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GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
September 07 2011 17:33 GMT
#121
On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability.


Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right.


Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq


Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?


why not?


I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?'

"why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action.

"why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further.

So cut the crap. Why?
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 07 2011 17:59 GMT
#122
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 07 2011 19:27 GMT
#123
I'm not role fishing, im simply stating that I think everyone has an ability. No one needs to counter claim that, but I half my fun in mafia is speculation. Don't think anyone should be voting anyone yet, we need 9 for a lynch, so silly accusations aren't gonna cut it 5 minutes into the game.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 07 2011 20:31 GMT
#124
Wow xtfftc figured out the whole scumteam from our first posts. Someone give him a medal.
wat
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 07 2011 20:34 GMT
#125
Nice day post. I suppose it's game on then. I thought you guys were still trolling each other.
Life can only kill you once.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 07 2011 20:56 GMT
#126
On September 08 2011 04:27 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm not role fishing, im simply stating that I think everyone has an ability. No one needs to counter claim that, but I half my fun in mafia is speculation. Don't think anyone should be voting anyone yet, we need 9 for a lynch, so silly accusations aren't gonna cut it 5 minutes into the game.


What does needing 9 for a lynch have to do with your idea that we shouldn't be voting each other?
wat
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
September 07 2011 21:06 GMT
#127
On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:
On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability.


Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right.


Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq


Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?


why not?


I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?'

"why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action.

"why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further.

So cut the crap. Why?


Calm down broski.

It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right.
if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again.
##vote:ggq
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 07 2011 21:22 GMT
#128
On September 08 2011 05:56 Curu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 04:27 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm not role fishing, im simply stating that I think everyone has an ability. No one needs to counter claim that, but I half my fun in mafia is speculation. Don't think anyone should be voting anyone yet, we need 9 for a lynch, so silly accusations aren't gonna cut it 5 minutes into the game.


What does needing 9 for a lynch have to do with your idea that we shouldn't be voting each other?


I yes I forgot this is TL where we know the mafia team based off literally one sentence, and then taking what someone says and changing it to something completely different. All while thinking you are helping town.

Did I say we shouldn't be voting each other? I know "yet" is a small word, but I would hope people would look for keywords in sentences that change their meanings. Apparently not.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 07 2011 21:27 GMT
#129
On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:
On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:
On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability.


Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right.


Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq


Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?


why not?


I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?'

"why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action.

"why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further.

So cut the crap. Why?


Calm down broski.

It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right.
if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again.
##vote:ggq


Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing".

Bum: I think everyone has a role
GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree
JeeJee: rolefishing

?

But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"!

##vote:ggq
Together but separate, like oatmeal
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
September 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#130
I'm still wondering why 9 votes to lynch means we shouldn't be voting anyone yet.

You have a lot of "people misrepresented and twisted words, they're scum" in your posts but you're doing the exact same thing. GGQ did not point any finger at you, he was asking JeeJee why he chose to vote GGQ instead of you.
wat
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
September 07 2011 22:18 GMT
#131
On September 08 2011 07:01 Curu wrote:
I'm still wondering why 9 votes to lynch means we shouldn't be voting anyone yet.

You have a lot of "people misrepresented and twisted words, they're scum" in your posts but you're doing the exact same thing. GGQ did not point any finger at you, he was asking JeeJee why he chose to vote GGQ instead of you.


I'm not going to waste energy explaining why votes in the first 2 minutes aren't helpful, you can achieve the same amount of pressure just talking about someone.

GGQ could have pointed out that what he was doing was not rolefishing. Instead he gave an excuse about how he shouldn't be the focus. He had no intention of standing behind what he said if it brought focus on him, and in that JeeJee is completely justified in voting for him. And I've already stated that I disagree with JeeJee voting ggq early, because it was a vote based on nothing, an early vote with no reasoning behind it, which we shouldn't be doing. Now it's a solid vote and I will join him. Nothing was twisted in GGQ's post. He could have stood behind what he said, but now he's making it perfect obvious that there will be legitimate reasons for voting him.
Together but separate, like oatmeal
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
September 07 2011 22:32 GMT
#132
On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:
On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:
On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:
On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability.


Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right.


Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq


Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?


why not?


I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?'

"why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action.

"why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further.

So cut the crap. Why?


Calm down broski.

It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right.
if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again.
##vote:ggq


Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing".

Bum: I think everyone has a role
GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree
JeeJee: rolefishing

?

But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"!

##vote:ggq


I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game.

1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning

2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy

3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me.

4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote.

5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread.

6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town.

7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning.

8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it).
b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum.

9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here...

