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Artosis Curse vs Bomber Law

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SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-30 20:12:26
July 28 2013 07:05 GMT
#1
Artosis Curse vs Bomber Law: which one is stronger?

For those who doesn't know:

Artosis Curse: Whoever artosis is hyping for is losing

Bomber's Law: Bomber will always disappoint.
Corollary to Bomber's Law: If Bomber does not disappoint, it will be in order to set up a bigger disappointment later.

Last Ro8 OSL showed us that Artosis Curse beats Bomber's law.

First lost to Bomber 0:3

So what are your thoughts?
May be the older one supposed to be the srtongest?
Pseudoscientific discussion is welcome.
Thanks

Ps: BTW is the any other laws? The only other one I know is: GSL Code S has 32 players - but MVP is the one who wins it all ,
Just another Curse was brought up: EG Curse I forgot about that one
Artosis Curse or Bomber Law
Poll: Which one is stronger?

Artosis Curse (687)
 
82%

Bomber Law (87)
 
10%

I don't belive in neither of them (42)
 
5%

They are equally strong (25)
 
3%

841 total votes

Your vote: Which one is stronger?

(Vote): Artosis Curse
(Vote): Bomber Law
(Vote): They are equally strong
(Vote): I don't belive in neither of them



Curse Theories so far:
    Jacmert theory
    + Show Spoiler +

    On July 28 2013 17:27 Jacmert wrote:
    Guys, I've been meaning to post this, but I think I've finally got a decent psuedo-scientific model (description) of the Artosis Curse.

    Artosis Curse:

    Whenever Artosis predicts someone to win a match or a tournament, the following two factors must be evaluated.

    1) How sure is Artosis in his prediction?
    - (0%) Not sure at all -> 40/40 sure he's right -> (100%) Adamant & hyping the guy up
    2) How sure is the community in comparison?
    - (High agreement) Does the community fall in solid agreement with Artosis? -> (Minimal agreement) Or is the community extremely skeptical (or perhaps in disagreement with Artosis)?

    My theory for the Artosis Curse is that as the sureness of Artosis' prediction approaches 100% and as the sureness of the community's prediction approaches minimal agreement -> the odds of the player winning goes towards 0%.

    TLDR: If Artosis is sounding really sure, while the community isn't that sure, the player is probably cursed.

    A Couple Anecdotal Examples:
    WCS KR Season 1 Finals - Innovation was hyped over Soulkey and Artosis was very sure about this. The community was also quite sure, however. In the end, I think this led to a "weak Artosis curse" effect, which would be a good explanation for why InnoVation practically had the match won at 3-0 and then lost 4 straight to throw away the series. (Result: Mildly cursed)

    Innovation vs Bomber - I think Artosis was very sure that Innovation would crush Bomber. Community seemed quite in agreement, but I think a significant minority of Bomber fans who disagreed. In the end, Bomber 2-0'd InnoVation. (Result: Strongly cursed)

    First vs Bomber - Artosis sounded ABSOLUTELY sure that First was going to crush Bomber. Apparently, First had shown the best PvT that Artosis had seen recently from anyone, while Artosis didn't have much faith in Bomber's TvP. I think the community was at least split 40/40 (yes, that's the second reference in one post) or in favor of Bomber, especially after seeing him crush InnoVation. (Result: Strongly / very strongly cursed)

    Myungsik - Please see http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1j33t7/the_result_of_artosis_tweet_regarding_myungsik_at/ (Result: Cursed)

    Next for discussion:
    I believe there's a parallel but opposite effect we've seen in Starcraft 2. I call it the Bitterdam Buff. So far, it applies only to (P)iG.Jim. That man is virtually unstoppable, especially recently. At least in game - US visa application troubles and IEM disqualifications seem to be his Achilles heel. And let's not forget how he (and the other Chinese players) ended up not even being able to sign-up for / play in the WCS AM Season 1 Premier League qualifiers. But man, have you seen his games?



    Zealously formula
    + Show Spoiler +

    On July 29 2013 03:21 Zealously wrote:
    After careful consideration, I have devised a formula that decides the magnitude of a blessing or curse for a Korean Starcraft II player (for a foreign player, their chances of winning are divided by 3 because foreigners tend to suck

    So we get a formula of

    NPT / (B-S)

    + Show Spoiler +

    Number of blessings given (alternatively number of curses given): N
    Power of curse/blessing: P
    Length of time (days) since last curse/blessing cast upon a player: T
    The player's tendency to self-implode or show off until he dies (See Bomber or Taeja): S
    Amount of players not cursed/blessed remaining in the tournament: B (likely a Boring player)


    In Bomber's case, with maths behind me, I think it's safe to say that he's going to against Rain


grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
July 28 2013 07:07 GMT
#2
Hmm
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:09:07
July 28 2013 07:08 GMT
#3
If Bomber wins GSL, then Bomber's law will probably never allow him to never win a game ever again. I fear for him.

