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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
So do we repost all the "grassroots" community and other non dota or sc related threads? It's just like dota is some grotesque brother that's being kicked out to live in the shed, while all the extra nice stuff like mafia, other games discussion remains in the main TL house
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On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
I think this change is sad as hell, it feels like being thrown out of a site that I'm visiting since a decade for its content and community.
If I want exclusive Dota 2 content I can visit /r/dota2 or one of the dozen other sites that are dedicated to it. But the reason I didn't do that over visiting the tl.net dota 2 subforum was because it was so much more than that and because it was part of one huge, awesome thing that's been around since ages.
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
To me, personally, teamliquid used to be a homepage in the most literal sense there is. With this change a part of the family living in that home got kicked out to do their own thing and to build their own place.
Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially after Hot bid posted that the dota 2 forum wasn't performing well enough for you guys.
Kicked to the curb. 
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Now get rid of League of Legends plz.
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On May 12 2014 08:58 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
I think this change is sad as hell, it feels like being thrown out of a site that I'm visiting since a decade for its content and community.
If I want exclusive Dota 2 content I can visit /r/dota2 or one of the dozen other sites that are dedicated to it. But the reason I didn't do that over visiting the tl.net dota 2 subforum was because it was so much more than that and because it was part of one huge, awesome thing that's been around since ages.
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
To me, personally, teamliquid used to be a homepage in the most literal sense there is. With this change a part of the family living in that home got kicked out to do their own thing and to build their own place. Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially after Hot bid posted that the dota 2 forum wasn't performing well enough for you guys. Kicked to the curb.
Do you happen to have a link to this?
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I don't like this change. As a follower of both sc2 and dota , the change makes everything complicated. I think it's better having it under on roof. Teamliquid.net is like my homepage for esports news. It's like the yahoo of esports for me.
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On May 12 2014 09:01 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 08:58 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
I think this change is sad as hell, it feels like being thrown out of a site that I'm visiting since a decade for its content and community.
If I want exclusive Dota 2 content I can visit /r/dota2 or one of the dozen other sites that are dedicated to it. But the reason I didn't do that over visiting the tl.net dota 2 subforum was because it was so much more than that and because it was part of one huge, awesome thing that's been around since ages.
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
To me, personally, teamliquid used to be a homepage in the most literal sense there is. With this change a part of the family living in that home got kicked out to do their own thing and to build their own place. Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially after Hot bid posted that the dota 2 forum wasn't performing well enough for you guys. Kicked to the curb. Do you happen to have a link to this?
This thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/450263-introducing-liquiddota?page=8#160
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Will Dota 2 news still be seen here, or no? Is TeamLiquid.net going back to just showing SC related content?
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On May 12 2014 09:02 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 09:01 Dodgin wrote:On May 12 2014 08:58 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
I think this change is sad as hell, it feels like being thrown out of a site that I'm visiting since a decade for its content and community.
If I want exclusive Dota 2 content I can visit /r/dota2 or one of the dozen other sites that are dedicated to it. But the reason I didn't do that over visiting the tl.net dota 2 subforum was because it was so much more than that and because it was part of one huge, awesome thing that's been around since ages.
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
To me, personally, teamliquid used to be a homepage in the most literal sense there is. With this change a part of the family living in that home got kicked out to do their own thing and to build their own place. Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially after Hot bid posted that the dota 2 forum wasn't performing well enough for you guys. Kicked to the curb. Do you happen to have a link to this? This thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/450263-introducing-liquiddota?page=8#160
Thanks, somehow missed it when reading through the thread.
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Why is there no option to have all the Community and other games on liquid dota, i am here since BW i bearly watch sc" anymore, but i am here for the community. If I click On a liquid team news thread on the sidebar it takes me to a new page aswell, i am okay with that, but the sidebar kept it all together.
please dont make me abandon main TL, i rather dump liquiddota and rely on reddit to to post the big articles
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It'll be great to get you dota players off our SC2 site for good. j/k
Nice to see Liquid steadily growing. I hope to see Liquid.CS one day.
