EPT[WCG] Finals Day 3 2012 - Page 12
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:44 Wombat_NI wrote: The most broken build were close-spawn Human players doing militia/tower rushes on Turtle Rock. My god. Dear god... that shit was soo fucking annoying. | ||
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:46 Wombat_NI wrote: Also I didn't follow much WC3 back in the day at the pro level, outside of the occasional WCG. This Ted guy seems to be doing pretty well with UD, but I was under the impression that they were considered the 'UP' race? Is it a case that he's currently playing fulltime unlike Moon and is that why he's doing better, or is he just really, really good? He just recently picked the game up again. He didn't play for over a year. | ||
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Fullback
Argentina170 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:46 Wombat_NI wrote: Also I didn't follow much WC3 back in the day at the pro level, outside of the occasional WCG. This Ted guy seems to be doing pretty well with UD, but I was under the impression that they were considered the 'UP' race? Is it a case that he's currently playing fulltime unlike Moon and is that why he's doing better, or is he just really, really good? I hear Undead is really weak against Orc (and orc is popular). Against other races, they're not so bad. Besides that, I'm not sure. Also Tobi casting WC3 = Funny . | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:46 Wombat_NI wrote: Also I didn't follow much WC3 back in the day at the pro level, outside of the occasional WCG. This Ted guy seems to be doing pretty well with UD, but I was under the impression that they were considered the 'UP' race? Is it a case that he's currently playing fulltime unlike Moon and is that why he's doing better, or is he just really, really good? okok. Undead vs Human = balanced Undead vs Nightelf = maybe even slightly better for UD, but pretty balanced Undead vs Orc = are u fucking kidding me Blademaster a-click win :/// Well its not THAT bad, but its pretty good for Orc - and there was a shitton of Orcs :D €: And: TeD was the best UD player in the world for over 3 years, id say from 2007-2008 ish on. Its not rly suprising he beats Moon who plays Sc2 a lot. TeD bought himself a little restaurant in china as far as i remember, so he doesnt rely on progaming anymore. The whole decoration is warcraft 3 - the seeds are moonwells and so on. Pretty cool :D | ||
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figq
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:49 KalWarkov wrote: okok. Undead vs Human = balanced Undead vs Nightelf = maybe even slightly better for UD, but pretty balanced Undead vs Orc = are u fucking kidding me Blademaster a-click win :/// Well its not THAT bad, but its pretty good for Orc - and there was a shitton of Orcs :D €: And: TeD was the best UD player in the world for over 3 years, id say from 2007-2008 ish on. Its not rly suprising he beats Moon who plays Sc2 a lot. TeD bought himself a little restaurant in china as far as i remember, so he doesnt rely on progaming anymore. The whole decoration is warcraft 3 - the seeds are moonwells and so on. Pretty cool :D Most Chinese old school progamers aren't progamers any more, they aren't paid for playing, they all got full time jobs and play when they can. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27480 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:49 KalWarkov wrote: okok. Undead vs Human = balanced Undead vs Nightelf = maybe even slightly better for UD, but pretty balanced Undead vs Orc = are u fucking kidding me Blademaster a-click win :/// Well its not THAT bad, but its pretty good for Orc - and there was a shitton of Orcs :D €: And: TeD was the best UD player in the world for over 3 years, id say from 2007-2008 ish on. Its not rly suprising he beats Moon who plays Sc2 a lot. TeD bought himself a little restaurant in china as far as i remember, so he doesnt rely on progaming anymore. The whole decoration is warcraft 3 - the seeds are moonwells and so on. Pretty cool :D That's pretty sick info, my friend told me about the restaurant but I actually didn't believe him at the time, cool to get some corroboration there. I was just wondering because I've heard like, the European players (especially Nani) making out like UD was completely gimped I also have a kind of flawed idea of how WC3 matchups are balanced because, I was like really atypical in my Nelf preferences. I'd be like a Terran player now whose best matchup is TvZ I guess  Nelf vs Hu - My best matchup, by far Nelf vs Ud- Was ok at this Nelf vs Orc- Was pretty bad at this considering how it was supposed to be a Nelf-favoured matchup Nelf mirror- Godawful at it for some reason. