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On May 24 2012 06:50 Cwall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 06:40 TaraBabcock wrote:OK arguments end here, please stop the debating. To each his own, and thanks to TL admins for leaving my thread up and for those in support of me. I shall prove myself, if I have not already.  I will only post on topic stream-related things and answers to stream/SC2/gaming questions from here forth.  this is an on topic stream-related thing though Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 06:41 crms wrote:
I don't see the big deal. So what even if she was in fact maliciously trying to cash in on nerds by appealing to nerd stereotypes and showing her tits. Is that different then any other eSports company trying to turn a buck? Is it ok to have deceiving marketing campaigns, big capital investment and corporate sponsors that plauge the industry with greasy fat food cause, ya know all gamers are fat nerds? tits = bad, commercial industry = good. Ok, got it. To be honest I'd rather see tits allday then Monster energy cans or hot pocket commercials, maybe that's me.
I won't watch her stream because I don't care to see silver level play regardless of tits but to act like what she's doing is morally reprehensible is laughable.
Sell out to industry, but NEVER to TITS!! Community FIGHTING!! nice straw man, but it doesn't even make sense i never promoted any of the things that you said you're equating a girl promoting her tits in order to get attention for herself to a company that is sponsoring the industry
why are they sponsoring the industry and why is she using her tits? Once you figure it out, it will make sense. It rhymes with honey.
*and to be fair I only used the analogy if she was infact 'maliciously exploiting nerd culture' she probably isn't, but even if she is, whocares.*
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God forbid anybody with more that one iota of personality, good looks, or anything that does not convey stereotypical nerd/nerdette traits should start streaming...
The first impression I got from some people in this thread are: "OMG U GOT TITS GTFO UR RUINING ESPORTS!!11!!". Please... there are literally hundreds of streams that are producing the content you would clearly rather see. Don't like it? Don't watch. Simple.
Besides its not like she put on her swimwear, turned the webcam on, and started to play SC2, it's clear she's putting in some effort to try and provide a different viewer experience. Give the girl a break...
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I don't know why people are giving this girl problems with her stream and how she gets attention when we have 'pros' like destiny who get by with racist language appealing to a 13 year old white male userbase, or for instance Idra, who hasn't had results in months but is still the center of attention to most people due to how he expresses himself. Or maybe this community is still pretty misogynist.
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She can stream if she wants to. If you don't like it don't watch.
I don't see why some prudes are complaining because they think that she is exploiting her sexuality to gain viewers. So what if she is? There are hundreds of streamers out there, she is just trying to distinguish herself from them. Nothing wrong with that.
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On May 24 2012 07:08 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 06:50 Cwall wrote:On May 24 2012 06:40 TaraBabcock wrote:OK arguments end here, please stop the debating. To each his own, and thanks to TL admins for leaving my thread up and for those in support of me. I shall prove myself, if I have not already. I will only post on topic stream-related things and answers to stream/SC2/gaming questions from here forth. this is an on topic stream-related thing though On May 24 2012 06:41 crms wrote:
I don't see the big deal. So what even if she was in fact maliciously trying to cash in on nerds by appealing to nerd stereotypes and showing her tits. Is that different then any other eSports company trying to turn a buck? Is it ok to have deceiving marketing campaigns, big capital investment and corporate sponsors that plauge the industry with greasy fat food cause, ya know all gamers are fat nerds? tits = bad, commercial industry = good. Ok, got it. To be honest I'd rather see tits allday then Monster energy cans or hot pocket commercials, maybe that's me.
I won't watch her stream because I don't care to see silver level play regardless of tits but to act like what she's doing is morally reprehensible is laughable.
Sell out to industry, but NEVER to TITS!! Community FIGHTING!! nice straw man, but it doesn't even make sense i never promoted any of the things that you said you're equating a girl promoting her tits in order to get attention for herself to a company that is sponsoring the industry why are they sponsoring the industry and why is she using her tits? Once you figure it out, it will make sense. It rhymes with honey. *and to be fair I only used the analogy if she was infact 'maliciously exploiting nerd culture' she probably isn't, but even if she is, whocares.*
again, that has nothing to do with what i was saying
nobody said that this is "ruining esports"
the issue here is that this is presented in a superficial way, people point that out, and now people are white knighting the shit out of this and pretending that she's immune to criticism because she's a female
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you guys realize that by arguing with me you're promoting the oversexualization of females?
are you sexists or something?
downvoted.
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Wow, so much hate here from those two guys. Either you are jealous or just stupid. You might have some good arguments, but srsly, what are you trying to achieve? Chill, get out. Just dont bother staying/watching/discussing if you are not interesnted and hate this. I seriously dont get this level of inteligence.