To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
September 07 2011 22:33 GMT
#133
On September 08 2011 07:18 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 07:01 Curu wrote:
I'm still wondering why 9 votes to lynch means we shouldn't be voting anyone yet.

You have a lot of "people misrepresented and twisted words, they're scum" in your posts but you're doing the exact same thing. GGQ did not point any finger at you, he was asking JeeJee why he chose to vote GGQ instead of you.


I'm not going to waste energy explaining why votes in the first 2 minutes aren't helpful, you can achieve the same amount of pressure just talking about someone.

GGQ could have pointed out that what he was doing was not rolefishing. Instead he gave an excuse about how he shouldn't be the focus. He had no intention of standing behind what he said if it brought focus on him, and in that JeeJee is completely justified in voting for him. And I've already stated that I disagree with JeeJee voting ggq early, because it was a vote based on nothing, an early vote with no reasoning behind it, which we shouldn't be doing. Now it's a solid vote and I will join him. Nothing was twisted in GGQ's post. He could have stood behind what he said, but now he's making it perfect obvious that there will be legitimate reasons for voting him.


At what point did you think I was backing off of what I said? Did you think that from reading my post? Or from reading JeeJee's post?
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
September 07 2011 22:40 GMT
#134
On September 08 2011 02:59 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 00:56 sandroba wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:25 iGrok wrote:
Lets do this


With a smurf in the game, I have nothing to base your actions off of. I want you to contribute a lot, so that I can get a good read off of you.

Until then, you make me uncomfortable.

##Vote Bayonet Anderson


Yo iGrok, if you are going to start a RVS why do you go out of your way to make it neat and make it seem justifiable? You ought to know that's no valid reason to vote, why make it seem so?

I consider that a valid reason to vote. With no setup knowledge other than my own role, I'm a little on edge anyways.


iGrok, your second post here exhibits the same behavior that sandroba called you out for in your first post. sandroba points out that you are going out of your way to justify yourself in your first post. You are doing the same thing here again, by saying that you are "on edge" and explaining why. Why are you trying to justify yourself so much? Are you nervous?
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
September 07 2011 22:48 GMT
#135
On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:
On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:
On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:
On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:
On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability.


Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right.


Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq


Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?


why not?


I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?'

"why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action.

"why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further.

So cut the crap. Why?


Calm down broski.

It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right.
if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again.
##vote:ggq


Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing".

Bum: I think everyone has a role
GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree
JeeJee: rolefishing

?

But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"!

##vote:ggq


I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game.

1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning

2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy

3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me.

4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote.

5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread.

6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town.

7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning.

8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it).
b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum.

9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here...

To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys?


Yeah, no.

First, you're trying to shift blame yet again, except this time it's on me. Cute, but it ain't gonna fly.
Second, you are getting emotional and defensive, hence the 'calm down'. I don't think calm people say 'cut the crap' -- it's people who get frustrated. And I think I know why you're frustrated.

Second, no, your answer did not point out the flaw in my vote. Compare these two responses, both to the same accusation:
Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?

I'm not role fishing, im simply stating that I think everyone has an ability. No one needs to counter claim that, but I half my fun in mafia is speculation. Don't think anyone should be voting anyone yet, we need 9 for a lynch, so silly accusations aren't gonna cut it 5 minutes into the game.

Which one of these is shifting the blame and which one of these is pointing out the problem with the accusation?


Third, if you haven't figured it out, my vote on you obviously wasn't based on anything as it was the beginning of the game. Hence the 'why not'. As per your reaction though, I'm quite happy to have it remain where it is.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 07 2011 23:04 GMT
#136
Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 07 2011 23:05 GMT
#137
edit: I'd like you to...
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
September 07 2011 23:10 GMT
#138
Also let's get to posting people, more than half the players in this game are completely inactive. Unfortunatelly we have no info on the setup, so I don't think discussion on roles will take us anywhere as of now. Let me just say that if I think you are good and you start making ridiculous acusations and being unreasonable you will not be excused =P
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
September 08 2011 00:04 GMT
#139
I'm not suspicious of Bumatlarge anymore. He knows he said nothing wrong, pointed it out and closed the case against him. And I doubt it that GGQ is crumbling under the "pressure" applied to him; it's looks much more like flexing muscles to me. He's putting himself out there quite a lot without any actual pressure on him.

JeeJee though. His analysis of the 'cut the crap' bit. GGQ is so obviously trying to look like a "no screwing around" type of player and talking like this is part of his tough image. Yet JeeJee is trying to twist this into being emotional and crumbling under pressure. Fake, pompous - yes. But GGQ was acting like this before the accusation. He used the same tone to reply to me when he didn't have to defend himself because I accused JeeJee and Bumatlarge. I find it suspicious that a good player such as JeeJee doesn't notice such things, especially when there was less than one page to analyse.