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On May 12 2014 09:02 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 09:01 Dodgin wrote:On May 12 2014 08:58 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
I think this change is sad as hell, it feels like being thrown out of a site that I'm visiting since a decade for its content and community.
If I want exclusive Dota 2 content I can visit /r/dota2 or one of the dozen other sites that are dedicated to it. But the reason I didn't do that over visiting the tl.net dota 2 subforum was because it was so much more than that and because it was part of one huge, awesome thing that's been around since ages.
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
To me, personally, teamliquid used to be a homepage in the most literal sense there is. With this change a part of the family living in that home got kicked out to do their own thing and to build their own place. Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially after Hot bid posted that the dota 2 forum wasn't performing well enough for you guys. Kicked to the curb. Do you happen to have a link to this? This thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/450263-introducing-liquiddota?page=8#160
Dota was not growing on TL (at least not at the rate we consider acceptable) and the reason for this is because our Dota audience is just people that already use TL, not new users.
That quote specifically makes me really damn sad. To me that makes this whole thing a pure business decision with everything that implies. Need more unique clicks.
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Now all that's left is for SC2 to be moved off TL and onto its own site. Then, all will be right with the world.
Keke
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I really respect the work TL has done for ESPORTS, for Broodwar, for SC2, for DOTA2, and for Smash. But this move is really really wrong in my opinion.
I can understand creating a dedicated website for the progaming team. But splitting TL.net as a whole seems as a really bad move to me. I for example started watching Broodwar via TL.net, got hyped into SC2, but that slowly died down. But I got hyped into Dota2, alot, thanks to TL.net. And when I go to TL.net, I still end up watching lots of SC2. I open the site, check the live streams, and open everything that seems interesting. Most of the time that is Dota2, but often enought it's SC2, and sometimes its Smash Brothers Melee. You guys really chose your games well in my opinion, and having the site cover them all seems awesome to me.
Yes, the standard argument is that not everyone loves this and lots of people are only interested in SC2 for example. BUT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE SOLUTION! You already have the filters, allowing people only to get SC2 news and streams and stuff!
I guess you care about the people not having an account, thus not having filters. Ok, so what? You could still create two domains, one for DOTA, one for SC2, leading to the same website. Users without an account see the content depending on which domain they used to reach the site! It's an implicit filter. But registered user would still have the advantage of only having to visit ONE site!
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On May 12 2014 09:10 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 09:02 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 09:01 Dodgin wrote:On May 12 2014 08:58 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
I think this change is sad as hell, it feels like being thrown out of a site that I'm visiting since a decade for its content and community.
If I want exclusive Dota 2 content I can visit /r/dota2 or one of the dozen other sites that are dedicated to it. But the reason I didn't do that over visiting the tl.net dota 2 subforum was because it was so much more than that and because it was part of one huge, awesome thing that's been around since ages.
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
To me, personally, teamliquid used to be a homepage in the most literal sense there is. With this change a part of the family living in that home got kicked out to do their own thing and to build their own place. Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially after Hot bid posted that the dota 2 forum wasn't performing well enough for you guys. Kicked to the curb. Do you happen to have a link to this? This thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/450263-introducing-liquiddota?page=8#160 Show nested quote +Dota was not growing on TL (at least not at the rate we consider acceptable) and the reason for this is because our Dota audience is just people that already use TL, not new users. That quote specifically makes me really damn sad. To me that makes this whole thing a pure business decision with everything that implies. Need more unique clicks.
I had typed much more in a few conversations with other people, but Evo pretty much saying everything I would've copied over. I can't argue with the facts(especially since I don't have any of the numbers) that this might be the better decision for making dollars, but I'll be damned if I can't argue that this isn't absolutely a worse decision for what I had always felt like TeamLiquid the site meant.
I guess there is just incongruency in what some of us thought and what the decision makers though.
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On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
Well that's what they are trying to achieve with this change. Dota has absolutely massive player base and they want to tap into that. They don't care if this breaks the "family" feel for the relatively small existing user base.
