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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
April 30 2009 13:16 GMT
#1
2009!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-30 13:25:16
April 30 2009 13:24 GMT
#2
Even thou
vZ: 0-5 (0.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L L L | View Games: no thanks
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Kong John
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark1020 Posts
April 30 2009 13:44 GMT
#3
On April 30 2009 22:24 Malongo wrote:
Even thou
vZ: 0-5 (0.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L L L | View Games: no thanks


3 vs zero and one vs Jaedong, hes just had a rough patch.

Anyway, 2009.
This is real life, where nerds must battle!
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
April 30 2009 14:36 GMT
#4
anti-Savior vote.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
April 30 2009 14:53 GMT
#5
HoeJJa is one of my favourite players! I'm voting for HoeJJa until he has to face Flash!
This signature is ruining eSports.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
April 30 2009 14:55 GMT
#6
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SAVIORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
April 30 2009 18:21 GMT
#7
HoeJJa gooooooo
n_n
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
April 30 2009 18:37 GMT
#8
CJ autovote
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
April 30 2009 18:44 GMT
#9
This one is 50/50, so I'm making a strategic play by picking the least popular player.

Go HoeJJa!
✌
orcsmash
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada319 Posts
April 30 2009 18:50 GMT
#10
Not easy, but I'm going with Savior because of the experience.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
April 30 2009 20:01 GMT
#11
On May 01 2009 03:44 JWD wrote:
This one is 50/50, so I'm making a strategic play by picking the least popular player.

Go HoeJJa!

Mind if I join you?
exeprime
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom643 Posts
April 30 2009 23:01 GMT
#12
On April 30 2009 23:36 Itachii wrote:
anti-Savior vote.

Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
April 30 2009 23:25 GMT
#13
On April 30 2009 23:36 Itachii wrote:
anti-Hoejja vote.


Fixed. It's okay. We all make mistakes.

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2009
CJ Entusman #24
Sprite
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1015 Posts
May 01 2009 00:10 GMT
#14
hmm Hoejja!
Firebathero is still the best!
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
May 01 2009 00:26 GMT
#15
Ok, I just watched a few Hoejja ZvZs. And..

I am quite certain that sAviOr will win. Here is why.

Hoejja was destroyed by MenSol, aka ZerO. I know ZerO is good, but I just feel bad for Hoejja in that match because he was humiliated. He was completely schooled.

Fine, tough game. But, what about his loss to HoGil? Hogil is an awful ZvZ player. He cannot even micro his mutalisks, even if his life depended on it. He is just a plain lousy poor ZvZ'er. Here is the situation.
Hoejja vs HoGiL.
Hoejja is one one base 1 gas, but has the full 14 drones working. He is has more mutalisks than his opponent. HoGiL, is one 2 base, so more larvae, and 2 gas. But he only has 4-5 workers on minerals, and maybe 5 total on the 2 gas. Plus he is stretched across 2 bases with very few units to defend.

What does Hoejja decide to do? He decides to pump lings from across the map on a 1 hatch. Then sends them to attack in groups of 4 a larger group of HoGil lings. He runs away with his mutas as they are attacked by Hogils. What is wrong with this?

Everyone knows you go for the drones to keep their ling count down. They have to spend minerals on them as well as take up larvae. This leaves less for their scourge on the 2 gas. Plus hampers their economy. You harass until you win, or until you can get your own natural up.

I know my explanation might make no sense, but if you want to watch the game and read this, you will see just how bad Hoejja is ZvZ.

And that says nothing about his other match-ups however.

+ Show Spoiler +
I predict 2-0 sAviOr, winning both times through superior ling micro. (If it comes down to mutas its 50-50. sAviOr is pretty bad with those himself.)
CJ Entusman #24
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
May 01 2009 01:15 GMT
#16
savior 12 hatch both games
hoejja 9 pool speed both games

hoejja!!
Ry-Masta-T
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States478 Posts
May 01 2009 17:42 GMT
#17
@Qwert: Did you not see Savior throw away his lead against great (2 bases vs 1, savior decides instead of winning, he wants to secure his economic advantage and takes his nat, resulting in, obviously, fail)

I think this one is 50/50 although hoping/voting for mjy
Speak the word...
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 01 2009 22:15 GMT
#18
HoeJJa has this =]
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
May 03 2009 17:44 GMT
#19
<3 Hojjea :D
n_n
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
May 04 2009 13:22 GMT
#20
hehe, thanks for the point hoejja^^
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