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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33637 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-15 19:09:54
November 15 2020 19:09 GMT
#1
As with DHM Summer and Fall, ESL/DreamHack has put out an official viewer feedback survey at the end of the season. Take some time out to respond so they can continue to improve their StarCraft II tournaments!

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xelnaga_empire
Profile Joined March 2012
627 Posts
November 15 2020 20:19 GMT
#2
I wonder if in the final group stages before the playoffs, they would consider making it a best out of 5 instead of best out of 3. I know that GSL has always made it a best out of 3, but I think sometimes there is some luck involved if it's a best of out of 3.

Otherwise, everything went well for this season's ESL. No complaints from me. I like how they have the player cams now for all the games, it makes it much more exciting to see the player expressions.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
November 15 2020 20:58 GMT
#3
On November 16 2020 05:19 xelnaga_empire wrote:
I wonder if in the final group stages before the playoffs, they would consider making it a best out of 5 instead of best out of 3. I know that GSL has always made it a best out of 3, but I think sometimes there is some luck involved if it's a best of out of 3.

Otherwise, everything went well for this season's ESL. No complaints from me. I like how they have the player cams now for all the games, it makes it much more exciting to see the player expressions.


That oul take too long imo, especially for Koreans that already play late..
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
November 15 2020 21:28 GMT
#4
done
overall they're doing a pretty fine job, got to admit
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5536 Posts
November 15 2020 21:35 GMT
#5
First time leaving a negative review. Watching vods after the fact has been a terrible ordeal this time around. Vods on twitch are all mislabled. Youtube hasn't had vods uploaded since the NA finals (5 days ago). The only decent way to watch this tournament aside from live is on sc2links and it takes time to update. Mad props to the guy who runs that. We shouldn't have to rely on a third party service to watch such a "prestigious" tournament as this.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-15 21:43:30
November 15 2020 21:43 GMT
#6
On November 16 2020 06:35 jimminy_kriket wrote:
First time leaving a negative review. Watching vods after the fact has been a terrible ordeal this time around. Vods on twitch are all mislabled. Youtube hasn't had vods uploaded since the NA finals (5 days ago). The only decent way to watch this tournament aside from live is on sc2links and it takes time to update. Mad props to the guy who runs that. We shouldn't have to rely on a third party service to watch such a "prestigious" tournament as this.

that's THE big negative I had too and I mentioned it lenghtily ; otherwise the casting / interviews / production value / organization have been pretty great.
ilax30
Profile Joined November 2019
720 Posts
November 15 2020 22:44 GMT
#7
Yes the vods are mislabeled due to reruns run right after and then the title has rerun in it as well when the stream stops. This should of been changed manually. Anyhow its quite easy to find the correct vod a few hours or 1-2 days afer its been played. But I guess if you missed a stream from 4-5 days ago its a lot harder
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
November 16 2020 04:15 GMT
#8
Imo, player cams should be made mandatory for all - they are getting paid well so this shouldn't be an optional thing, unless there was some unexpected technique issue. Even then, the players should be responsible for their own equipment and have it tested (or have a backup).
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
November 16 2020 04:23 GMT
#9
why not try KR timezone in the next season?
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 16 2020 04:30 GMT
#10
On November 16 2020 13:23 SamirDuran wrote:
why not try KR timezone in the next season?


Presumably that would harm viewership.
ZombieGrub
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States714 Posts
November 16 2020 05:32 GMT
#11
On November 16 2020 13:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2020 13:23 SamirDuran wrote:
why not try KR timezone in the next season?


Presumably that would harm viewership.


It absolutely would. 9am ET (the start time of today) is already pretty early as far as viewership goes, usually ~11pm-5pm is kinda the sweet spot. Something like 11pm - 8am ET would be atrocious for viewership, not to mention limit the commentators/burden the EU-based production.
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buzz_bender
Profile Joined August 2019
446 Posts
November 16 2020 06:23 GMT
#12
On November 16 2020 13:23 SamirDuran wrote:
why not try KR timezone in the next season?


Why not get them to play at their time and then cast from replay at a time with better viewership? We did that for the Team League. At this rate, each Season Final timezone/schedule is against the Koreans, every single time. It's just not fair for them.
pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States282 Posts
November 16 2020 07:37 GMT
#13
Playing at 3:00 a.m. always harm quality of play, which is a huge disadvantage for East Asian.
jy_9876543210
Profile Joined March 2016
265 Posts
November 16 2020 08:30 GMT
#14
Oh, I missed the live game. I want to know what happened.
No VODs?
Oh, it didn't happen then. What the dream? What the hack? I've no idea, I'll pretend I didn't know anything.
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
November 16 2020 08:41 GMT
#15
On November 16 2020 13:15 Azzur wrote:
Imo, player cams should be made mandatory for all - they are getting paid well so this shouldn't be an optional thing, unless there was some unexpected technique issue. Even then, the players should be responsible for their own equipment and have it tested (or have a backup).

We tried to include player cams for Nation Wars and it's basically impossible to have any player cams with Chinese players. And then it makes it akward to only have a player cam when the other player can not send his cam.
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szef
Profile Joined July 2019
1 Post
November 16 2020 09:02 GMT
#16
There should be change in spot distribution. Europe should get another spot from Korea or fight for that place in another playoff match. I mean all finals won by Europe player and now each of Serral, Reynor, Clem you can consider as best and future potentially winner. So there is harder to dozens of Europe players that have EPT points.