On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote:
xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv.

If by that you mean that I'm not showing any signs of protecting mafia as a medic this game, then yes, my behaviour is 100% different. I am wiser now, having played one game is better than having played no games at all.

On a serious note, the problem with your argument is that I got into trouble in XLIV precisely because of the very same behaviour: accusing four players in no time. The only thing you can read in this is that I'm a bad player but this is something we all know.

Anyway, it is easy to be active if you're mafia at this point, which means that being quiet becomes just as easy. The sooner the arbitrary one-line accusations transition into something better structured, the better - and if it takes a cocky quasi-trollish post that annoys some townies, well, it's worth it anyway.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
September 08 2011 00:10 GMT
#140
On September 08 2011 07:32 GGQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote:
On September 08 2011 06:06 JeeJee wrote:
On September 08 2011 02:33 GGQ wrote:
On September 08 2011 02:23 JeeJee wrote:
On September 08 2011 01:12 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:15 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:04 GGQ wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability.


Given that we have 4/16 mafia, I imagine that you're probably right.


Oh boy let's rolefish some more.
##vote:ggq


Hm, if you think that's rolefishing, why vote for me and not bum, who brought it up first?


why not?


I think it's pretty clear that when someone does something, 'why?' is a far more relevant question than 'why not?'

"why?" has one clear, defined answer that helps to clarify your action.

"why not?" has infinite hypothetical answers that just obscure it further.

So cut the crap. Why?


Calm down broski.

It's very simple. When reacting to an accusation, townies tend to point out flaws with the accusation, since they know the accusation is wrong. Scum tend to try and shift the blame elsewhere, since they know the accusation is right.
if my vote didn't count since it was before Ace's post (although after 13KST), I'll re-write it here again.
##vote:ggq


Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing".

Bum: I think everyone has a role
GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree
JeeJee: rolefishing

?

But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"!

##vote:ggq


I'm going to go over all this again, just so it's clear to everyone in this game.

1) bumatlarge speculates before the game starts that everyone has an ability, providing no reasoning

2) I agree and provide some reasoning. I still stand by this post and don't think that it's scummy

3) JeeJee accuses me (or both me and bum? he isnt clear) of rolefishing and votes for me.

4) I did not address his accusation of rolefishing. I think it's silly, because I think it's clear that I wasn't rolefishing and I'm unconcerned by this vote.

5) I ask JeeJee why he chose to vote and accuse me instead of bum, since that seems completely arbitrary to me. I want to know his reasoning; I want him to explain himself so that the town can better judge both me and him. I want things clearly spelled out in the thread.

6) JeeJee responds with "Why not?" I've already explained why this is a terrible answer. It doesn't help with clarifying anything, and it only leads to more confusion and obfuscation, which is distinctly anti-town.

7) JeeJee tells me to "calm down". Nothing in my post indicates that I'm not calm. He is trying to make it seem like I'm getting defensive/emotional when I don't believe that my post indicates anything like that; it's just cold reasoning.

8) JeeJee then says "It's very simple. etc" as though he's responding to my question of "Why?" He then gives his explanation that townies point out flaws in accusations while scum try to shift blame. a) First of all, this explanation has some truth but it's improperly applied. I was not trying to shift blame. I was not trying to FOS or divert suspicion to bumatlarge. In fact, I was doing exactly what he says townies do; I pointed out that the accusation was flawed because it was arbitrary and poorly explained (even though I gave him an opportunity to explain it).
b) Secondly, this is not an answer to my question of "why?" His explanation is basically that my question of "why" is the answer to itself; the answer to "why did you vote for me instead of bum" is because I asked that question. Clearly this is circular reasoning. JeeJee, you still haven't answered why you voted/accused me instead of bum.

9) then bum jumps on the bandwagon against me based on the incorrect assumption that I was pointing fingers at him. Curious how bum and JeeJee are interacting here...

To sum up, JeeJee and bum have been misinterpreting and misrepresenting me. This is something that is done either by scum trying to lead a mislynch or by townies who fail at reading comprehension. Which one are you guys?


This is a big heaping dose of OMGUS. Your entire argument is based on the fact that JeeJee has accused you and apparently misunderstood some of your behavior. You end it with a noncommittal statement and don't even bother voting for someone you just accused of being scum. Oh wait, you accused bum as well by association. You're looking like a good first lynch right about now.
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