Artosis Curse and Bomber's Law can never directly face each other because while Artosis Curse is a direct thing, Bomber's Law is always looking to the future, he always has time in the future to disappoint.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:08:49
July 28 2013 07:08 GMT
#4
I think Bomber will lose.

Not because of the "Artosis curse", but because Rain is pretty good.
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
July 28 2013 07:09 GMT
#5
On July 28 2013 16:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
I think Bomber will lose.

Not because of the "Artosis curse", but because Rain is pretty good.


ARE YOU DOUBTING THE ARTOSIS CURSE?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:11:23
July 28 2013 07:10 GMT
#6
On July 28 2013 16:09 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 16:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
I think Bomber will lose.

Not because of the "Artosis curse", but because Rain is pretty good.


ARE YOU DOUBTING THE ARTOSIS CURSE?


nah, just that I think Rain is a BAMF, regardless of what Artosis predicts.


...even though the last time I recall Rain and Bomber playing, Bomber won (though this was the last MLG before HotS?).
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 28 2013 07:12 GMT
#7
On July 28 2013 16:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
I think Bomber will lose.

Not because of the "Artosis curse", but because Rain is pretty good.


Honestly, Rain is not that much better than First at PvT, so who knows.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:14:25
July 28 2013 07:13 GMT
#8
Bomber could definitely take the whole thing. I still remember the mlg where I became a bomber fan. He dropped 7-8 mules in a low econ situation vs zerg when the game was still close and there were banelings on the field. I just sat there totally baffled and then I realized Bomber plays for fame and glory, not the win. :D
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havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:17:44
July 28 2013 07:15 GMT
#9
Thing is, Artosis curse only works if he really believes it. Just because he says something doesn't mean he believes it deep down inside. It can't be used for good or evil, loss or gain.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 28 2013 07:15 GMT
#10
i think bomber is going to
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imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:19:34
July 28 2013 07:16 GMT
#11
Bomber's Law can never be wrong. If he does well it's just so he can fail even worse in the future. He will either lose 4-0 to Rain or in the finals he will lose in the most one sided 4-0 StarCraft has ever seen or will ever see.
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Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
July 28 2013 07:19 GMT
#12
On July 28 2013 16:16 imallinson wrote:
Bomber's Law can never be wrong. If he does well it's just so he can fail even worse in the future.

So when he wins gsl he will fall to a 10 year slump
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 28 2013 07:20 GMT
#13
On July 28 2013 16:13 TRaFFiC wrote:
Bomber could definitely take the whole thing. I still remember the mlg where I became a bomber fan. He dropped 7-8 mules in a low econ situation vs zerg when the game was still close and there were banelings on the field. I just sat there totally baffled and then I realized Bomber plays for fame and glory, not the win. :D


Well, everyone pretty much remember Bomber vs MKP on Daybreak, final game of the GSTL between Startale and Prime.
I still have in my head that moment Bomber drop the back of MKP's main at the bottom main, dropping a ton of MULES with it.

Aaand he lost the game.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:21:58
July 28 2013 07:21 GMT
#14
Well now that we have the new tier of the WCS regional finals, perhaps if Bomber wins the OSL he'll just lose terribly in the regional final ro32 >__>

that or he'll retire xD
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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:25:09
July 28 2013 07:24 GMT
#15
On July 28 2013 16:12 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2013 16:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
I think Bomber will lose.

Not because of the "Artosis curse", but because Rain is pretty good.


Honestly, Rain is not that much better than First at PvT, so who knows.


I disagree, First hasn't shown anywhere near the consistency Rain has in PvT. I think there is actually a much bigger gap than imagined.


On July 28 2013 16:21 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Well now that we have the new tier of the WCS regional finals, perhaps if Bomber wins the OSL he'll just lose terribly in the regional final ro32 >__>

that or he'll retire xD



Bomber lost to Sora 2-0 in the WCG qualifiers. A protoss player.

Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
July 28 2013 07:45 GMT
#16
Bomber has already ruined my liquibet, he may as well have the decency to win.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
July 28 2013 07:48 GMT
#17
The tournament will probably be cancelled to avoid this predicament.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-28 07:50:09
July 28 2013 07:49 GMT
#18
Bomber is one of a handful of players to have lost, not because of throws or mistakes or decisionmaking, but because he wants to showboat. It's really quite the achievement.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
July 28 2013 07:54 GMT
#19
Khaldor just gave Bomber the Khaldor Blessing for this OSL, now who wins!?!?!
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
July 28 2013 08:03 GMT
#20
On July 28 2013 16:15 Fionn wrote:
i think bomber is going to


Fionn curse! :D
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