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Birthday
Profile Joined September 2010
17 Posts
September 24 2010 07:13 GMT
#61
China. I'd say both languages are equally hard to learn but Chinese will be much, much more useful.

And... I'm going to put it like this: most people who praise japanese culture usually know very little about it and what they do know is often superficial. I'd recommend you read up about cultures of both countries before you make your choice. Read up as in a book from a library, not on the Internet.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 24 2010 07:22 GMT
#62
Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong either way. Just make a decision and go with it.

The way I see it, both languages are probably equally as hard, the culture is gonna be equally as different as what you're used to, and pretty much everything we're talking about is gonna be a drastic change whether you move to Japan or China.
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crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
September 24 2010 07:40 GMT
#63
I think studying aboard in China will be much more useful. I'm pretty sure China will be the next big thing (if its not already) and learning Chinese will be much more useful for business/jobs than Japanese.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 07:44:02
September 24 2010 07:42 GMT
#64
On September 24 2010 14:21 Cambium wrote:
Overall, I think Japan will be less of cultural shock to you than China.

Maybe it's just me, but this is actually a negative for me. I'd much rather live in a place where my limits are pushed and I have to always be quick on my feet rather than a place that's comfortable. Of course both Japan and China will be a bit of a shock but I suspect, like you said, that China is more of one. Dirtier, stranger, probably more dangerous. Then again, living on a college campus might not be very different in either country.

I guess another thing to pay attention to is what is college culture like in each place. I have no clue, but I'm sure the culture at colleges and universities is much different than in the rest of society.
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ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
September 24 2010 08:55 GMT
#65
Japan is a free society. China is not.

For me personally, I would have problems living in China. But Chinese will be much more useful than japanese.

The problem with Japan is that their economy is not doing good and their population is shrinking and getting older. If you're interested in technology however I still think Japan would be the most interesting country. They have a lot of top notch research and very successfull companies.
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x2fst
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
1272 Posts
September 24 2010 09:03 GMT
#66
beer is like 30c a bottle in china...
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Deleted User 37864
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
780 Posts
September 24 2010 09:07 GMT
#67
Being Chinese and having been to Guangzhou and Japan................
I suggest going to Japan to study.

Japan is much cleaner and developed. College is a breeze there too.

Basically, China is a great place for shopping, but horrible place to live.
Japan is too expensive to buy anything, but so fun to live at.
ioldarnech
Profile Joined April 2010
France36 Posts
September 24 2010 09:09 GMT
#68
Japanese is much easier to learn than Chinese is, especially to pronounce. It's also easier to read and write.

Don't listen to the cultural shock b/s. Especially from people who haven't lived there or haven't learned the language. What is true though is that China still has a lot of poverty which can be quite shocking to an European, but isn't as bad as India for that matter.
When I first went to Japan I could neither read nor speak Japanese, so I did feel like an illiterate idiot trying to find my way but total cultural immersion fixes that very quickly.
Japan really is expensive though.

English is next to useless in Japan so you really should spend 3-6 months learning the basics if you want a smooth, easy start.

I married a Japanese girl so I'm biased but I'd chose Japan over China anytime for a long stay. But to be honest, China is so vast, it's a bit like asking : which is best, Poland or Russia? What I can say is that, for having spent quality time in Tokyo, Kyoto, Fukuoka, Osaka and having visited a lot of Japan, its a great country. I like the south (Kyushu) better.
The excess of formality is tiresome but they don't really expect foreigners to totally conform to their social code so, unless you meet exceptionally close-minded people, its quite easygoing.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
September 24 2010 09:25 GMT
#69
china not because I'm chinese but look at it more long term

china is on the rise. it will be a big player in the future of the world's economy. simply having lived in the culture gives your CV a gigantic boost, and then you learn some broken mandarin... it's going to be a lot more useful than japanese for sure.
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Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
September 24 2010 09:25 GMT
#70
I don't understand why culture is being cited as a reason you shouldn't be going to China. It's not like Chinese people are going to kill you just because you can't use chopsticks or something, so it's a way to learn about a culture that is very different from yours first-hand.

True, if you mingle with the locals there might be some discomforting situations but shouldn't be a reason not to go.

Maybe you should look at the universities and decide solely based on that.
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bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 09:38:42
September 24 2010 09:32 GMT
#71
China will be most likely be more worthwhile in your life, I wouldn't study somewhere just because you "enjoy their culture". You can do that kinda thing in a gap year or extended holiday, with China's current status in the world I'd say it would be a far more practical place to study.
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
September 24 2010 09:42 GMT
#72
China is awesome there are lots of markets where you can buy expensive stuffs for cheap price the quality is good aswell. A friend of mine went there he bought lots of gucchi prada, armani and nice watches, cell phones and when he came back he sold them for good price to his friends( he made huge profits. My friend bought an Iphone 4 for my over there and the quality is the same but way more cheaper. People are way too kind there aswell and its beautiful. If i would study there i would make sure to make some money when coming back.
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Tru_m4n
Profile Joined September 2009
162 Posts
September 24 2010 10:12 GMT
#73
Go and visit both places and make your own decision. A couple years ago I had pretty much decided on learning japanese and eventually moving there, then I went on a trip to Japan and Taiwan, and finally I chose Taiwan and mandarin instead. I don't regret it. There are huge differences in the living standard though, as many people have mentioned already. Japan is A LOT cleaner and overall more westernized in my opinion. However I want it to feel like I'm actually abroad when I move halfway around the globe. It's a matter of personal preference though =)

