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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 09:03:45
April 17 2009 08:55 GMT
#1
Idea hit my head!

Just curious if there is anything in the works for new user icons with SC2 units. I for one would really like a baneling XD. After seeing battle report 2, i cant get over how adorable i find them. Or mayhap there will be a choice to choose between old icons and new icons? Would appreciate it if mods shed some info. =D!

Edit: Whoops i apologize for starting thread in the wrong section :x
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 17 2009 08:56 GMT
#2
What is wrong with the icons now? They get the point across, maybe color them but ya know...
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15325 Posts
April 17 2009 10:12 GMT
#3
I like the idea to change icons for new members to SC2 simply to distinguish the SC2 newcomers from the BW veterans.

Then again I don't like the idea because it will distinguish the SC2 newcomers from the BW veterans.

I am moderately undecided about this.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 17 2009 17:43 GMT
#4
All I know is I would like to hold on to my BW icon (whatever it may be when SC2 hits). Maybe there can be another toggle-able option as to which icons you would prefer? I like the idea of it being a choice for the user as to which game he identifies himself with more.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24641 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-17 17:50:43
April 17 2009 17:50 GMT
#5
My suggestion would be for tl to keep track of two post counts: one for since you joined, and another for since sc2 launched. You could choose an icon for any race from either game, but the level of the icon would correspond to the post count.

So for example, if sc2 came out now, and I made 1000 posts tomorrow, then I would be entitled to a bw icon for ~8696 posts or an sc2 icon for 1000 posts.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
April 17 2009 20:57 GMT
#6
yeah forget what I originally said, I like micronesia's idea
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24641 Posts
April 17 2009 21:47 GMT
#7
Alternately you could freeze the bw icons at whatever postcounts we have when sc2 is released. This way people who made it to carrier/bc/etc are also distinguished from people who joined shortly before sc2 was released even if they post a lot.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 18 2009 01:10 GMT
#8
I dunno if I'll ever want to give up my BW icon. If I'm forced to, SC2 better blow my mind away.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
April 18 2009 02:17 GMT
#9
I'll never change from Goliath but micronesia's first idea is definitely good.
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
April 18 2009 03:34 GMT
#10
I like the ideas that micronesia is putting out.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24641 Posts
April 18 2009 04:33 GMT
#11
That's not the only thing you like that I'm putting out.

BTW you didn't get a thread but happy BDAY Fontong.
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
April 18 2009 07:52 GMT
#12
Hum must spam until i get an icon i like then is that the challenge.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
April 18 2009 07:53 GMT
#13
If you freeze the icons, I'll never reach carriers, even if I get the posts.
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Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
April 18 2009 08:19 GMT
#14
On April 18 2009 06:47 micronesia wrote:
Alternately you could freeze the bw icons at whatever postcounts we have when sc2 is released. This way people who made it to carrier/bc/etc are also distinguished from people who joined shortly before sc2 was released even if they post a lot.


How bout it shows ur sc2 icon but if you put your mouse over it, the bw icon will show.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
April 18 2009 14:14 GMT
#15
I like micronesia's idea :3
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
April 18 2009 20:38 GMT
#16
this is a bw site though. we keep it how it is.
maybe just sc2 icons for the sc2 forum(s) sorta like how we have teams in the league forum.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24641 Posts
April 18 2009 20:47 GMT
#17
On April 19 2009 05:38 CharlieMurphy wrote:
this is a bw site though.
Why do you think it will always be a bw site?
we keep it how it is.
If you are right that this is only meant to be a bw site then ok, but I'm not so sure about that.
maybe just sc2 icons for the sc2 forum(s) sorta like how we have teams in the league forum.
I still feel you are making a big assumption.
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
April 19 2009 00:32 GMT
#18
I gotta consider what icon I want! I probably want to bypass scout at least.

On April 18 2009 13:33 micronesia wrote:
That's not the only thing you like that I'm putting out.

BTW you didn't get a thread but happy BDAY Fontong.

thanks!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-20 03:46:47
April 20 2009 03:44 GMT
#19
On April 17 2009 19:12 zatic wrote:
I like the idea to change icons for new members to SC2 simply to distinguish the SC2 newcomers from the BW veterans.

Then again I don't like the idea because it will distinguish the SC2 newcomers from the BW veterans.

I am moderately undecided about this.


If you want the site to move forward, you have to add SC2 icons. Imagine if you start playing WC3, go to a WC3 fansite, and the avatars are all units you don't recognize... because they're WC2 units. It just wouldn't make sense. Many, if not most, WC3 players never touched WC2. And that'll be the case with SC2.

Thus, you have to have SC2 avatars. I think the issue you're wrestling with, though, is whether to get rid of the old avatars and make them all SC2, or let the old guys keep their BW avatars.

1) Now, you know some people are attached to their avatars. Or at least interested in them. As evidenced by the many threads focusing on this issue. So, you're losing something by making everyone have SC2 avatars.

To summarize, if you change all the avatars, you'll lose something which is important to some members. Con for all SC2 avatars

2) What do you gain? I think you hit it on the head in your post. People ostracize newbs, and different avatars would let you see someone is a noob. But... so does post count. And that's almost, if not as, obvious as the little box to the left of your name. After all, because the avatars aren't unique, you tend not to even glance at them after awhile. There's no reason to. No funny visual joke. And it doesn't let you identify a person at a glance, because so many people have it. And actually, post-count is normal quick-look proxy for forum respect.

