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TY and Maru to meet again in Code S Finals

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Last Edited: 2020-12-10 01:44:20
October 25 2020 06:37 GMT
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[image loading]2020 Global StarCraft II League: Code S Season 3

It's time for AfreecaTV to bring the fabled G5L trophy out of storage, because Maru is headed to another Code S finals!

Maru advanced from the semifinals after ending the miracle run of Armani, who had shocked the SC2 community by making a deep playoff run after a career full of first round eliminations. Armani actually put up a respectable fight in his 2-4 defeat, which stood in stark contrast to how the other semifinal match went.

TY took a dominating 4-0 sweep over Stats in their semifinal bout, avenging his 2-4 loss to Stats in the previous season's semifinals. TY earned a spot in the grand finals for the second time this year, having previous won the championship in Season 1.

These results set up a rare Code S grand finals rematch, with Maru having previous faced TY in the 2018 Code S Season 3 finals. Maru barely triumphed over TY at the end of a seven game series, which clinched the third of his four consecutive Code S titles.

This season's grand finals is set to be played on Sunday, Nov 01 6:00am GMT (GMT+00:00).

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Recommended Games: TY vs Stats on Golden Wall featured a fan favorite strategy in TvP mech, preceded by an an innovative Battlecruiser opener. Maru vs Armani on Pillars of Gold was a fantastic skills showcase for Armani, who added to his string of strong late-game performances by swarming over Maru.


Semifinal 1: TY 4 - 0 Stats



Game 1 - Ice and Chrome: TY opened by proxying his Barracks out in the middle of the map, a mind-game to keep Stats on his toes when his Probe found no Barracks in the main. TY's actual plan was to go for some one base tech back at his main (the Probe scout having left to look for the missing Barracks) and go for an Armory-Mine drop + Hellion elevator. Stats played a safe defensive Blink+Robo build, but still gave up 7 Probe kills to harassment.

The situation wasn't the best for Stats, but it became disastrous when he tried to counter-attack with his Blink Stalkers. He recklessly Blinked on top of a Siege Tank, and lost a huge chunk of his Stalkers to the Marines and Auto-Turrets he wasn't ready for. Facing absolutely no pressure from Stats, TY was free to keep building up on three bases and prepare for a big mid-game push.

Eventually, TY moved out and laid siege to Stats with a 30 supply army advantage, having Tanks and Vikings to support his Infantry. Stats had managed to squeeze out a handful of Colossi, Disruptors, and Templars in the meanwhile, but the sheer numbers of the Terran force were too much to handle and he was forced to GG out.

Game 2 - Eternal Empire: TY brought a more typical fast expansion 1/1/1 build, while Stats played defensive Blink-Robo yet again. TY opted for a mine drop as his initial harassment, which Stats held off with minimal losses. After fending off the drop, Stats warped in some extra Stalkers to go for some harassment, but TY was well prepared on defense, and Stats didn't suicide his Stalkers with an aggressive Blink this time around.

A three-base vs three-base build-up ensued, with TY preparing another big Infantry-Tank army while Stats looked to go for Psi Storm and mass gateway units. TY got some pretty effective Raven harassment done in the meanwhile, using Auto Turrets to mow down a number of Probes.

The game ended up being decided by an abrupt base-trade, as the two armies missed each other on opposite sides of the map. As is often the case, the player to strike first had the advantage, that player being TY in this case. Once the two armies were done killing off undefended buildings, TY was left with a far superior army, which he used to extract the second GG out of Stats.

Game 3 - Ever Dream: The game started with TY proxying a Barracks out on the map for some typical proxy-Reaper harass, but TY took the cheese up the notch by subsequently lifting his Barracks and floating it into Stats' main. This set up an even stronger version of a one-base Marauder-Hellion-Medivac attack TY had used before, with the Marauders actually being built from inside the Protoss main.

