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On January 03 2013 06:54 yamato77 wrote:
TL Mafia LVIII is where the more experienced players attempt to destroy each other's lives with ridiculous amounts of posts.
This newbie mini is where you want to be, believe me.
I agree with one of your sentences. (HINT: ITS THE SECOND ONE)
But only so you can try if you like the game, and learn the basics. Which is what newbie games are for.
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Alright, we're still short of a single confirmation PM.
You know who you are.
Looks like we're gonna be able to start tomorrow, if the stars align.
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I was that late to the confirmation party?
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Not really too late, considering you had until tomorrow.
I'm contemplating just going YOLO and starting the game now. Feedback on this glorious idea?
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On January 03 2013 09:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Not really too late, considering you had until tomorrow.
I'm contemplating just going YOLO and starting the game now. Feedback on this glorious idea?
i suggest a policy lynch of the host for using YOLO
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Sure, why not, I think everyone has waited for a long time for this game to start ^-^
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This is the one time I would like a YOLO.
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Don't speak bad of the YOLO!
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On January 03 2013 10:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
Don't speak bad of the YOLO!
There's a time and place for it. I was merely commenting that this is one of them.
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Okay, standby while I go YOLO. Role PMs going out, approx. gamestart @ 01:30 GMT (+00:00)
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Day 1
![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xwveSlesdAM/SSwc3q25uCI/AAAAAAAAAFs/4CAWNr_zrus/s400/cgon33l.jpg) More accurate than you would think.
Dandel Ion had a grand new business idea: Free hugs for everybody.
Sadly, the income was not so great. Even worse was when he forgot to tell people about it. The real problem though, lay within the quite literal interpretation he gave the term "everybody".
Suffice to say, people were none too happy about it. Which is weird, because everybody should be able to appreciate a good ole hug. Or so Dandel Ion thought.
As in every bad soap opera, Dandel Ion met the love of his life while he was busy with working out this hugging stuff. It was iamperfection. That was not actually his real name, but to Dandel Ion, it might as well have been.
They lived in happiness but not until ever after, because along came a twisted crook - so twisted, he shall be called thrawn for the sake of this story.
thrawn2112 shut off the TV. "Those damn soap operas, always the same shit and it's racist against us thrawny peoples again and they don't even exist anyways."
A well-timed growling thunder could be heard just as this preposterous sentence was finished. thrawn2112 was not quite certain if he was supposed to deny the existence of this thunder too, but he figured he could give it a pass since the perfect timing was really dramatic and sometimes you just need some emphasis, even if it doesn't matter.
A second clap of thunder could be heard. This one less forgivable since he didn't say anything dramatic yet. Angrily, thrawn2112 started to deny it's existence with zeal.
His efforts were interrupted by an angry mob. While technically, the mob also didn't exist, thrawn2112 was already busy un-existing the thunderstorm, and on top of that, it would probably be unpleasant if the mob started smashing his house in and then proceed to flay him alive. While technically that didn't matter either, he learned early in his Nihilistic career that with some things, you have to forget about their non-existance for a while.
thrawn2112 opened the door and faced the mob.
"Dandel Ion and iamperfection lie dead, united eternally in death! And we clearly saw the dramatic thunderstorm around your house! Obviously it's your fault. Bet you're one of those thrawny Nihilist guys to boot! Fellow aspiring Übermenschen, unite!" Yelled the elected mob-spokesman.
All things considered, thrawn2112's response was pretty sensible:
"Well that totally matters to me and life is not meaningless. Trust me guys."
Unfortunately, he forgot to turn off the red paint after his last dramatic sentence. Whoops!
thrawn2112 has been slaughered by a mob of angry Substantialists!
Dandel Ion and iamperfection died, but this being a bad soap opera, the writers forgot to mention it, so we don't know how!
The Substatialist Mob has tasted blood and seeks to eradicate all those lazy pesky serial-murdering Nihilists!
The Nihilists keep murdering people in their free time, because really, you might as well.
Game has started. It is now Day 1. You have 47.5 hours to decide on a lynch.
To vote for a lynch candiate of your choice, type "##Vote: marvellosity" in the thread. Voting is mandatory. You may vote for a no-lynch.
This game uses Plurality lynch. The one with the most votes at the end of the day gets lynched. In case of a tie, the one that got to the number (or a higher number) of votes first gets lynched.
