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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
November 01 2009 02:49 GMT
#181
Hey you should add:
"Yelled 'AW FUCK' when I got in the same group as Bisu and Effort in IEF" to your resume, with a vid. that shit was hilarious and I watched it like 50 times yesterday, laughing just as much the last time as I did the first xD
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 01 2009 02:57 GMT
#182
hahah I'm glad you enjoyed that

I got robbed of my time with effort though THey didn't even let us play cause it had no impact on the group.. so I only got my 11 minutes with bisu heeh.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 01 2009 03:00 GMT
#183
scheming evil
why so 진지해?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 01 2009 03:03 GMT
#184
AMAZING
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-02 01:39:18
November 02 2009 01:20 GMT
#185
Bumping for incontrol sorry you didn't get to play effort geoff.

just saw the group drawing stage video LOL
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 02 2009 08:50 GMT
#186
thanks dude<3 haha
uNcontroLable
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1180 Posts
November 05 2009 03:13 GMT
#187
bump
* www.twitter.com/AnnaProsser * www.facebook.com/AnnaProsser * www.twitch.tv/AnnaProsser * www.youtube.com/annaprossertv *
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
November 05 2009 03:31 GMT
#188
when are you going to get lessons from him uncontrolable
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 07 2009 02:31 GMT
#189
So I am back from korea

I have a job now and the holidays are here.. not to mention school is sucking my life away.. BUT I can still do some lessons. Just need to be a bit more flexible

So if there is any interest let me know!
LRM)nOoNe
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States231 Posts
November 09 2009 04:24 GMT
#190
incontrol is an amazing teacher.
we played a couple zvt's and he showed me what my strengths and weaknesses were
can't think of any cons, the entire thing was very beneficial to me
will definitely do again
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 09 2009 09:29 GMT
#191
thanks for the kind words sir<3

Weds/Thurs/Fri completely open.. and weekend is fairly open as well.

hit me up ~ ~ ~
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
November 09 2009 13:47 GMT
#192
Hey Geoff one thing I think you should add to the reviews section is the ranks of the people you're teaching. It might help applicants decide how much benefit they will receive from your help. Obviously the lower ranked (d-c+) will receive a lot more help just because there are more things to learn. Not to say B-A range can't be helped by you.
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 14:27:19
November 09 2009 14:26 GMT
#193
Intrest for this should go up with tsl closing in :-)
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 09 2009 15:49 GMT
#194
On November 09 2009 22:47 iSiN wrote:
Hey Geoff one thing I think you should add to the reviews section is the ranks of the people you're teaching. It might help applicants decide how much benefit they will receive from your help. Obviously the lower ranked (d-c+) will receive a lot more help just because there are more things to learn. Not to say B-A range can't be helped by you.


Good advice.. I will ask them to include that from now on.
Audiohelper123
Profile Joined November 2009
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 18:06:48
November 09 2009 18:03 GMT
#195
Don't mean to be rude but this is a huge ripoff. People do this sort of thing for free(day9) and incontrol isn't even that good. The price for this is HUGE compared to how easy it is to improve on your own especially for lower ranked players. I'd feel like a massive sucker if did this, just my 2 cents.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 09 2009 18:17 GMT
#196
You aren't rude, just retarded.

Nobody sits with someone for 2 hours on ventrilo and works through every mu, bo, map and timing etc.. day[9] actually charged one of my students MORE money (ironically) for less than what I do. Is he wrong to do that? No, I am just disproving your example.

And no it isn't "easy to improve on your own." If that were the case I wouldn't have had over 30 sessions already (in 3 weeks).

People who pay for coaching aren't "suckers" they are ambitious. I don't really appreciate you coming in here and generalizing all of them under the guise "I don't mean to be rude." That isn't some fix-all comment where everything following that is somehow "ok." You were rude, wrong and ignorant.

Also you can say what you want about my skill.. that is purely your opinion. But my teaching ability and coaching has had nothing but high marks. And that is something you don't know about.. which is ironic since this is a coaching thread/subject you are commenting on.
Audiohelper123
Profile Joined November 2009
80 Posts
November 09 2009 18:39 GMT
#197
On November 10 2009 03:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
You aren't rude, just retarded.

Nobody sits with someone for 2 hours on ventrilo and works through every mu, bo, map and timing etc.. day[9] actually charged one of my students MORE money (ironically) for less than what I do. Is he wrong to do that? No, I am just disproving your example.