But all this devious creativity was for naught, as the power of Photon Overcharge and good defensive micro from Stats allowed him to hold the attack off with acceptable losses, giving him a big economic advantage against the one-base Terran player. Unfortunately for Stats, he looked to consolidate his lead by being harassing with his Blink Stalkers, which opened up his mineral lines to take devastating damage from an unexpected double cloaked Banshee follow-up. This reset the game back to a more even state, with both players looking to build up on three bases again.

When TY moved out with his 1/1 infantry and Tanks, Stats split his forces between defending with Disruptors and Colossi while counter-attacking with Zealots as he had done in many previous games. But TY had readied the appropriate defenses at his expansions (a Bunker surrounded by Depots doing a lot of work), and was able to shutdown the zealot run-bys and take down Stats' fourth base for free.

But Stats rolled with the punch, simply taking a new fourth and refocusing his efforts on defense. He staved off the next few attacks from TY, handling a couple of drops into his main while crushing a push on his new fourth base in a head-on battle. It seemed like with just a bit of time, Stats would stabilize on four bases and be set to roll to a late game victory.

However, TY kept Stats off kilter, throwing an attack at Stats just as it seemed like he might be getting comfortable. The Protoss main base was a frequent target, with TY constantly abusing the fact that Stats would not (or could not afford to) keep troops stationed there permanently. Eventually, Stats made the pivotal decision to go on the offensive—whether it was due to being fed up at getting battered all game, or because he saw a hole in the defense—gathering his Disruptor-centric army for a massive attack on the Terran side of the map. Simultaneously, TY dropped yet another large force of infantry into Stats' main.

This base trade, while initiated on better terms than the last, still worked out poorly for Stats. TY took care not to engage the Protoss deathball, whereas hastily warped-in Gateway defenders were mowed down by the Terran bio. When the dust settled, TY was left with a larger army but weaker economy, while Stats was left with a strong infrastructure that needed some time to replenish his army.

Ultimately, the immobility of Stats Disruptor + Gateway unit force cost Stats the game, as he was unable to defend both his expansions and his production buildings that were spread all over the map. TY abused his superior mobility and firepower to keep chipping away at Stats, and he eventually forced a third straight GG.

Game 4 - Golden Wall: Stats changed things up by going for a defensive Phoenix build to start, while TY went for another zany opener in the form of a PvT Battlecruiser rush. Somehow, Stats' scouting Phoenixes missed the corner of the base where the Fusion Core was placed, allowing TY to surprise Stats with a 1 BC, 13 Marine attack. While TY lost all of his units in the attack, he got a decent number of Probe kills in return, and also set himself up nicely on three bases to transition to mech.

In a curious move, both players decided to play on both the north and south sides of the map, taking their naturals and their backdoor expansions. TY kept up Battlecruiser production, going for a mech comp centered around Tanks, BC's, and Hellions/Hellabts. Meanwhile, Stats played with an army comp not unlike one he'd use versus bio, massing Gateway units and supporting them with Disruptors.

Stats made the first major mid-game move, launching a two prong attack from the north and south routes on the map, successfully destroying one of TY's southern expansions before defenders could arrive. TY retaliated with a south-side push, marching his nearly maxed mech force through the passage. Stats decided it would be foolhardy to try and meet this force in the field, and diverted his armies for a multi-directional counter attack.

TY ended up getting the better of the base trade in yet another game. His Battlecruisers recalled back and successfully defended his main with newly produced Tanks, while his ground units rolled through the south side of the map and started demolishing the Protoss main. That left the Terran army in an impenetrable position on the high ground inside of Stats' main, raining down tank fire on the natural expansion below. While Stats had taken several more expansions across the north side of the map, he needed some breathing room to rebuild his production facilities and reinforce his army. TY just wouldn't give him the time, and consolidated his mech force to push forward and complete the sweep.


Semifinal 2: Maru 4 - 2 Armani



Game 1 - Eternal Empire: The series opened up with Armani opting for a fast Mutalisks, while Maru went for standard 3-base bio play after opening with Hellions. Armani's decision to go Mutas ended up achieving very little against Maru early on, and it wasn't long before he had to start dealing with waves of Infantry. The Mutas ended up being more useful in the mid-game whre Maru was more aggressive on the map, as they could repay cancelled Hatcheries by forcing CC lifts on the other end. Still, with the game staying on four base versus four base, the balance of power shifted in Maru's favor as his bio force continued to grow stronger than Armani's Muta-Ling-Bane.

