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IEM Katowice 2021 to be held offline but without audience

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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-14 14:39:14
December 14 2020 14:03 GMT
#1


https://www.intelextrememasters.com/season-15/katowice/2020/12/an-update-on-esl-pro-tour-and-iem-katowice-2021/

"The 2021 edition of Intel Extreme Masters Katowice hosting the Championship events for Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, StarCraft II and Warcraft III: Reforged will not take place in Spodek due to the COVID-19 pandemic. (Information for ticket holders is at the bottom of this post.)

All three tournaments are planned to be played without an audience, but as in person competition hosted on location in Europe. Should COVID-19 remain a major barrier to the safety of our talent, players and staff we will then revert to online play in Europe.

The competitions are intended to be played as otherwise planned (with the exception of a date change in the DreamHack Warcraft III Championship):

IEM Katowice: StarCraft II

ESL Pro Tour Masters Championship
Dates: February 23-28 (unchanged)
$500,000 prize purse
36 player tournament (format unchanged)
Check the StarCraft II Overview for details.

We expect that winning IEM Katowice will be as difficult as it ever has been and that it will be the best competition it can be.

We are still looking at options for our future tournaments in 2021 and when we can bring our events back to arenas, and will look to provide an update on this in January 2021.

We understand that many of you have already purchased tickets and are offering these people two options: you may keep your tickets for IEM Katowice 2022 OR you are entitled to a full refund. Ticket holders can get the full information here.

We thank you for your ongoing support during these adaptive times and will keep you up to date. Be sure to follow us on Twitter and check our website for further updates!"


IEM will be releasing more information about the future of the StarCraft II Pro Tour tomorrow:

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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4031 Posts
December 14 2020 14:08 GMT
#2
playing on location is the best we can hope for, let's hope all goes well and smoothly!
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
December 14 2020 14:10 GMT
#3
Should COVID-19 remain a major barrier to the safety of our talent, players and staff we will then revert to online play in Europe.


I gues online play in Europe means, that they would still fly all players from outside Europe in, just not to the same location?
It s phrased a bit weiredly IMO.

Good to see that offline Event without an audience, simmilar to GSL is the intended solution. I belive it s the best option there is at the moment..
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland952 Posts
December 14 2020 14:11 GMT
#4
Pretty much what I expected. I wouldn't really even hold my breath for the offline studio tournament.
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
December 14 2020 14:39 GMT
#5
Makes perfect sense to do it this way.

I don't expect live audiences at major esports events until the 2nd half of 2021 at the absolute earliest, and probably not until 2022.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
December 14 2020 14:41 GMT
#6
As expected tbh. It's still going to be great to finally have a proper offline tournament, which should be possible due to vaccines.
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
December 14 2020 14:59 GMT
#7
Katowice being played offline would be the best solution but playing on EU servers wouldn't be that bad if every player could be flown to Europe; a 500k cross server World Finals event, instead, wouldn't be acceptable.

I believe they could succeed in setting up an offline event, let's hope they will.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
December 14 2020 15:06 GMT
#8
As good as it was going to get, this is good news!
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
December 14 2020 15:09 GMT
#9
this is great news! hopefully there won't be any visa issues
Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
December 14 2020 15:13 GMT
#10
Great news until we get any travel restrictions.
International sport events held in the USA for example are currently pretty weird and a lot of international athletes drop out.
Hope that goes better with poland, really wanna have some offline StarCraft!
Especially when its about the biggest tournament of the year.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 14 2020 15:18 GMT
#11
Really want to know how the next season after Kotowice will look, Less region lock?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
December 14 2020 15:25 GMT
#12
On December 15 2020 00:18 Musicus wrote:
Really want to know how the next season after Kotowice will look, Less region lock?

Speaking of that, I seem to recall Apollo saying they'll announce 2021 plans in November
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13322 Posts
December 14 2020 15:28 GMT
#13
On December 15 2020 00:25 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 00:18 Musicus wrote:
Really want to know how the next season after Kotowice will look, Less region lock?