Feel sorry for you Tara.
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On May 24 2012 07:37 lolspoon wrote:
Wow, so much hate here from those two guys. Either you are jealous or just stupid. You might have some good arguments, but srsly, what are you trying to achieve? Chill, get out.
Feel sorry for you Tara.
so you acknowledge that i'm right but you're going to shamelessly namecall anyway
that's weird man
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On May 24 2012 07:38 Cwall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:37 lolspoon wrote:
Wow, so much hate here from those two guys. Either you are jealous or just stupid. You might have some good arguments, but srsly, what are you trying to achieve? Chill, get out.
Feel sorry for you Tara. so you acknowledge that i'm right but you're going to shamelessly namecall anyway that's weird man
"You might have some good arguments" doesnt mean you are right. Because you actually spent a lot of time thinking about what you say - thats the sad thing.
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have we entered an age where critical thought is frowned upon?
it doesn't take a lot of thought to come to these conclusions, anyway
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It always baffles me when people try and argue opinion as fact.
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"opinions"
It's not an opinion, it's actually a factual, directly observable phenomenon
but that's mean so i'm a troll and wrong and it's only my opinion and i'm a nerd
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On May 24 2012 07:19 Cwall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:08 crms wrote:On May 24 2012 06:50 Cwall wrote:On May 24 2012 06:40 TaraBabcock wrote:OK arguments end here, please stop the debating. To each his own, and thanks to TL admins for leaving my thread up and for those in support of me. I shall prove myself, if I have not already. I will only post on topic stream-related things and answers to stream/SC2/gaming questions from here forth. this is an on topic stream-related thing though On May 24 2012 06:41 crms wrote:
I don't see the big deal. So what even if she was in fact maliciously trying to cash in on nerds by appealing to nerd stereotypes and showing her tits. Is that different then any other eSports company trying to turn a buck? Is it ok to have deceiving marketing campaigns, big capital investment and corporate sponsors that plauge the industry with greasy fat food cause, ya know all gamers are fat nerds? tits = bad, commercial industry = good. Ok, got it. To be honest I'd rather see tits allday then Monster energy cans or hot pocket commercials, maybe that's me.
I won't watch her stream because I don't care to see silver level play regardless of tits but to act like what she's doing is morally reprehensible is laughable.
Sell out to industry, but NEVER to TITS!! Community FIGHTING!! nice straw man, but it doesn't even make sense i never promoted any of the things that you said you're equating a girl promoting her tits in order to get attention for herself to a company that is sponsoring the industry why are they sponsoring the industry and why is she using her tits? Once you figure it out, it will make sense. It rhymes with honey. *and to be fair I only used the analogy if she was infact 'maliciously exploiting nerd culture' she probably isn't, but even if she is, whocares.* again, that has nothing to do with what i was saying nobody said that this is "ruining esports" the issue here is that this is presented in a superficial way, people point that out, and now people are white knighting the shit out of this and pretending that she's immune to criticism because she's a female
and I never responded to you to begin with until you called out my 'strawman', why are you even talking to me anyway? If you don't like my analogy tell me why or move the fuck on. You're tiresomely whiny.
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On May 24 2012 07:52 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:19 Cwall wrote:On May 24 2012 07:08 crms wrote:On May 24 2012 06:50 Cwall wrote:On May 24 2012 06:40 TaraBabcock wrote:OK arguments end here, please stop the debating. To each his own, and thanks to TL admins for leaving my thread up and for those in support of me. I shall prove myself, if I have not already. I will only post on topic stream-related things and answers to stream/SC2/gaming questions from here forth. this is an on topic stream-related thing though On May 24 2012 06:41 crms wrote:
I don't see the big deal. So what even if she was in fact maliciously trying to cash in on nerds by appealing to nerd stereotypes and showing her tits. Is that different then any other eSports company trying to turn a buck? Is it ok to have deceiving marketing campaigns, big capital investment and corporate sponsors that plauge the industry with greasy fat food cause, ya know all gamers are fat nerds? tits = bad, commercial industry = good. Ok, got it. To be honest I'd rather see tits allday then Monster energy cans or hot pocket commercials, maybe that's me.
I won't watch her stream because I don't care to see silver level play regardless of tits but to act like what she's doing is morally reprehensible is laughable.