Seconds before 3/3 infantry upgrades completed, Maru took an excellent fight at Armani's attempted fifth base, spreading his Marines out and smashing a wave of incoming Banelings. It was Maru's cue to keep pushing forward with constant waves of reinforcements, battering Armani until he had to tap out.

Game 2 - Ever Dream: Maru decided to go on the offensive early on, going for Hellabats, Cloaked Banshees, and reactored Marines at the same time. A timely speed-Overlord scout from Armani alerted him to the danger, and he was able to cover all potential threats and emerge from the early game with a substantial economic lead. Maru was put in an ever deeper hole when he tried to continue his Banshee harass, only to run into a speed-Overseer and Mutalisks.

Armani just had to survive one mid-game Marine-Tank from Maru to consolidate his four base economy and take a commanding position. He stayed patient as his Hatchery was under fire, waiting until he had enough Banelings to defeat the Terran force by a convincing margin. Armani actually had enough troops left over to go for an immediate counter-attack at Maru's third, where he wiped out the remaining Terran troops and forced Maru to surrender.

Game 3 - Submarine: It was Armani's turn to be aggressive in the early game, as he opened up with a Gas-Pool build for some early Speedling harass. Some rudimentary scouting let Maru prepare, and he held the lings at bay while going up to three bases. Armani opted to follow-up with another peculiar play, delaying his tech in order to go for fast double upgrades (melee-carapace).

Whatever the long-term goal of Armani's plan was, we didn't see it come to fruition. Maru never stopped breathing down Armani's neck, using Hellion and Liberators to harass initially, and then constantly pressuring with infantry as Armani looked to stabilize on pure Ling-Bane-Queen. Though Armani did a good job of going for constant backdoors to try and disorient Maru, and while he did hold a 2/2 vs 1/1 upgrade advantage for a period, there was just no finish line he was trying to reach. The constant fighting against Terran bio left Armani with no breathing room to try and tech to Hive, and once Maru matched Armani at 2/2, the death spiral accelerated until Armani had to surrender.

Game 4 - Deathaura: Armani tried a different kind of aggressive strategy, going up to three bases and then preparing a mass Queen-Ling attack with Nydus support. Maru smelled that something was amiss and played cautiously, getting a Bunker and walling off his natural. Armani didn't even come close to threatening Maru with his attack, and GG'd out after all his tunneling attempts got stuffed.

Game 5 - Pillars of Gold: Both players signed the macro pact on Pillars of Gold, looking to play a relatively straight-forward game (minus some early Hellion-Liberator harass from Maru). While Maru went for standard bio, Armani changed things up and went for a Hydralisk based mid-game army. The first bit of serious action came once Maru hit 2/2 upgrades, and moved his Infantry across the map to lay siege to Armani's fifth base. Despite being low on Banelings, Armani had enough Hydralisks and Zerglings to pass this defensive test and crush the attack, buying the time he needed to add Lurkers and Vipers to his army.

The addition of high tech units let Armani start going on the offensive. Maru held steadfast against a somewhat sloppy two-prong attack by Armani, which saw Armani change his tactics to consolidate his forces for an attack at a single location. Things went better for Armani this time, as he was able to raze Maru's fifth base and slow down his progress toward reaching full map-split turtle mode. Going up to over ninety Drones, Armani stayed aggressive with Lurkers, Banelings, and Vipers, trying to keep Maru pinned back while slowing the spread of his expansions. While Armani took some costly fights (some of them downright suicidal), his overall strategy worked out as he was able to keep Maru at bay, take expansions relatively unhindered, and slowly win the war of attrition.

Ultimately, Armani never gave Maru the respite he needed to get a strong economy or get into a proper turtling stance (no Nukes from Maru this game!), and even broadened his attacks to include Lurker drops and Zergling run-bys. Though Maru tried to resist until the bitter end, he eventually cracked under the pressure and conceded defeat to Armani at around the 33 minute mark.