As for the languages, I think japanese pronounciation is much easier than chinese (I'm also north european like OP), but chinese really isn't that hard, it's just an image that westerners tend to have... Like "how can you learn chinese, it always sounds the same, impossible to understand anything!!". I admit the tones can be tricky for a westerner since we don't have tones in our languages, but the incredibly simple grammar more than makes up for it in my opinion. Chinese grammar is much easier to learn than japanese (also my japanese friends say this). being very straight and just... simple. Might be worth thinking about.
Then there's the characters. I believe most people think that japanese is easier because there aren't that many kanji to learn, and most of the texts you find are hiragana or katakana. I, however, only find it to be annoying and confusing when there are three different types of characters in a single sentence, I like the flow in chinese much more, at least it's easier for me to read. Think of it as having roman letters, cyrillic ones and greek letters in one sentence.

What finally made me decide for mandarin (and Taiwan) was that I really love the way it sounds... again, it's the taiwanese accent mandarin I'm talking about, and it's pretty different from the mandarin you'll hear in for example Beijing. Japanese for me sounds very hard and rough, while mandarin imo is more smooth and friendly for the ears.

Once again, I think you should try to visit both places before you decide where to go and what to study, it can really change your mind.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
September 24 2010 10:29 GMT
#74
China is better. Chinese is a better language to learn nowadays.
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Fanharijo
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway12 Posts
September 24 2010 10:32 GMT
#75
Yes , visiting both places would be the best option , but considering that I am currently in school and don't really have that much money to spend , I will have to make the decision unseen so to speak.

One other thing which might be worth considering is that at my university there is alot of chinese students who I might practice chinese with.
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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 11:33:57
September 24 2010 10:44 GMT
#76
On September 24 2010 19:12 Tru_m4n wrote:

Japan is A LOT cleaner and overall more westernized in my opinion.


Japan's, well Tokyo's even more industrialized than the west. It's fucking Bladerunner city, good or bad depending on how you look at it. Can't say I enjoy living in sardines cans though, places like Tokyo and Hong Kong are terrible to live for me.

I think Caucasians have an image problem with Chinese is just cus nobody knows jackshit, not even the basics. Pinyin isn't English, and it's not pronounced like English, at all. All that racist chingchong gibberish that Caucasians made up's all from listening to overrepresented Cantonese, which is just a regional dialect. Mandarin's the common language, learn that.

China's in the midst of industrializing its cities, and it's got a lot of cities. This isn't Japan or England little island level of industrialization, this is at least x10 times larger n scale. I don't think they stopped building new infrastructures in the last 15 years. Things are constantly churning. I know Norway was shitpoor before Denmark gave it some fishing grounds or whatever which turned out to be bajillion dollars in oil and stuff. The level of transformation is gonna be like that, come time it'll be unrecognizable.

Can't say I have a preference cus really it's just two places, and neither will be anything like you could imagine beforehand. Just pick one and go. I want to pick up Spanish in one of the Latin countries (not Spain), I don't think "more industrialized" fits into my decision at all, being a man and all.
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Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-24 10:46:06
September 24 2010 10:45 GMT
#77
NVM my post
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 24 2010 11:11 GMT
#78
Japan is awesome, I used to live there. The food is better, the people are nicer, the cities are cleaner, the language is easier, contrary to what many people have said they're REALLY nice to foreigners in most places and the girls are hotter .
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 24 2010 11:17 GMT
#79
Also, I'm living in Korea atm and one of my friends had a year in China for a homestay. His experience was terrible. His host family was some old Chinese guy named "Build the Country" in Chinese (which is a pretty common name if you were born in like 1950 or something) and he said the guy was just a complete dick to him, gave him one blanket in the winter where it's below 0 degrees so he had to sleep in his clothes all the time, yelled at him and called the college to tell them "if he was my son I'd hit him" and messed with all his shit. When he was leaving on the last day Uncle Build the Country yelled "DON'T EVER COME BACK" at him as he left.

This is just a story I heard from my friend, who's like the nicest guy in the world.

But seriously, go to Japan. Fuck all that "Chinese is more practical" shit, business is done in English everywhere and there is no way in hell that you are learning Chinese or Japanese well enough to do business from a year of homestay anyway. I lived in Japan for 5 years and my parents are both Japanese and I can't speak it well enough to do business, much less Chinese which has 20 words that are spelled exactly the same but mean different things based on your intonation.
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Scoop
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland482 Posts
September 24 2010 11:17 GMT
#80
I wouldn't want to be on my toes with everything I do so I don't get executed for doing something that's against some silly communist party's law.
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