IMPORTANT: Day 1 deadline will be at 01:00 GMT (+00:00) as a one-time-only deal. the night deadline and all consecutive will be at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) as intended.
gl, hf and don't forget to bugger your coaches about everything and anything.
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Weird theme, but I can deal with it 
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Very well, I might as well get the discussion started:
2 questions:
1) Lynch all Lurkers or not?
If I could, I would probably change this policy to "suspect all lurkers". While lurking benefits mafia more, it isn't necessarily a scummy action. However, they should be pressured to contribute to the scumhunt and give up what information they know. So while it's a good place to start looking, it shouldn't make the town get tunnel vision as they put pressure on lurkers and let scum who are active go undetected.
2) How would the mafia try to get us to mislynch a townie?
I'll save this answer for after more people have discussed it.
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Whoa didn't expect it to start tonight. I'm extremely tired guys and I was about to go to sleep till I saw the PM. I'll catch up tomorrow when I wake up x.x
Quickly though - for those of you who played with me last game my views stay the same for Policy lynches.
We shouldn't lynch the lurkers D1 just because they aren't active, we need to actively scum hunt and push our top scum reads. I WILL lynch liars though. Townies don't need to lie in this game.
That's all I've got to say about that I'm looking forward to this getting going!
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I haven't even read it yet Syl. Soooo tired. g'night guys
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My position is the opposite of Omni's. Lying is justifiable but lurking is not. Death to he who lurks!
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On January 03 2013 10:36 cDgCorazon wrote:1) Lynch all Lurkers or not?As promised ... Show nested quote +
"I am all for discouraging lurking, but policy lynching should never be a substitute for scum hunting. This game is about building well reasoned cases against suspected scum, pressing them, and the discussing and logically evaluating the cases on the strength of the evidence. When town is able to foster active, productive discussion, lurking is just another scummy behavior to be used to build up a case against suspicious players, and prolonged lurking in particular becomes more suspicious as the game continues.
There is never a good reason for town to lurk. Only by discussing our reasoning and lines of thought can we hope to find and eradicate scum. Town must never clam up for fear of making mistakes -- 1. it is through discussion that we may hope to correct errors in reasoning; and 2. more importantly, in the event of a mislynch, it would leave trail for others to follow. Hence, a silent townie is a far more useless than a bad townie.
I feel that it is futile to try to set predefined activity standards for what amounts to lurking; every game varies. Quality is also important. Insofar as fostering a healthy level of activity goes, this game is off to a good start; what we need to do now is to keep the discussion going. When we do get to the point when a few individual players are clearly standing out as not contributing productively (whether as a consequence of lurking or otherwise) we shall evaluate those cases at that time.
Policy discussion is nice to start the ball rolling and get people posting, but now that a good chunk of us are here, we need to switch our focus to scum hunting soon.
I did promise I would quote Cakepie In all seriousness though:Now that I am aware of my alignment I can go ahead with my plan to hopefully reduce lurker play styles. My intention is every 12hrs, I will post a summary post which is going to give a count of every players posts in that interval. Depending on the effort required, I may also summarise how many I think are fluff, and how many are (IMHO) genuine attempts to scum hunt. My expectation is that this will highlight to all players: who is trying to contribute, and who is flying under the radar.
The knock on effect is, this tool should help stimulate town discussion and present additional options for scum hunting, and person(s) to apply pressure.
2) How would the mafia try to get us to mislynch a townie?Simple. They will most likely do nothing. As evidenced in Newbie Mafia XXXIII, active townies were lynching townies who deviated from the status quo and built up confirmation bias until a wagon started. All the mafia had to do was stay silent, and let the townies do the work. This leads to a valid point raised by Spaghetticus in Newbie Mafia XXXIII. Show nested quote +
The fact that there is almost zero effort by anyone to change the subject of our lynchery screams silently as to the lack of frustration expressed by covert scum.
By lynching this early with no resistance, not only are we denying ourselves the opportunity to collect more data for day two, we are almost certainly doing the scum’s jobs for them.
LASTLY
3) What time zone are you in?
Can players please confirm time zone, so at least we can appreciate whether responses are not to be expected.
I am +8 GMT (thus, deadline is 8am for me)
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