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:46 Wombat_NI wrote: Also I didn't follow much WC3 back in the day at the pro level, outside of the occasional WCG. This Ted guy seems to be doing pretty well with UD, but I was under the impression that they were considered the 'UP' race? Is it a case that he's currently playing fulltime unlike Moon and is that why he's doing better, or is he just really, really good? TeD is probably the best UD in War3 history, but he just recently picked up the game again in the past few months (so prob. same amount of prep as Moon). UD's also slightly favored against NE but not by too much. But yes, TeD is amazing, is one of the only UDs to maintain a decent win-rate against Orc (say, closer to 50% than 30% ), and his micro has always been top-notch. Additionally, there aren't many UDs of his caliber to practice with when you're prepping a MU these days; I think the only top UD would be Lucifer.Anyways T____T Moon. Gluck TeD in the finals. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:46 Wombat_NI wrote: Also I didn't follow much WC3 back in the day at the pro level, outside of the occasional WCG. This Ted guy seems to be doing pretty well with UD, but I was under the impression that they were considered the 'UP' race? Is it a case that he's currently playing fulltime unlike Moon and is that why he's doing better, or is he just really, really good? TeD was always a beast. He slumped for about a year, but aside from that year, he was the best UD in the world. Most UD's said that they were UP, and that statement is true vs Orc, but TeD won everything anyways (except for when the top Orcs were in their top shape). | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
ROFL WOLF CASTING QQSPEED: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/WCG D Yes, Wolf! Edit - Sad to see not as many views. Your favorite casters casting random games = fun. Edit 2 - Looks like it's over though (Stream D when Wolf was casting that kart game). Too bad, I enjoy Wolf in general. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27480 Posts
I once played vs a guy in custom who had 4kToD's aka Yoan Merlo's actual account. I was blown away by how bad this guy was, considering he'd bought a pro player's account lol. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On December 01 2012 17:01 Goldfish wrote: It's 1 hour to it, if I'm correct.While waiting for dota.... | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 01 2012 17:01 Goldfish wrote: While waiting for dota.... ROFL WOLF CASTING QQSPEED: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/WCG D Yes, Wolf! Edit - Sad to see not as many views. Your favorite casters casting random games = fun. If I am seeing the right game it looks like a retarded combination of mario kart and gran turismo... | ||
GTR
51715 Posts
On December 01 2012 17:05 mrtomjones wrote: If I am seeing the right game it looks like a retarded combination of mario kart and gran turismo... it's just a reskin of kartrider. they even have the same sfx. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 01 2012 16:57 Wombat_NI wrote: That's pretty sick info, my friend told me about the restaurant but I actually didn't believe him at the time, cool to get some corroboration there. I was just wondering because I've heard like, the European players (especially Nani) making out like UD was completely gimped I also have a kind of flawed idea of how WC3 matchups are balanced because, I was like really atypical in my Nelf preferences. I'd be like a Terran player now whose best matchup is TvZ I guess Nelf vs Hu - My best matchup, by far Nelf vs Ud- Was ok at this Nelf vs Orc- Was pretty bad at this considering how it was supposed to be a Nelf-favoured matchup Nelf mirror- Godawful at it for some reason. FWIW, both Lucifer and Believe don't think that the Orc vs. UD MU is that bad. Lucifer says that it's normally 55-45 in favor of Orc (if you're not facing off some UD killer like Grubby or Lyn at their peaks), but with the right maps it's perfectly manageable. Believe said something like UD is just a race that's punished more heavily for mistakes and that you just need to play better, lol. In terms of representation, I think we had the best of each race here but HU and arguably NE. Orc, Fly and Lyn. UD, TeD. NE ... difficult to say because there are so few well-performing NE these days; it's kind of sad to say this, but I honestly think TH000's NE off-race is better than Remind, but Remind has military coming up, and Moon -- I was surprised to see him playing here. HU could've used more TH000, period; if not TH000, then definitely Kenshin, possibly Yumiko. | ||
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Goldfish
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Krossfire
Australia1071 Posts
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