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Losiek
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland32 Posts
December 06 2010 22:18 GMT
#61
WOW it's awesome that Sjow is here. Hope we will see so many ggs. Greetings!
ahbon
Profile Joined October 2010
France325 Posts
December 06 2010 22:27 GMT
#62
Awesome stream i love it!
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
December 06 2010 22:31 GMT
#63
nice, fresh strategy from sjow
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Brutus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
December 06 2010 22:33 GMT
#64
Am I the only one who is surprised? He clicks essential things (cloak/decloack, siege/unsiege), he queues 5 units per baracks/cc/etc while not even under pressure or multitasking or anything, he gets supply blocks often and he doesn't even keybind buildings or anything, just clicks his way through. How can this be a top player in europe?
teumas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden280 Posts
December 06 2010 22:34 GMT
#65
So, SjoW is saying that strat will be OP after the patch when fungal can't hit air. Morrow doubts it..
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
December 06 2010 22:34 GMT
#66
Let me see... he's having a relaxed evening playing friends, his core decision making is good, he's not always on his top game. That kind of stuff?
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
December 06 2010 22:35 GMT
#67
On December 07 2010 07:33 Brutus wrote:
Am I the only one who is surprised? He clicks essential things (cloak/decloack, siege/unsiege), he queues 5 units per baracks/cc/etc while not even under pressure or multitasking or anything, he gets supply blocks often and he doesn't even keybind buildings or anything, just clicks his way through. How can this be a top player in europe?


You're not.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4216 Posts
December 06 2010 22:36 GMT
#68
I saw it came up on the side bar and was like "wut, when did he start streaming?". This answers my question lol.

Thanks for streaming, I downloaded more than a few of your replays to study lol.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Blondinbengt
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden578 Posts
December 06 2010 22:37 GMT
#69
He does keybind buildings, from what I've seen he has Orbitals on 5, Barracks/Factories/Starports on 8/9/0.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4734 Posts
December 06 2010 22:38 GMT
#70
On December 07 2010 07:33 Brutus wrote:
Am I the only one who is surprised? He clicks essential things (cloak/decloack, siege/unsiege), he queues 5 units per baracks/cc/etc while not even under pressure or multitasking or anything, he gets supply blocks often and he doesn't even keybind buildings or anything, just clicks his way through. How can this be a top player in europe?


You are exaggerating a ton. He has his buildings keybound (Orbitals on 5, Rax 0, Fac 9, Starport 8) and he is not constantly supply-blocked. The last game against Morrow on Scrap Station... if hundreds of lings constantly kill your depots, that's probably gonna happen, yes.
You are right about the clicking of cloack and siege, that is really strange to see and probably could easily be improved.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
triforks
Profile Joined November 2010
United States370 Posts
December 06 2010 22:40 GMT
#71
lol he said they are praccing for next patch. just wondering why do they not just do it on the PTR?
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 22:41:45
December 06 2010 22:40 GMT
#72
I now know who Artosis was referencing to when he was asked to give his thoughts on how current top SC2 players would do if they came back to SC:BW in a SOTG.
"well the ones who played sc:bw at a high level prior to sc2 will do fine but..you know those 80 apm terrans who are winning tournaments, yeah they wouldn't even beat a computer."

:p
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Brutus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
December 06 2010 22:44 GMT
#73
On December 07 2010 07:34 Promises wrote:
Let me see... he's having a relaxed evening playing friends, his core decision making is good, he's not always on his top game. That kind of stuff?


When did he make a good decision? You mean when he landed all his vikings to kill 1, yes 1, zergling and then lost all his vikings to mutas? Or when he rallied his 1 helion, saw roaches, but sacked another 2 just for the hell of it. Or when he clumped up all his air forces while he already saw the infestors. Ah well, maybe I am missing something here.

On December 07 2010 07:38 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 07:33 Brutus wrote:
Am I the only one who is surprised? He clicks essential things (cloak/decloack, siege/unsiege), he queues 5 units per baracks/cc/etc while not even under pressure or multitasking or anything, he gets supply blocks often and he doesn't even keybind buildings or anything, just clicks his way through. How can this be a top player in europe?


You are exaggerating a ton. He has his buildings keybound (Orbitals on 5, Rax 0, Fac 9, Starport 8) and he is not constantly supply-blocked. The last game against Morrow on Scrap Station... if hundreds of lings constantly kill your depots, that's probably gonna happen, yes.
You are right about the clicking of cloack and siege, that is really strange to see and probably could easily be improved.