Game 6 - Ice and Chrome: Armani had a ZvP-esque cheese in store for Maru in game six, going up to three bases but halting drone production to make a swell of Speedlings in the early game. On the other hand, Maru took a different kind of risk, opening with a greedy Command Center-first expansion. In hindsight, this probably wasn't what Armani wanted (he did the strategy blind), as Maru's follow-up was a 2-1-1 that gave him a lot of early Marines. While Armani could have still done damage with his speedlings if Maru had been lax on defense, Maru kept his Marines in good defensive position and shut down the attack with ease.

Maru then counter-attacked with two Medivacs full of stimmed Marines, killing off a bunch of Queens and Armani's third base. The game was basically over for Armani at that point, and Maru chose to keep things short by ending the game with a Marine-Tank push not long after.
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SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines895 Posts
October 25 2020 08:52 GMT
#2
G2L vs G5L
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col_jung
Profile Joined October 2017
139 Posts
October 25 2020 09:31 GMT
#3
Maru vs TY 2018 was breathtakingly close. Time for TY's revenge!
fLyiNgDroNe
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Belgium4031 Posts
October 25 2020 09:44 GMT
#4
Since rax proxying is off-meta, lets hope for a 7-game marathon of very long macro tvt games! :D
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 25 2020 12:18 GMT
#5
On October 25 2020 18:44 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Since rax proxying is off-meta, lets hope for a 7-game marathon of very long macro tvt games! :D

Given how they've both been playing this season, its actually TY who'll probably go for the dirty cheeses and Maru defending everything. Opposite of their last final
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1927 Posts
October 25 2020 13:12 GMT
#6
Maru's TvT has looked turtely and grindy, with a game plan of winning late with air control and a superior raven count. With his raven control, I don't think anyone has found an answer to Maru's late game yet.

Clem took 2 games of him with early pushes, while everyone else has looked pretty helpless.

It should be interesting!
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yubo56
Profile Joined May 2014
690 Posts
October 25 2020 14:43 GMT
#7
On October 25 2020 22:12 Slydie wrote:
Maru's TvT has looked turtely and grindy, with a game plan of winning late with air control and a superior raven count. With his raven control, I don't think anyone has found an answer to Maru's late game yet.

Clem took 2 games of him with early pushes, while everyone else has looked pretty helpless.

It should be interesting!

TY has excellent ultra late game TvT though, so I think it'll be a very unique / entertaining matchup if Maru brings the style he's been showing. Fingers crossed, if this finals makes it past early game shenanigans it should give some of the fan favorite TvT that we all love, a chess game on the minimap and a marine pulverizer simulator on the main screen.
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Weavel
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Finland9221 Posts
October 25 2020 15:25 GMT
#8
Going to be great finals. 8 a.m is bit early but maybe I'll make it.
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outscar
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October 25 2020 16:58 GMT
#9
TY gonna deny G5L, no mortal will ever see any pro gain that trophy, muahaha!
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Sweden590 Posts
October 25 2020 17:14 GMT
#10
Their last game in their former final was among the best games I've ever watched. The outcome of that game was unclear until the final moments, with micro standing in the lime light.

I hope for a series that is at least 10% as good as the last one.
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starkiller123
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United States4030 Posts
October 25 2020 18:37 GMT
#11
time for Maru to win that G5L
serralfan18
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October 25 2020 20:05 GMT
#12
I think TY will win. Maru has so many documented TvT games of recent. TY is way too smart not to study from those. But it will close. Probably 4-2 in TY's favor with 4/6 games being macro, 2/6 being cheese. Maru takes two macro games, TY takes the rest. But all 6 games will be very close, down to the wire type games. The cheesy type games all come down to a single micro mistake from someone. Macro games all come down to decision making, multi-tasking, positioning and micro.
Duckman
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United States158 Posts
October 25 2020 21:01 GMT
#13
I bet we see Maru bust out some crazy aggression again, differing from what other users have noticed has been his usual TvT strategy of late. It's the finals after all, you can't be predictable, and I give Maru a slight edge in micro--assuming his shoulder isn't bothering him too much. I'll be happy whoever wins but would love to see the G5L!
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 25 2020 21:51 GMT
#14
G5L is a cursed trophy, 4-1 for TY. Or 4:3 Maru in the classic TY case of going full TY
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493 Posts
October 25 2020 21:54 GMT
#15
Armani's game 5 style was fantastic to watch.
ZAWGURN
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October 26 2020 00:08 GMT
#16
Why is the finals so early this time? What if they do a GSL/ASL finals double header again, that would be awesome.
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SpecKROELLchen
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany151 Posts
October 26 2020 02:00 GMT
#17
I really love the sc2 community nowadays. up till now just constructive comments, no balance whining etc. This is quite rare.