Speaking of that, I seem to recall Apollo saying they'll announce 2021 plans in November

Apollo lying? no way
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 14 2020 15:38 GMT
#14
Thank (T)Flash god it will be offline!

Off topic: is EPT Finals THE tournament of the year for Counter-Strike? Kinda suprised they "only" got twice the amount of prizepool as Starcraft 2 does (especially concidering that they are 5 players per team)
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
December 14 2020 15:44 GMT
#15
On December 15 2020 00:25 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 00:18 Musicus wrote:
Really want to know how the next season after Kotowice will look, Less region lock?

Speaking of that, I seem to recall Apollo saying they'll announce 2021 plans in November


He later tweeted that they got delayed by unspecified corona stuff. He then said "in a couple of weeks", which lines up well with Heyoka's "tomorrow".
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 14 2020 15:45 GMT
#16
On December 15 2020 00:38 SmoKim wrote:
Thank (T)Flash god it will be offline!

Off topic: is EPT Finals THE tournament of the year for Counter-Strike? Kinda suprised they "only" got twice the amount of prizepool as Starcraft 2 does (especially concidering that they are 5 players per team)


EPT Finals is not THE major tournament of the year for CSGO.
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 14 2020 15:54 GMT
#17
On December 15 2020 00:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 00:38 SmoKim wrote:
Thank (T)Flash god it will be offline!

Off topic: is EPT Finals THE tournament of the year for Counter-Strike? Kinda suprised they "only" got twice the amount of prizepool as Starcraft 2 does (especially concidering that they are 5 players per team)


EPT Finals is not THE major tournament of the year for CSGO.


Cool, is it The International/whatever Valve calls their event? or is that only for DOTA 2?
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-14 16:03:31
December 14 2020 16:00 GMT
#18
On December 15 2020 00:54 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 00:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On December 15 2020 00:38 SmoKim wrote:
Thank (T)Flash god it will be offline!

Off topic: is EPT Finals THE tournament of the year for Counter-Strike? Kinda suprised they "only" got twice the amount of prizepool as Starcraft 2 does (especially concidering that they are 5 players per team)


EPT Finals is not THE major tournament of the year for CSGO.


Cool, is it The International/whatever Valve calls their event? or is that only for DOTA 2?


The International is just Dota. Valve does "majors" for CSGO, but they're run by the normal tournament organizers by bid. EPT finals just isn't one of the majors. It will be the largest tournament in early 2021 because valve canceled the Spring 2021 major though.
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daruka2073
Profile Joined November 2020
15 Posts
December 14 2020 16:03 GMT
#19
OFC! finally we can watch real games
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
December 14 2020 18:35 GMT
#20
Awesome, would have been sad to end the season with ping.
serralfan18
Profile Joined March 2020
99 Posts
December 14 2020 18:35 GMT
#21
Good. There's too many variables that allows a lesser player to beat better players when playing online such as time and lag.
Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
December 14 2020 18:47 GMT
#22
At this point i dont even care about audience, iam just super glad we will have a proper offline event.
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
December 14 2020 19:44 GMT
#23
This is great news but will players accept likely getting quarantined to play in the tournament where half of them will drop out during the first day? In many cases it would mean almost a month of isolation - two weeks in Poland/Europe, another two back home. And if they will, who will cover the expenses for additional two weeks worth of accommodation for all the quarantined players?

Fingers crossed but it looks like a huge organizational challenge.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
December 14 2020 19:57 GMT
#24
On December 15 2020 04:44 stardog wrote:
This is great news but will players accept likely getting quarantined to play in the tournament where half of them will drop out during the first day? In many cases it would mean almost a month of isolation - two weeks in Poland/Europe, another two back home. And if they will, who will cover the expenses for additional two weeks worth of accommodation for all the quarantined players?