I never saw him using the keybinds, just click on the map to his base to queue up. I am talking about the the time before the lings, he got supply blocked a ton.

Anyway, maybe you guys are right, maybe he is just relaxing and playing a bit vs his team mate. I still think his play seems very underwhelming for someone who is considered a top European player.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
December 06 2010 22:44 GMT
#74
Sjow is proof of how little mechanics matter in sc2. :O Like most C- scrubs on iccup have better mechanics and higher apm.
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
December 06 2010 22:45 GMT
#75
On December 07 2010 07:40 triforks wrote:
lol he said they are praccing for next patch. just wondering why do they not just do it on the PTR?


EU has no PTR, just NA. not everyone owns a NA account
Grack
Profile Joined October 2010
51 Posts
December 06 2010 22:46 GMT
#76
On December 07 2010 07:44 hifriend wrote:
Sjow is proof of how little mechanics matter in sc2. :O Like most C- scrubs on iccup have better mechanics and higher apm.

true sc2 is more about decision making, army composition and build orders
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
December 06 2010 22:51 GMT
#77
On December 07 2010 07:44 Brutus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 07:34 Promises wrote:
Let me see... he's having a relaxed evening playing friends, his core decision making is good, he's not always on his top game. That kind of stuff?


When did he make a good decision? You mean when he landed all his vikings to kill 1, yes 1, zergling and then lost all his vikings to mutas? Or when he rallied his 1 helion, saw roaches, but sacked another 2 just for the hell of it. Or when he clumped up all his air forces while he already saw the infestors. Ah well, maybe I am missing something here.

Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 07:38 Malinor wrote:
On December 07 2010 07:33 Brutus wrote:
Am I the only one who is surprised? He clicks essential things (cloak/decloack, siege/unsiege), he queues 5 units per baracks/cc/etc while not even under pressure or multitasking or anything, he gets supply blocks often and he doesn't even keybind buildings or anything, just clicks his way through. How can this be a top player in europe?


You are exaggerating a ton. He has his buildings keybound (Orbitals on 5, Rax 0, Fac 9, Starport 8) and he is not constantly supply-blocked. The last game against Morrow on Scrap Station... if hundreds of lings constantly kill your depots, that's probably gonna happen, yes.
You are right about the clicking of cloack and siege, that is really strange to see and probably could easily be improved.


I never saw him using the keybinds, just click on the map to his base to queue up. I am talking about the the time before the lings, he got supply blocked a ton.

Anyway, maybe you guys are right, maybe he is just relaxing and playing a bit vs his team mate. I still think his play seems very underwhelming for someone who is considered a top European player.



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1777_SjoW#tblt-5868-1-1-DESC

2 pages full of tournament wins. u can barely argue with results like these. but u are right to a certain extend, if he doesnt improve his mechanics, i expect him to fall behind more and more as sc2 evolves and gets figured out on the tactical and strategical level.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 23:00:14
December 06 2010 22:52 GMT
#78
On December 07 2010 07:45 DoXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 07:40 triforks wrote:
lol he said they are praccing for next patch. just wondering why do they not just do it on the PTR?


EU has no PTR, just NA. not everyone owns a NA account


MorroW and SjoW certainly own NA accounts.

edit: Regarding SjoW's mechanics. I agree they're bad, but he has been tearing through tournaments the last few months in dominating fashion. You can't argue with that. His decision making and "strategery" is above most other pro gamers. That's why his stream should be extremely interesting for everyone. Watch to see how he with intelligence manages to crush souls even with a mechanical handicap compared to other pro gamers.

I'm sure his mechanics will get better over time aswell.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 06 2010 22:53 GMT
#79
Strange discussion here. Of course Sjow would not be that good at bw. Noone assumed something different I think. He has not played it and he developed mechanics that worked in wc3 and that work in sc2.
People should learn from him how to win and quit the stupid apm discussions.
Off-season = best season
Rowa
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium962 Posts
December 06 2010 22:55 GMT
#80
This is awesome ! How I've longed for a High EU Terran stream ♥

I think the lack of mechanics were seeing right now is just sjow chillin' with morrow and testing some funny stuffs. His mecanics while watching his reps with camera lock are a lot better.

Thx for sjowing us a bit of terran awesomeness !
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