ontopic: I am really looking forward to the final. The one of 2018 was really close. I love both but i think i will cheer for maru since he can achieve something great with this win.
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October 26 2020 02:48 GMT
#18
Ah GOM TvT <3. Feeling TY 4-2.
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Canada4773 Posts
October 26 2020 03:13 GMT
#19
This could be it. G5L will no longer by a myth.
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Last Edited: 2020-10-26 04:55:28
October 26 2020 04:55 GMT
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Dream GSL as we're getting a T winner!
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October 26 2020 06:23 GMT
#21
On October 26 2020 09:08 ZAWGURN wrote:
Why is the finals so early this time? What if they do a GSL/ASL finals double header again, that would be awesome.

ASL is still in the quarterfinals, so no doubleheader this time.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
October 26 2020 09:19 GMT
#22
I really really hope Maru gets to win this. The ultimate GOAT should be the one getting the G5L, and a true full code S one at that
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MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
October 26 2020 09:23 GMT
#23
TY is better at preparation and tactics.
Maru is better at macro, micro, multitasking and decision making.

I am 80% sure Maru will win this.
seemsgood
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October 26 2020 10:13 GMT
#24
On October 26 2020 18:23 MockHamill wrote:
TY is better at preparation and tactics.
Maru is better at macro, micro, multitasking and decision making.

I am 80% sure Maru will win this.

caster has the upperhand here cause dude understands the match up better than mary
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October 26 2020 14:24 GMT
#25
super hypped! maru's injury is concerning though
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Denmark1218 Posts
October 26 2020 15:49 GMT
#26
Such amazing players both of them, but have to go with maru. Would be great and well deserved for him to take this!
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Shellshock
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United States97276 Posts
October 26 2020 15:54 GMT
#27
Hopefully Maru stomps all over TY
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youaremysin
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October 26 2020 16:04 GMT
#28
I think TY will take it 4-1 or 4-0, his preparation is on another level recently. But if it's just regular games It's gonna be very close.
Slydie
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October 26 2020 16:22 GMT
#29
On October 27 2020 01:04 youaremysin wrote:
I think TY will take it 4-1 or 4-0, his preparation is on another level recently. But if it's just regular games It's gonna be very close.


I have to say Maru has seemed extremely confident in defending the various curve balls his recent opponents have thrown at him, so finding cracks in Maru's armor will not be easy for TY!
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United States998 Posts
October 26 2020 16:45 GMT
#30
On October 27 2020 01:22 Slydie wrote:
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On October 27 2020 01:04 youaremysin wrote:
I think TY will take it 4-1 or 4-0, his preparation is on another level recently. But if it's just regular games It's gonna be very close.


I have to say Maru has seemed extremely confident in defending the various curve balls his recent opponents have thrown at him, so finding cracks in Maru's armor will not be easy for TY!


I think TY has the best preparation in the world though. Maru does seem to have better control, I think the onus is on TY to get a lead in the midgame.
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washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
October 26 2020 17:55 GMT
#31
Although a G5L would be cool especially in sc2’s tenth anniversary year I think TY wins this. Maru is an incredible player but if he does have a weaker matchup its probably TVT, not to say his isn’t one of best in the world. I think Ty probably takes this primarily based on his solid series planing and decision making. TY is probably the second or third best Terran but he is the best at TVT.

