and iccup ^^;
( O.O) ("\(t.t )/") ~ I'm just looking for someone to hug
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
February 05 2010 08:38 GMT
#19
and I still have not gotten myself into a good habbit of hotkeying my hatches


you should drop everything else until you can do this, play in single player if you have to. God can't stress that enough
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
February 05 2010 08:44 GMT
#20
The title of this blog gave me an idea: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=111599
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Sad[Panda]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States458 Posts
February 05 2010 08:48 GMT
#21
On February 05 2010 17:38 Divinek wrote:
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and I still have not gotten myself into a good habbit of hotkeying my hatches


you should drop everything else until you can do this, play in single player if you have to. God can't stress that enough


kk ill focus on that and BO's really heavily and thank you it actually gave me the Idea to add a techniques and general Advice to the OP so if you have any other general techniques or advice to get something down please feel free to add them. The first will be to Make a good Habbit of Hotkeying your gates/rax/hatches etc. and a technique or method to do so is try and use single player to get them down with minimal distractions and variables.
( O.O) ("\(t.t )/") ~ I'm just looking for someone to hug
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