You can try tank/turret rush, but then again it's not effective

Sometimes I try wraith/tank push as well, and it's a little more effective.

in general though, there isn't much you can do

AutumnLight

Ukraine2488 Posts

March 07 2004 04:34 GMT

well for starters,play more maps then only LT and you will be able to succeed in other strategies besides mass droping...3 fact vults is a good strategy on ramp-less maps such as bifrost,guillotine. 2 port wraiths can help you on island maps to kill the initial dropship etc..

ObsoleteLogic

United States3676 Posts

March 07 2004 04:36 GMT

you can 1 fact tank exp, you can 2 fact tank exp (vs obvious gols), you can 2 fact tank/gol ground, all sorts of good stuff! Watch reps of ArtOfHan/[kor]-Oddysay/EsSay_kr (all the same guy)

AutumnLight

Ukraine2488 Posts

March 07 2004 04:40 GMT

and you can go nada style 2 port 2 fact vult/wraiths..which will probably fail

but it's fun to try anyway

SoMuchBetter

Australia10606 Posts

March 07 2004 05:36 GMT

you could play PvT or ZvT instead

BigBalls

United States5354 Posts

March 07 2004 05:43 GMT

i always chose the good old f10 eqq

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

March 07 2004 05:53 GMT

so do something else.

just do the classic 2 fac tank, defend his silly drop, float your rax to spot the cliff and have the exp for free ..

..go gollies yourself with later port, kill his drop with no loss to yourself and be ahead.

seems pretty easy.

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

March 07 2004 05:58 GMT

bunker! ;|

Pafnucy

Poland1124 Posts

March 07 2004 06:23 GMT

#10

yea, 1 fac expo, variations of 2 fac gol -> expo or -> drop/expo, 2 fac vult => expo or 2 fac vult => 2 port wraith

DJEtterStyle

United States2766 Posts

March 07 2004 06:35 GMT

#11

TvT is just boring... if you don't like it, either don't play it, or cheese every game so that you either win or lose quickly. ^^

Klogon

MURICA15980 Posts

March 07 2004 06:41 GMT

#12

TvT is by far the best same race by same race match-up. Obviously you haven't done much ZvZ have you? ZvZ is far more repetitive but requires so much skill to win.

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

March 07 2004 06:45 GMT

#13

zvz is by far the worst matchup, you're right on that

i don't know if i like tvt more than pvp though, both are pretty entertaining

SoMuchBetter

Australia10606 Posts

March 07 2004 07:19 GMT

#14

i like all mirror matchups and if i was good enough i would probably race pick TvT ZvZ and PvP (and ZvR)

Liquid`Drone

Norway28707 Posts

March 07 2004 07:19 GMT

#15

I usually try something fun like vulture rushing, sometimes with a hidden starport so I can vulture drop them and shit. seems like the only way to end the matchup fast. tvt IS boring, and there's really nothing you can do about it.

and it's possible to make zvz different and fun. hydra queen really isn't bad when you have the timing down.

StaSiS

United States147 Posts

March 07 2004 07:21 GMT

#16

PvP is the most varied same-race MU imo...

Levu

Germany675 Posts

March 07 2004 07:24 GMT

#17

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x[ReaPeR]x

United States3447 Posts

March 07 2004 08:20 GMT

#18

ZvZ is pretty cool because usually it's a lot more fast paced.

TvT is cool if both players are good at it, but I suck so when my opponent choses Terran I dread the ensuing game.

MPXMX

Canada4309 Posts

March 07 2004 09:23 GMT

#19

You can go 2 fact vult rush with mines and then speed upgrades (1 or two addons). Don't tech for a while, mine the shit out of his choke and expo... if you make many vultueres, he won't be able to drop soon cause he'll need choke protection. Then bring tanks to contain/try to deny expo.

Tank opening works really well against 2 fact golies. Research siege, leave like 1 tank at home, with good micro its possible to defend 4 goli drop with like 1-2 tanks. His siege will be late, you'll be able to do some damage with turret/tank.

Also try going goli without dropship. The money saved by foregoing the dropship tech will buy you faster siege tanks and a faster expo.

There is enough variation imo.

Codditer

United States70 Posts

March 07 2004 09:49 GMT

#20

PvP is so fucking boring on Lotem. I'd much rather play TvT - the play seems much faster and more dynamic, as opposed to sitting in your base for twenty minutes making dragoons. It seems offensive action is too easily punished in Lotem PvPs, which is a reason that I have been experimenting with alternative strategies to the regular zealot/goon/temp/reaver medley.