It will be close. But I say Ty 4-3
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-26 19:12:07
October 26 2020 19:06 GMT
#32
If Maru had won Super Tournament before his 4th Code S, would they have given him the G5L already?

That Super Tournament wasn't even a weekender as well, it was played over a few weeks, in another world they would have ran a Code S instead of it. Add on that 2013 season 2 got labelled an OSL, it would be a crime if Maru never officially gets it.
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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
October 26 2020 21:22 GMT
#33
TY still has an insane record in this season. Only one match lost in Ro16 (of course he skipped Rou32). In season 1 he got very similar results. Anything could happen on the final but I'm really glad with TY's performance this year.
I'm curious how they will play on the tricky doomed map Golden Wall for a last time in an offline match.
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neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
October 27 2020 03:43 GMT
#34
On October 27 2020 06:22 Veluvian wrote:
TY still has an insane record in this season. Only one match lost in Ro16 (of course he skipped Rou32). In season 1 he got very similar results. Anything could happen on the final but I'm really glad with TY's performance this year.
I'm curious how they will play on the tricky doomed map Golden Wall for a last time in an offline match.


I'm a huge Maru fan, but I think TY is the favorite coming into the match. I just hope that some combination of Jin Air prep and Maru's instincts for making last-minute strategy adjustment gets him through. The only outcome I have a hard time picturing is a stomp by Maru. I think if he wins, it gonna be 4-3. If TY wins, I think the score could be 4-0 or 4-3 or anything in between.
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machinus
Profile Joined January 2010
United States291 Posts
October 27 2020 04:43 GMT
#35
TY was already a legendary player, but this season he has looked charmed. His match preparation and strategic gambits are better than GSL usually sees at any stage. You have to bet with your head on TY's revenge.

P.S. Even if he gets second place, that still makes Maru GOAT since he will have four wins and a second place.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
October 27 2020 08:24 GMT
#36
On October 27 2020 02:55 washikie wrote:
Although a G5L would be cool especially in sc2’s tenth anniversary year I think TY wins this. Maru is an incredible player but if he does have a weaker matchup its probably TVT, not to say his isn’t one of best in the world. I think Ty probably takes this primarily based on his solid series planing and decision making. TY is probably the second or third best Terran but he is the best at TVT.

It will be close. But I say Ty 4-3

Best at TvT didn’t even manage to beat Cure in KoB...
The only time TY was the best at TvT and fought Maru in finals was 2018 S3, and we saw what happened against the king of finals
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 08:57:49
October 27 2020 08:45 GMT
#37
It's more TvTY than TvT. I love how everybody goes - Maru's weakness is a TvT while he just won a TvT finals with a TvT semis and a TvT RO8. He beat there Inno(3:0), CLem(4:2) and Cure(4:1). CUre beat TY 4:3. Had he win by a single close game, I would admit Maru's TvT may be a weakness, but FFS he did beat 3 good Terran and the closest game series was against a foreigner. Like did everyone miss it?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55560 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-27 09:12:54
October 27 2020 09:12 GMT
#38
Definitely has the most potential out of any GSL final since their 2018 clash. Maru who has been looking in form recently and not showing any weakness in TvT (if anything he's been shaky in non-mirrors) on one side. On the other TY who has been looking transcendent in GSL this season in particular and who's always been a TvT expert.

They've played 2 best of 7 matches, both went to game 7. If we get that again I see no reason to complain.
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Garbo1
Profile Joined July 2020
49 Posts
October 27 2020 13:49 GMT
#39
Lots of people commenting about TY's preparation being the best in the world, but Maru wins GSLs and not many weekend tournaments because preparation is his bread and butter.
pichoo
Profile Joined May 2014
Australia123 Posts
October 27 2020 19:05 GMT
#40
If Maru perform like in AlphaX tournament, then Maru should be the slight favorite as he's beaten 3 top tier terrans. However base on last performances, TY has been insane in his preparation and strategy. While Maru has slight issue with his shoulder, he managed to beat Armani.