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On May 12 2014 09:10 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 09:02 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 09:01 Dodgin wrote:On May 12 2014 08:58 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
I think this change is sad as hell, it feels like being thrown out of a site that I'm visiting since a decade for its content and community.
If I want exclusive Dota 2 content I can visit /r/dota2 or one of the dozen other sites that are dedicated to it. But the reason I didn't do that over visiting the tl.net dota 2 subforum was because it was so much more than that and because it was part of one huge, awesome thing that's been around since ages.
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
To me, personally, teamliquid used to be a homepage in the most literal sense there is. With this change a part of the family living in that home got kicked out to do their own thing and to build their own place. Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially after Hot bid posted that the dota 2 forum wasn't performing well enough for you guys. Kicked to the curb. Do you happen to have a link to this? This thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/450263-introducing-liquiddota?page=8#160 Show nested quote +Dota was not growing on TL (at least not at the rate we consider acceptable) and the reason for this is because our Dota audience is just people that already use TL, not new users. That quote specifically makes me really damn sad. To me that makes this whole thing a pure business decision with everything that implies. Need more unique clicks.
Yeah, I've always considered TL a great site for its community, not just the coverage of the professional scene. It is a shame that this happened, it is the first time I have really felt like the people running the show don't care about their existing user base.
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On May 12 2014 09:10 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 09:02 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 09:01 Dodgin wrote:On May 12 2014 08:58 Saryph wrote:On May 12 2014 08:55 r.Evo wrote:
I think this change is sad as hell, it feels like being thrown out of a site that I'm visiting since a decade for its content and community.
If I want exclusive Dota 2 content I can visit /r/dota2 or one of the dozen other sites that are dedicated to it. But the reason I didn't do that over visiting the tl.net dota 2 subforum was because it was so much more than that and because it was part of one huge, awesome thing that's been around since ages.
Now, since it's about two different sites, I'm forced to open something other than teamliquid.net anyway if I want pure content. As for the community aspect... it's highly likely that there will be hundreds and thousands of people with zero connection to the people on teamliquid.net - which turns liquiddota.com into just another place for dota 2 content.
To me, personally, teamliquid used to be a homepage in the most literal sense there is. With this change a part of the family living in that home got kicked out to do their own thing and to build their own place. Yeah, I feel the same way. Especially after Hot bid posted that the dota 2 forum wasn't performing well enough for you guys. Kicked to the curb. Do you happen to have a link to this? This thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/450263-introducing-liquiddota?page=8#160 Show nested quote +Dota was not growing on TL (at least not at the rate we consider acceptable) and the reason for this is because our Dota audience is just people that already use TL, not new users. That quote specifically makes me really damn sad. To me that makes this whole thing a pure business decision with everything that implies. Need more unique clicks.
Yep, not what Nazgul was saying teamliquid was saying they are all about 3 years ago. Remember when we were told 4 years ago or so that this website would never have advertisements?
Money corrupts, even the ones who seemed for a long time to be uncorruptible.
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Well I guess I'm going to have a new tab open on my browser 24/7 now.
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I liked reading the odd article on Dota 2 and hearthstone, I play both but don't care enough to seek out information on them, I fear this will have the same affect on me as liquid hearth, I will come here for SC2 news and just cut out dota 2 content all together.
Not a huge deal to me, but I agree with having it so that people can choose what they want to see.
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On May 12 2014 09:04 Ojahh wrote:
Why is there no option to have all the Community and other games on liquid dota, i am here since BW i bearly watch sc" anymore, but i am here for the community. If I click On a liquid team news thread on the sidebar it takes me to a new page aswell, i am okay with that, but the sidebar kept it all together.
please dont make me abandon main TL, i rather dump liquiddota and rely on reddit to to post the big articles
Basically this. I think it's sad to see Dota fade away from the livestreams and event section on the right. I really liked TL as a hub and site which combined several esports games. Therefore the addition of Dota and Smash were absolutely perfect for me.
The site launched today and there is only Envy left here on TL who is listed at the moment. I would really appreciate if TL would make an option like this for a unified calender and livestreams section, so that you can turn it on in your account settings or something like that.
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