And no it isn't "easy to improve on your own." If that were the case I wouldn't have had over 30 sessions already (in 3 weeks).

People who pay for coaching aren't "suckers" they are ambitious. I don't really appreciate you coming in here and generalizing all of them under the guise "I don't mean to be rude." That isn't some fix-all comment where everything following that is somehow "ok." You were rude, wrong and ignorant.

Also you can say what you want about my skill.. that is purely your opinion. But my teaching ability and coaching has had nothing but high marks. And that is something you don't know about.. which is ironic since this is a coaching thread/subject you are commenting on.


It is VERY easy to improve on your own. The way to break out of the D ranks is by massing games and improving mechanics, it has nothing to do with advanced meta game or cheese/rush timings. The reason you got 30 sessions is because these people don't understand that all they need to do is get more apm and do EVERYTHING faster. They might get the illusion that you're helping them because you probably do tell them things that are true but for 10 dollars an hour i would say this is sooooo not worth it when there are free guides that do the exact same.

Day9 does a FREE daily cast I don't know what you're referring to in that example. You don't appreciate me coming in here and generalizing? I never did this, all I did was say from my experience as a B- player how I would feel about this offer. They can throw away money all they want(IMO) I just wanted to give my 2 cents on this.

iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 09 2009 19:13 GMT
#198
Casting to an unspecific general audience is not coaching.. that is akin to watching ESPN and claiming Madden personally trained you.

And saying "Do everything faster, work on mechanics and mass game" = improvement is ludicrous. Just yesterday I coached a guy with over 200 games on ICCUP, he is D rank and very deserving of that rank... what will you tell him? Stop wasting his money and play 600 more games?

The bottom line is nobody has complained about my rate. In fact people have complemented how relatively cheap it is when other people are asking for more to do less.

You are ill informed and illogical. There is very little intelligence in your argument.. "just do everything faster" rofl? That easy huh?

And the Day[9] "example" was that he charged for lessons.. more and did less. Like I said.. the guy you keep using as an example does EXACTLY what I do only privately. His podcast is not similar as was pointed out earlier.
iSiN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1075 Posts
November 09 2009 20:41 GMT
#199
On November 10 2009 03:03 Audiohelper123 wrote:
Don't mean to be rude but this is a huge ripoff. People do this sort of thing for free(day9) and incontrol isn't even that good. The price for this is HUGE compared to how easy it is to improve on your own especially for lower ranked players. I'd feel like a massive sucker if did this, just my 2 cents.


HEY GUYS WHATS UP IN THIS THREAD I SEE THE TITLE AND SAY THAT ITS NOT WORTH THE MONEY LOL! I DONT EVEN READ THE CUSTOMER REVIEWS OR ANYTHING

Look you may be a B- player but you're also a giant douchebag. Geoff has helped me more in the 4 hours that I've worked with him than I've been able to help myself to become better in quite some time. My apm hasn't improved but my win loss ratio has. Why? Geoff as a coach can help me see things that playing hundreds of games won't help me see or learn. Currently I'm rolling through protoss opponents(at my level and slightly above) which was something I was extremely incapable of doing. I've read the guides hell I've even taught others before but he brought things into a new perspective for me. Also he is extremely helpful and will answer quick questions from me outside of the time I'm paying him to.

This whole experience to me is akin to taking tennis lessons. Sure you know how to serve and you can get it in the box every time but do you know how to place your serve, do you know how to put different kinds of spin, You might even have an idea of how to do those to some degree but until you have a coach that has a greater knowledge than you there to show you exactly how you need to pronate your wrist or which stances cause the most power etc etc you just won't ever grasp it.
Grouty @HoN/PCKJ <--<333 || Jaedong Fan Cafe GFX
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 20:45:14
November 09 2009 20:42 GMT
#200
Incontrol's starcraft skill does not equal to his teaching skill.
to assess his starcraft skill we look at his iccup page (A-) that doesn't mean anyone he teaches can be A- after his lesson. The way to assess his teaching skill is by the performence of his students

I would like to see some evidence on how good his teaching skill is. Instead of having your clients posting their opinions on how you did, you should rely on facts to sell your teaching service.

One example of such facts you could use: ask one of your clients to post their iccup rank before your lesson, and 2 weeks after your lesson, and see if there is a improvement. That would validate how great of a starcraft teacher Incontrol is.
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