I think either way it will be very close because it's TvT and based on 2 previous finals they met. Both went the distance of 4-3 scores.

I'd have to give TY a slight advantage based on the semi final performances.
Mettis
Profile Joined June 2019
84 Posts
October 27 2020 20:41 GMT
#41
4-3 to Maru.
chuchutrain
Profile Joined May 2020
31 Posts
October 29 2020 13:50 GMT
#42
On October 27 2020 17:45 deacon.frost wrote:
It's more TvTY than TvT. I love how everybody goes - Maru's weakness is a TvT while he just won a TvT finals with a TvT semis and a TvT RO8. He beat there Inno(3:0), CLem(4:2) and Cure(4:1). CUre beat TY 4:3. Had he win by a single close game, I would admit Maru's TvT may be a weakness, but FFS he did beat 3 good Terran and the closest game series was against a foreigner. Like did everyone miss it?


As much as I agree with Maru's generally superior state of the match up, it also means TY has had that much to study and work on. I would probably give the nod to TY in terms of prep, so winning that KoB over so many terrans may come back to doom Maru
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 29 2020 18:29 GMT
#43
On October 29 2020 22:50 chuchutrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2020 17:45 deacon.frost wrote:
It's more TvTY than TvT. I love how everybody goes - Maru's weakness is a TvT while he just won a TvT finals with a TvT semis and a TvT RO8. He beat there Inno(3:0), CLem(4:2) and Cure(4:1). CUre beat TY 4:3. Had he win by a single close game, I would admit Maru's TvT may be a weakness, but FFS he did beat 3 good Terran and the closest game series was against a foreigner. Like did everyone miss it?


As much as I agree with Maru's generally superior state of the match up, it also means TY has had that much to study and work on. I would probably give the nod to TY in terms of prep, so winning that KoB over so many terrans may come back to doom Maru

My point wasn't about who's gonna win, especially because I also think that TY will get the victory. Because I think that Arty will hype Maru - Artosis curse, then G5L curse and in the end as you just noticed, TY has plenty of material to study. OTOH MAru didn't played anything prepared! If TY can prepare builds, so can Maru. he showed his general lategame preference in TvT, no special builds were included.

The point was, that Maru has a sick TvT right now and if he's weakest in the TvT I don't want to see his stronger MUs :D
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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
October 29 2020 23:14 GMT
#44
On October 30 2020 03:29 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 22:50 chuchutrain wrote:
On October 27 2020 17:45 deacon.frost wrote:
It's more TvTY than TvT. I love how everybody goes - Maru's weakness is a TvT while he just won a TvT finals with a TvT semis and a TvT RO8. He beat there Inno(3:0), CLem(4:2) and Cure(4:1). CUre beat TY 4:3. Had he win by a single close game, I would admit Maru's TvT may be a weakness, but FFS he did beat 3 good Terran and the closest game series was against a foreigner. Like did everyone miss it?


As much as I agree with Maru's generally superior state of the match up, it also means TY has had that much to study and work on. I would probably give the nod to TY in terms of prep, so winning that KoB over so many terrans may come back to doom Maru

My point wasn't about who's gonna win, especially because I also think that TY will get the victory. Because I think that Arty will hype Maru - Artosis curse, then G5L curse and in the end as you just noticed, TY has plenty of material to study. OTOH MAru didn't played anything prepared! If TY can prepare builds, so can Maru. he showed his general lategame preference in TvT, no special builds were included.

The point was, that Maru has a sick TvT right now and if he's weakest in the TvT I don't want to see his stronger MUs :D


JAGW can prepare builds for Mary, you mean.

The new style Maru has recently showcased in TvT has been very effective, if anything he doesn't seem as dominant in TvZ as he once were.

TY's is the master of mirror and he has proven to be very effective in preparation formats, I see him beating Mary even in a Code S final.


tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
October 29 2020 23:39 GMT
#45
you guys are nuts... Maru's TvT is amazing, he is in great form, and he hasn't lost a GSL finals. Maru 4-3 or 4-2
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