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GooDGaMe
Profile Joined August 2003
United States989 Posts
March 07 2004 10:00 GMT
#21
Drone is basically right, try to make the matchup fun, don't do the same build every game, mix it up each time. There will always be the 30-40+ mins games that end up in mass turret BC battles but hey nothing you can about that-_-;
gl hf ~~
SpuniasauR
Profile Joined September 2003
Australia1500 Posts
March 07 2004 10:33 GMT
#22
go for tank+mass scv repair rush like boxer did to colla[hyo] in wcg thats always fun but hard to micro! and he won tvt in about 6-7 minutes
A firebat to your Zergling.
wlanedbz
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States158 Posts
March 07 2004 11:25 GMT
#23
nuke rush
You know whats funny........dead people
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
March 07 2004 11:48 GMT
#24
On March 07 2004 14:43 BigBalls wrote:
i always chose the good old f10 eqq


ctrl q >
Diablo3 ID: Exalted#1710 -------R.I.P. http://hasuwar.isgsa.org. Much love to Toptalent
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
March 07 2004 11:50 GMT
#25
GOD I despise TvT. I realize that this is due to the fact that I suck at it, and it always seems to be a turtling tank match eventually evolving into a BC battle, and whosoever has more...wins. As for advice, you can try to make 4 goliaths and a drop ship quickly. That's pretty handy, you can out micro tanks using the ship and kill lots of scvs. Turrets suck though.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
March 07 2004 15:41 GMT
#26
maybe tank turret rush from their natural and float there when they goliath drop you... eh.. probably not.
FroZZoR
Profile Joined October 2002
China925 Posts
March 07 2004 15:49 GMT
#27
an interesting build i never got the time to learn was 1 fact tank/1 starport build. It's extremely good vs anything but 2 port wraith, so u might want to look into that
There can be only one
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
March 07 2004 15:58 GMT
#28

I remember watching a TvT game, forgot who exactly. They were at 12 and 6, and had the same damn exact builds going. They even lifted off their rax and floated at each other at the same time. I think they only broke mirror was when one went mines and the other siege.
Moonlight Shadow
baal 2
Profile Joined March 2004
24 Posts
March 07 2004 16:08 GMT
#29
go mines and dont make your first expo under a cliff.
asdf
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
March 07 2004 16:33 GMT
#30
On March 08 2004 00:49 FroZZoR wrote:
an interesting build i never got the time to learn was 1 fact tank/1 starport build. It's extremely good vs anything but 2 port wraith, so u might want to look into that


If you go gas before rax on this you can have cloakwraiths and siege mode with constant wraith/tank building .. its a nice art build ..
ModeratorFather of bunnies
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
March 07 2004 17:08 GMT
#31
how vulnerable is gas first to cheeses?
koehli
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany350 Posts
March 07 2004 19:16 GMT
#32
fastexpansion with tank / turret -> mass upgraded metal + lockdown/nuke
works for me and takes the need to use mucho dropships as you can try to
- nuke harrass expansions
- nuke lingering dropships - no red spot
- perimeter nuking: you can nuke tanks staying out of siege range by using blastradius for enhanced range.
- nuke tank encampments and follow up with all army go
- try to make him "flee" before a nuke into your sieged tanks ;-)

A REALLY cool special I had in a recent game:
EMP his comsats and then nuke "right in his face" where he even knows where your ghost is. Opponent was so busy checking his comsat that he left half his army in the nuke ;-) and went "wtf, didn't scan for a minute or so, :o"

Sounds like a newbie strat and it is in a way. But just don't try funky stuff at start, make a flawless build getting fastest tank/turret and early game should be survivable. And lategame you'll have an assload of interesting possibilities.

+ if you are contained you should have a ghost in a ship to nuke harrass and also possibly be able to nuke your way to freedom

+ dropdefence: if he dropped his golli / tanks and sieged, you can run in your cloaked ghosts, lock sieged tanks and take out the dropforce with attackmoving metal armies ;-)

+ you can rely on lockdown vs battlecruiser so just tech straight to 3 3 metal (tank/gol), ignoring air tech. This is highly cost efficient, as Battlecruisers tend to majorly "slurp" your gas.

+ if he builds bcs remember to get emp/+ one vessel to emp those medics that he'll build for restore spell and emp medics before lockdown.

gg,
expecting to loose, you'll be amazed how often this wins (at least for me) ;-)
You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
March 07 2004 23:52 GMT
#33
TvT is the best game.If it bores you,probably chess bores you too.Vs 2 fac gols,go fast exp-->2 fac tanks with m/b bay over the exp.Its only an opening though..You gotta practice...
MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
March 08 2004 00:15 GMT
#34
can we EMP Constat?
oO~~
I Love Hyori Lee =* icq: 41760400 / msn: kayen_chn at hotm
koehli
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany350 Posts
March 08 2004 00:42 GMT
#35
On March 08 2004 09:15 Kacas wrote:
can we EMP Constat?
oO~~


we can and it really made my day when i used it :D
You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
SunShine
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands787 Posts
March 08 2004 02:06 GMT
#36
tvt fun strats mass vultures, marine rush thats it ;o i play tvt allot andu dont get much chance to do anything but the standard crap because if u dont u die
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
March 08 2004 06:03 GMT
#37
Winning is always fun.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
IcedEarth
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States3661 Posts
March 08 2004 06:24 GMT
#38
Emp comsat can be countered. If he knows where the ghost is, all he has to do is move an scv right next to the cloaked ghost then siege attack til the ghost is dead.
Guardian guardian guardian of the blind
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
March 08 2004 07:12 GMT
#39

Wow. I NEVER knew the comsat could be EMPed. ^_^
Moonlight Shadow
koehli
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany350 Posts
March 09 2004 00:21 GMT
#40
On March 08 2004 15:24 IcedEarth wrote:
Emp comsat can be countered. If he knows where the ghost is, all he has to do is move an scv right next to the cloaked ghost then siege attack til the ghost is dead.


That's pretty cool, didn't think about that ole "antilurkertrick". Anyways, it's actually a lot harder to pull of then vs lurks/dts, nukeing ghosts don't blur and there are no spikes either, so you really have to remember the last position of blur. Good luck; if it stops you from moving away your scvs, all the sweeter if you fail to get the ghost ;-)
You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
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