Sell out to industry, but NEVER to TITS!! Community FIGHTING!! nice straw man, but it doesn't even make sense i never promoted any of the things that you said you're equating a girl promoting her tits in order to get attention for herself to a company that is sponsoring the industry why are they sponsoring the industry and why is she using her tits? Once you figure it out, it will make sense. It rhymes with honey. *and to be fair I only used the analogy if she was infact 'maliciously exploiting nerd culture' she probably isn't, but even if she is, whocares.* again, that has nothing to do with what i was saying nobody said that this is "ruining esports" the issue here is that this is presented in a superficial way, people point that out, and now people are white knighting the shit out of this and pretending that she's immune to criticism because she's a female and I never responded to you to begin with until you called out my 'strawman', why are you even talking to me anyway? If you don't like my analogy tell me why or move the fuck on. You're tiresomely whiny.
i don't even know what we're arguing about anymore but the fact that you're compensating for your lack of reasoning/argumentative ability with response to tone and ad-hominem is humorous
okay i'm actually done now, peace
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On May 24 2012 07:53 ELYSiUMlol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:52 crms wrote:On May 24 2012 07:19 Cwall wrote:On May 24 2012 07:08 crms wrote:On May 24 2012 06:50 Cwall wrote:On May 24 2012 06:40 TaraBabcock wrote:OK arguments end here, please stop the debating. To each his own, and thanks to TL admins for leaving my thread up and for those in support of me. I shall prove myself, if I have not already. I will only post on topic stream-related things and answers to stream/SC2/gaming questions from here forth. this is an on topic stream-related thing though On May 24 2012 06:41 crms wrote:
I don't see the big deal. So what even if she was in fact maliciously trying to cash in on nerds by appealing to nerd stereotypes and showing her tits. Is that different then any other eSports company trying to turn a buck? Is it ok to have deceiving marketing campaigns, big capital investment and corporate sponsors that plauge the industry with greasy fat food cause, ya know all gamers are fat nerds? tits = bad, commercial industry = good. Ok, got it. To be honest I'd rather see tits allday then Monster energy cans or hot pocket commercials, maybe that's me.
I won't watch her stream because I don't care to see silver level play regardless of tits but to act like what she's doing is morally reprehensible is laughable.
Sell out to industry, but NEVER to TITS!! Community FIGHTING!! nice straw man, but it doesn't even make sense i never promoted any of the things that you said you're equating a girl promoting her tits in order to get attention for herself to a company that is sponsoring the industry why are they sponsoring the industry and why is she using her tits? Once you figure it out, it will make sense. It rhymes with honey. *and to be fair I only used the analogy if she was infact 'maliciously exploiting nerd culture' she probably isn't, but even if she is, whocares.* again, that has nothing to do with what i was saying nobody said that this is "ruining esports" the issue here is that this is presented in a superficial way, people point that out, and now people are white knighting the shit out of this and pretending that she's immune to criticism because she's a female and I never responded to you to begin with until you called out my 'strawman', why are you even talking to me anyway? If you don't like my analogy tell me why or move the fuck on. You're tiresomely whiny. i don't even know what we're arguing about anymore but the fact that you're compensating for your lack of reasoning/argumentative ability with response to tone and ad-hominem is humorous okay i'm actually done now, peace
nobody knows what he's talking about, for it doesn't make sense nor does it apply to what anybody has been saying
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On May 24 2012 06:21 Cwall wrote:
there's nothing wrong with the fact that you have a modeling career and you like to play starcraft 2
the problem here is that i come to your thread and half of your original post marketing your stream are lewd pictures that have absolutely nothing to do with the game, and this is met with an overwhelming positive reception(what the fuck? i thought i came to teamliquid)
it shocks me that the famous TL moderators allowed something like this to exist for more than five minutes
you have enthusiasm and a good attitude, but honestly, this is fucking ridiculous
Actually I don't understand your argument here...what exactly is wrong with people showing their body off? Incidentally it would be okay for you to post images of your "bulge", if you wanted to exude that kind of appeal and show off your looks. Frankly I don't understand the need to ask a question that basically entails the exact same situation as this one, it would be obviously hypocritical to say no.
Why does e-sports *have* to be about just a game, and only a game? Can it not also have beautiful women and men? Why should those people not be allowed to showcase their beauty, and use it in a way that adds to the enjoyment of a stream?
Or are you one of those people who think that sex or anything sexually related is wrong/immoral, or that breasts are evil somehow? A stream can be about more than a game, if a person wants it to be. People should be proud of their beauty, and if they want to show it off there's nothing wrong with that.
If the stream was her explicitly dancing around with lingerie on then maybe you could argue that it doesn't belong on a gaming site. But she merely uses it as an accessory to her stream, showing off what is an important aspect of her persona.
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oh god my sides
edit: i never said that sexuality and nudity is wrong, i'm just saying that it's hilarious that you retards simultaneously discourage sexism and then worship a silver league stream because the girl is hot
please stop strawmanning
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hey guys here's my video game stream thread but first here's a picture of me almost nude it's relevant on this video game website i swear even though that's not what will be on the stream at all
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