Plus, while a click away, you can find out the join date of a poster.

Finally, newb-bashing isn't a serious problem at tl.net. You have a bunch of moderators. There's enough of you, and you're dedicated enough, such that if TL.net is unfriendly to new guys, it's because of your moderation policies.

To summarize, what do you gain by having all SC2 avatars? I say nothing. on the pro side... no pro

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seriously, should you have all sc2 avatars of bw too? All sc2 avatars? A big con and no rpo =s don't do that. Which means sc2 and bw avatars. have sc2 avatars but keep the bw ones for the old guys. This does not include the work it takes you guys



wow, for something i tried to organize, that turned into a rambling mess.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
April 20 2009 10:50 GMT
#20
On April 18 2009 06:47 micronesia wrote:
Alternately you could freeze the bw icons at whatever postcounts we have when sc2 is released. This way people who made it to carrier/bc/etc are also distinguished from people who joined shortly before sc2 was released even if they post a lot.

hell no I want to get a carrier before sc2 comes out
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 20 2009 14:45 GMT
#21
What about if you have a post count that is not visual which is your post count before SC2 came out and that is what entitles you to a SC:BW avatar corresponding to the post number, this would mean the SC2 newbies would not get the SC:BW higher units they could simply have the scv/drone/probe.

And then once SC2 comes out there will be another post count which would be in your profile showing your posts since SC2 has come out. This post count would allow you to get the new SC2 unit avatars.

Now the public post count would be your all-time post count.
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LonelyMargarita
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
1845 Posts
April 20 2009 18:37 GMT
#22
Wait a minute...since when does a TL user's icon change?
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24641 Posts
April 20 2009 20:47 GMT
#23
On April 20 2009 23:45 d(O.o)a wrote:
What about if you have a post count that is not visual which is your post count before SC2 came out and that is what entitles you to a SC:BW avatar corresponding to the post number, this would mean the SC2 newbies would not get the SC:BW higher units they could simply have the scv/drone/probe.

And then once SC2 comes out there will be another post count which would be in your profile showing your posts since SC2 has come out. This post count would allow you to get the new SC2 unit avatars.

Now the public post count would be your all-time post count.

I have a better idea.

What about if you have a post count that is not visual which is your post count before SC2 came out and that is what entitles you to a SC:BW avatar corresponding to the post number, this would mean the SC2 newbies would not get the SC:BW higher units they could simply have the scv/drone/probe.

And then once SC2 comes out there will be another post count which would be in your profile showing your posts since SC2 has come out. This post count would allow you to get the new SC2 unit avatars.

Now the public post count would be your all-time post count.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-20 22:17:33
April 20 2009 21:13 GMT
#24
Ugh.

There's no gain whatsoever in constructing artificial nonsense like that, because anything that encourages (pseudo)-elitism of pre-sc2 users is no good.

The way I see it there are the following solutions:
- get rid of all sc1 icons in favour of sc2 icons
- keep sc1 icons in sc1 forums (bw, sc1 strat, sc1 tourneys, maybe sc1 news if it'll be seperated) and sc2 icons elsewhere
- every user can pick whatever he wants (sc1 t p z , sc2 t p z) and it's displayed everywhere
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24641 Posts
April 20 2009 22:06 GMT
#25
tl is all about elitism. Is it good? No. But I don't see much effort by the community/leadership to avoid elitism, so I don't see why we should when specifically focusing on icons.

On the other hand I could understand a "a little at a time" attitude so I guess I'd be on the fence.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
April 20 2009 22:35 GMT
#26
All about? What?
Sure it exists, no need in encouraging it further though.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 21 2009 17:42 GMT
#27
On April 21 2009 05:47 micronesia wrote:
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On April 20 2009 23:45 d(O.o)a wrote:
What about if you have a post count that is not visual which is your post count before SC2 came out and that is what entitles you to a SC:BW avatar corresponding to the post number, this would mean the SC2 newbies would not get the SC:BW higher units they could simply have the scv/drone/probe.

And then once SC2 comes out there will be another post count which would be in your profile showing your posts since SC2 has come out. This post count would allow you to get the new SC2 unit avatars.

Now the public post count would be your all-time post count.



I didn't realize how similar it was to yours when I posted it lol.
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
April 21 2009 18:26 GMT
#28
On April 20 2009 19:50 Racenilatr wrote:
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On April 18 2009 06:47 micronesia wrote:
Alternately you could freeze the bw icons at whatever postcounts we have when sc2 is released. This way people who made it to carrier/bc/etc are also distinguished from people who joined shortly before sc2 was released even if they post a lot.

hell no I want to get a carrier before sc2 comes out


LOL GL
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
April 21 2009 18:27 GMT
#29
how about just picking game as well as race? the same way you can pick p t z you could pick SC SC2?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 21 2009 19:17 GMT
#30
On April 21 2009 07:35 Carnac wrote:
All about? What?
Sure it exists, no need in encouraging it further though.


So people can't look at post count and join date if they want put someone down for being new? And when elitism gets out of hand, the mods can't handle it, and in fact it'd get rid of a douchebag who shouldn't be on the forum anyway?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
April 27 2009 00:51 GMT
#31
i like the part where we started caring about what our icon is
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