Fingers crossed but it looks like a huge organizational challenge.


In theory depending on how they organize things, players could play from quarantine in Europe which means they'll only need to quarantine on the way back. But that and obtaining visas will certainly be a challenge.
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
December 14 2020 20:15 GMT
#25
I'm happy it will be offline for the players. Can't wait for the tourney
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24236 Posts
December 14 2020 20:37 GMT
#26
Fingers crossed. An online WC would sadly be a travesty.
Andi_Goldberger
Profile Joined July 2018
Germany1608 Posts
December 14 2020 21:30 GMT
#27
this is the best possible news for katowice. offline in studio will be a million times better than online! hype!
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-14 22:15:47
December 14 2020 22:14 GMT
#28
definitely has a whole host of logistical issues.but cool if they can pull it off. The international nature of SC2 def makes it more of a challenge.
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tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States363 Posts
December 14 2020 23:13 GMT
#29
Very cool that it will be an offline tournament. Super stoked for all of the matches.
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Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
December 14 2020 23:18 GMT
#30
DAAAmn. Really cool stuff.
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NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
December 14 2020 23:54 GMT
#31
PL gov at it best. heh. such a let down
iMECH_KolosS
Profile Joined November 2020
Canada61 Posts
December 15 2020 00:51 GMT
#32
Makes Sense. On a different note, have they announced in-game perks for watching the event ? Couldn't find info anywhere.
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MrMischelito
Profile Joined February 2014
347 Posts
December 15 2020 07:25 GMT
#33
with SC2, isn't offline still online just with players on site? without audience it wouldn't make much of a difference for me.
that said, it would be nice for the players if they can meet in person
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
December 15 2020 07:45 GMT
#34
On December 15 2020 16:25 MrMischelito wrote:
with SC2, isn't offline still online just with players on site? without audience it wouldn't make much of a difference for me.
that said, it would be nice for the players if they can meet in person


It evens out the conditions for the players which is a huge part of why we consider offline results to be much more valuable.
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2216 Posts
December 15 2020 08:08 GMT
#35
At least it is offline
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6997 Posts
December 15 2020 10:04 GMT
#36
I am really happy that they try to make this offline! If it can't happen, so be it. But at least they tried
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yht9657
Profile Joined December 2016
1810 Posts
December 15 2020 11:31 GMT
#37
I mean offline is great and all but has ESL seriously considered the prospect for non-EU players to actually get a visa and travel to Poland? Like if somehow all the Korean players can't acquire a visa because the government says no what would ESL do about it?
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6997 Posts
December 15 2020 12:13 GMT
#38
On December 15 2020 20:31 yht9657 wrote:
I mean offline is great and all but has ESL seriously considered the prospect for non-EU players to actually get a visa and travel to Poland? Like if somehow all the Korean players can't acquire a visa because the government says no what would ESL do about it?


As fair as I understand if travel to the location isn't possible, they'll try to get players as close to it as possible, so they can host on EU servers only which will minimize lag. Meaning somewhere in Germany, Sweden, Switzerland or whatever
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osliang
Profile Joined June 2019
China108 Posts
December 15 2020 13:26 GMT
#39
Let's be realistic, offline is going to be extremely difficult for Korean and Chinese players. Plane tickets are super expensive, and at the moment non-EU residence can't fly to Poland afaik.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
December 15 2020 13:53 GMT
#40
On December 15 2020 22:26 osliang wrote:
Let's be realistic, offline is going to be extremely difficult for Korean and Chinese players. Plane tickets are super expensive, and at the moment non-EU residence can't fly to Poland afaik.


Travel is paid for apparently, there is a discussion going on twitter that the tournament prize distribution is extremely top heavy and then that came up. Still hope they address the distribution stuff
ytherik
Profile Joined July 2020
199 Posts
December 15 2020 22:53 GMT
#41
On December 15 2020 09:51 iMECH_KolosS wrote:
Makes Sense. On a different note, have they announced in-game perks for watching the event ? Couldn't find info anywhere.