And event more harder is with global finals. You can compare that it is quite easy from Korea to qualify to play-in-stage (Ro36) compare to Europe region. For know it looks like 18 x 7 spot places, considering all available places.
StarcraftPeffo
Profile Joined May 2019
Italy66 Posts
November 16 2020 09:31 GMT
#17
I'd love a calendar of who is casting for the next few days. Especially during the group stages, where there's less on the line, I want to watch when there is a casting duo I like.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5536 Posts
November 16 2020 09:56 GMT
#18
Chiming in to say the last vod uploaded on youtube is still 6 days old. Not a single vod from the finals uploaded yet.
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ooCast1
Profile Joined March 2019
25 Posts
November 16 2020 10:27 GMT
#19
On November 16 2020 13:15 Azzur wrote:
Imo, player cams should be made mandatory for all - they are getting paid well so this shouldn't be an optional thing, unless there was some unexpected technique issue. Even then, the players should be responsible for their own equipment and have it tested (or have a backup).


Production wise, yes for the show presentation.
AFAIK not quite possible with Chinese mainland players if the production team use Google Meet. VPN or Proxy can access Google Meet but makes the lag of the game much worse.
Skype, may be possible.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 16 2020 10:38 GMT
#20
On November 16 2020 18:02 szef wrote:
There should be change in spot distribution. Europe should get another spot from Korea or fight for that place in another playoff match. I mean all finals won by Europe player and now each of Serral, Reynor, Clem you can consider as best and future potentially winner. So there is harder to dozens of Europe players that have EPT points.

And event more harder is with global finals. You can compare that it is quite easy from Korea to qualify to play-in-stage (Ro36) compare to Europe region. For know it looks like 18 x 7 spot places, considering all available places.

There should be change in time slot distribution and it's not happening either.
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Linnena
Profile Joined January 2020
5 Posts
November 16 2020 10:48 GMT
#21
The overall match and broadcast are really fascinating ^ ^
Just one problem with the re-run, I think they should pick and rerun some quality matches or just rebroadcast yesterdays matches after the world playoff, instead of re-run matches randomly.
HandsomeZZL1
Profile Joined November 2020
1 Post
November 16 2020 11:15 GMT
#22
Asian players need try to win the game when they are sleeping,why do not they practise before they try not sleep?
RandomPlayer
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation400 Posts
November 16 2020 13:04 GMT
#23
This tourney is the same as BlizzCon finals? The main tourney of the year?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-16 13:24:31
November 16 2020 13:15 GMT
#24
On November 16 2020 22:04 RandomPlayer wrote:
This tourney is the same as BlizzCon finals? The main tourney of the year?

no, this is something more like previous WCS SEASONAL finals from the early WCS system.

Edit> added the word seasonal so it\'s more understandable
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Caussyou
Profile Joined July 2019
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-16 14:00:47
November 16 2020 13:52 GMT
#25
As a Chinese audience,I feel the DH Master Winter is a fantastic match.There are lots of top pro players competing with each other.Im a little disappointed in they can't play offline without much lag.And I always wait for the next game for a few minutes,this surely made me sad.But to be honest, ignoring the small problems,Im so glad i can watch such great matches.Thanks to the sponsor!
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
November 16 2020 14:59 GMT
#26
On November 16 2020 22:52 Caussyou wrote:
As a Chinese audience,I feel the DH Master Winter is a fantastic match.There are lots of top pro players competing with each other.Im a little disappointed in they can't play offline without much lag. And I always wait for the next game for a few minutes,this surely made me sad.But to be honest, ignoring the small problems,Im so glad i can watch such great matches.Thanks to the sponsor!

There is no real way to do offline competitions right now for events like that. It s either online or no cross region play sadly.
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gpanda
Profile Joined December 2017
36 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-16 16:52:25
November 16 2020 16:46 GMT
#27
As yet another Chinese audience, after watching all 3 season finals and seeing East Asia players usually need to play intense games during 1am-3am, and consider the main timezones involved, +08:00 CST, +9:00 KST, 0:00 GMT, +1:00 EET, +2:00 CET, -5:00 EST, I would suggest the organizer reschedule the commencing time from 22:00 to 20:00 CST (i.e. from 09:00 to 07:00 EST).

If NA players feel this a little bit early for them playing, we can even switch between two schedules back and forth, for example, if we start the matches at 07:00 EST in Masters Fall, then we begin them at 08:00 EST in Masters Winter.

I think this is fairer for players living in different regions.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
November 17 2020 00:10 GMT
#28
done.

also thought the global finals should be 1-2 hours earlier.
I think it makes more sense for Neeb to adjust a little than for 6 koreans to adjust.
Also gives the tournament more credibility
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27040 Posts
November 17 2020 19:18 GMT
#29
Really no huge issues bar the mislabelling of VoDs at my end.

Perhaps arranging the schedule to help Korean players in terms of order of play etc. I realise you can’t switch the times wholesale given peak viewership, but even giving some of the Korean players playing a few hours earlier could help in terms of fairness.
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