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On August 29 2009 09:27 DefMatrixUltra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2009 08:27 Vedic wrote:On August 29 2009 07:21 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
@Vedic: I noticed you are a regular on ESR. Could you explain to me the good qualities of a WMO? I feel like if I posted asking that over there I would just get flamed or ignored as a troll. Every time I think of that mouse, I literally cringe because of how bad its surface is. I can see the IME being comfortable, though I've never owned one so I can't really comment.
I appreciate your input, and I intend to learn everything there is to know on ESR before updating my post here thoroughly. Hopefully I can get your input afterwards as well.
First, you should read this thread, which was done by Sujoy. It's a bit old, and people have been dying for an update to it, but it gives you a good range of info. Many older mice merely have a very stable sensor, which only adds to the fact that most people seem to like the shape. I personally do not, but the sensor does provide everything you need in a competitive level mouse. I previously used a Razer Krait, and currently use the Razer Salmosa - both using low DPI. I wouldn't hesitate to make a post with questions/concerns/ideas on ESR, as you're going to get trolled there no matter what you do. You'll just have to pick through and look for the constructive feedback. They're very elitist, but it's the go-to place for in-depth mouse information. Attempting to use the search function is an effort in futility, so just make a new post and see where it goes. I have read that thread to its completion already. As a physics student, I can appreciate good solid data like that. I think Sujoy's experiment is only useful for determining which mice are good for very low-cursor-speed gamers, however (and also finding defects in DPI reporting). The maximum physical speed that the mouse can be moved at is only a concern if you have a very low cursor speed and are using a very wide range of motion on a large pad. This is a very useful experiment for gamers who like that, but I'm more of a high-speed (in RTS, of course) and medium-speed (in FPS and most other games). I noticed that about 1/5th of posters on average are very knowledgeable, even about extremely specific setups and mice differences. The rest are... well. Frightening. I have found a few good threads using the search function, but it is a huge PITA. I have seen a guide written for CS:S referenced about a dozen times which has information that is relevant to DPI + Speed sliders in Windows. How do you like the Salmosa? That was an option I had considered when getting a new mouse, but I figured it was just too extreme a change for me.
The Mousescore thread was more of a response as to the qualities of the WMO. Most DPI discussion has been between topics, without a general real post for it. The majority of Quake players are high to medium sens players, with some favoring low sens and accel - straight low sens is very rare.
I only switched to the Salmosa because my Krait was dying, so it wasn't a choice I made because I was unhappy. It turned out that it was everything that I loved about the Krait, but without the annoying rubbery sides, and a slightly better shape overall. Left click started squeaking about a week in, but I hear that it goes away after a while. The sensor and shape are perfect, though.
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Great read. Coming from playing Quake 3 on a pretty high level as well I can appreciate it even more.  My mouse made me smack the desk more than once at the time, flipping view to the roof when I moved it too fast, god it made me wanna throatpunch someone. Was an Intellimouse Explorer.
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On August 29 2009 08:27 Vedic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2009 07:21 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
@Vedic: I noticed you are a regular on ESR. Could you explain to me the good qualities of a WMO? I feel like if I posted asking that over there I would just get flamed or ignored as a troll. Every time I think of that mouse, I literally cringe because of how bad its surface is. I can see the IME being comfortable, though I've never owned one so I can't really comment.
I appreciate your input, and I intend to learn everything there is to know on ESR before updating my post here thoroughly. Hopefully I can get your input afterwards as well.
First, you should read this thread, which was done by Sujoy. It's a bit old, and people have been dying for an update to it, but it gives you a good range of info. Many older mice merely have a very stable sensor, which only adds to the fact that most people seem to like the shape. I personally do not, but the sensor does provide everything you need in a competitive level mouse. I previously used a Razer Krait, and currently use the Razer Salmosa - both using low DPI. I wouldn't hesitate to make a post with questions/concerns/ideas on ESR, as you're going to get trolled there no matter what you do. You'll just have to pick through and look for the constructive feedback. They're very elitist, but it's the go-to place for in-depth mouse information. Attempting to use the search function is an effort in futility, so just make a new post and see where it goes.
What are your settings for your Salmosa? 800 DPI? How about the windows mouse speed and the sensitivity in the razer driver? I use mine in 1800 DPI even in SC, im not sure if it's good, but I'm getting used to the speed.
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On August 29 2009 19:28 pH)ggbOy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2009 08:27 Vedic wrote:On August 29 2009 07:21 DefMatrixUltra wrote:
@Vedic: I noticed you are a regular on ESR. Could you explain to me the good qualities of a WMO? I feel like if I posted asking that over there I would just get flamed or ignored as a troll. Every time I think of that mouse, I literally cringe because of how bad its surface is. I can see the IME being comfortable, though I've never owned one so I can't really comment.
I appreciate your input, and I intend to learn everything there is to know on ESR before updating my post here thoroughly. Hopefully I can get your input afterwards as well.
First, you should read this thread, which was done by Sujoy. It's a bit old, and people have been dying for an update to it, but it gives you a good range of info. Many older mice merely have a very stable sensor, which only adds to the fact that most people seem to like the shape. I personally do not, but the sensor does provide everything you need in a competitive level mouse. I previously used a Razer Krait, and currently use the Razer Salmosa - both using low DPI. I wouldn't hesitate to make a post with questions/concerns/ideas on ESR, as you're going to get trolled there no matter what you do. You'll just have to pick through and look for the constructive feedback. They're very elitist, but it's the go-to place for in-depth mouse information. Attempting to use the search function is an effort in futility, so just make a new post and see where it goes. What are your settings for your Salmosa? 800 DPI? How about the windows mouse speed and the sensitivity in the razer driver? I use mine in 1800 DPI even in SC, im not sure if it's good, but I'm getting used to the speed.
Default windows, default drivers, mouse accel fix, 800 DPI, 1000hz. I don't actually play SC with it, though, as even 800 DPI is a bit much.
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I updated the post a little bit to put some more thoughts about CPI and to pose some questions that I couldn't find the answers to elsewhere.
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The only thing I don't like about the salmosa is the grip on the sides, it's like a slippery shiny plastic side.My perfect mouse would basically be shape size and weight of the salmosa with the side grips of the logitech g5.
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