I doubt they will produce any in-game content after they announced SC2 is going into maintenance mode with no further development. If I recall correctly even the artist doing the portraits in previous years tweeted that there will be no portraits this year.
ooCast1
Profile Joined March 2019
25 Posts
December 16 2020 01:05 GMT
#42
I'm concerned about whether non-EU players are even allowed to enter Poland, according to this:

https://www.gov.pl/web/coronavirus/travel#

Looks like players who are not EU citizens are not allowed to enter?
buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
445 Posts
December 16 2020 01:18 GMT
#43
On December 16 2020 10:05 ooCast1 wrote:
I'm concerned about whether non-EU players are even allowed to enter Poland, according to this:

https://www.gov.pl/web/coronavirus/travel#

Looks like players who are not EU citizens are not allowed to enter?


I don't think they will have it in Poland. Perhaps another country in EU.
ooCast1
Profile Joined March 2019
25 Posts
December 16 2020 01:41 GMT
#44
On December 16 2020 10:18 buzz_bender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2020 10:05 ooCast1 wrote:
I'm concerned about whether non-EU players are even allowed to enter Poland, according to this:

https://www.gov.pl/web/coronavirus/travel#

Looks like players who are not EU citizens are not allowed to enter?


I don't think they will have it in Poland. Perhaps another country in EU.


You mean IEM Katowice, even if offline, will not be held in Katowice?
pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States281 Posts
December 16 2020 05:27 GMT
#45
For non-EU players, through they may manage to get visa and have the ability to travel, it is even more difficult to find an airplane and necessary steps (such as nucleic test) to allow them to go back, and they would face another 2 weeks of quarantine at own expense after they are back to home.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6997 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-16 06:52:36
December 16 2020 06:52 GMT
#46
Sweden is and probably will be pretty open to all kind of citizens. Maybe they do it there? With the Dreamhack guys? Who knows
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
December 16 2020 11:15 GMT
#47
ESL sometime back announced that they built a studio to do preliminary CS tournaments offline. Somewhere in western europe, don't recall the exact location. Maybe they'll use that for the world championship.
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ooCast1
Profile Joined March 2019
25 Posts
December 16 2020 18:35 GMT
#48
Will ESL announce the country and location of the offline studio soon?
It takes long time for players of certain countries, such as China, to apply the visa.
Yes, even announcing after DH Last Chance may be too late.
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States878 Posts
December 24 2020 18:54 GMT
#49
On December 17 2020 03:35 ooCast1 wrote:
Will ESL announce the country and location of the offline studio soon?
It takes long time for players of certain countries, such as China, to apply the visa.
Yes, even announcing after DH Last Chance may be too late.


I'm guessing that IEM Katowice will be held in Katowice. Shot in the dark though.
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
December 24 2020 21:22 GMT
#50
The fact that this is offline is nice, but I can't help but feel like it'll weed out some players depending on their countries' covid situation (and visas etc.)
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-27 13:28:34
December 27 2020 13:28 GMT
#51
Korean apologists are going to be in shambles--if one of their players loses they won't be able to blame it on ping I guess "they just don't care" will have to suffice as an explanation.
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 27 2020 14:39 GMT
#52
On December 27 2020 22:28 mierin wrote:
Korean apologists are going to be in shambles--if one of their players loses they won't be able to blame it on ping I guess "they just don't care" will have to suffice as an explanation.


How can you forget "Jet-lag Korean" :o ?
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
December 27 2020 15:28 GMT
#53
On December 27 2020 22:28 mierin wrote:
Korean apologists are going to be in shambles--if one of their players loses they won't be able to blame it on ping I guess "they just don't care" will have to suffice as an explanation.

Yep, and it's not like most of the EU vs KR matches are played on NA with similar ping to both as well
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