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Katowice25012 Posts
I'm sure there are wrong tags and names and stuff so let me know please so I can fix them!!
except for the ones where it has a clan tag where normally a team would go I know about those and I've decided to leave them.
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Vortix and Botvinnik? o.O kinda surprised to see them on the list and curious how they will fare.
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On July 01 2017 09:12 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Vortix and Botvinnik? o.O kinda surprised to see them on the list and curious how they will fare.
Probably because its in spain so not that far for them and possibly free moneyz or just enjoying the event
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On July 01 2017 09:09 Heyoka wrote:
I'm sure there are wrong tags and names and stuff so let me know please so I can fix them!!
except for the ones where it has a clan tag where normally a team would go I know about those and I've decided to leave them.
Hello, although Has and Nice are still part of BearMe, they've requested that the tag be removed to not confuse potential organisations who wants to pick them up! Very appreciated if you could remove the tag for them.
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Interesting that Kelazhur is not on the list. Anyone know why?
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Did  iAsonu forfeited his spot? I am sure he placed second in GPL Season 2.
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Hey Is this is the actual full player list ? Where am I ? TT
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There is no way this is the final list.
I can't see PtitDrogo/Bly/MaNa/SortOf all not going....
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Man sc2 tournaments move quick. My wife is sick of watching sc streams but I can't get enough!! I love it
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China6327 Posts
On July 01 2017 09:20 DieuCure wrote:
No TIME, sad.
TIME decided to take some rest and focus on practicing.
On July 01 2017 11:38 Icarus2 wrote:Did iAsonu forfeited his spot? I am sure he placed second in GPL Season 2.
Same for iAsonu as he decided to skip Valencia due to health concerns.
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Wardi? Not the same one as the caster right, if yes cool to see him play!!!
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Where is Sortof? 
Stakiiman hype though!
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SNUUTE?!
And does anybody know what Bunny is up to?
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On July 01 2017 12:33 SNSeigifried wrote:
There is no way this is the final list.
I can't see PtitDrogo/Bly/MaNa/SortOf all not going.... Yeah and kelazhur too. Feels weird to have WCS without all these guys. Great to see Vortix play though.
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On July 01 2017 12:33 SNSeigifried wrote:
There is no way this is the final list.
I can't see PtitDrogo/Bly/MaNa/SortOf all not going....
Yea  Hopefully we all there
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Italy3214 Posts
...I sincerely don't know which "parameters" are used for a sign up to a wcs tournament to be taken into consideration and then accepted (apart from the rules in the handbook ofc) but if it just a matter of time souL kinda makes me laugh with his "4 days ago" since the sign-ups opened more than a month ago now and with all the local players signing in I doubt that 15 days before the tournament there would ever be slots still available...
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I signed up like a week ago, and I got accepted with a mail later that night. I think they just go by first come first served :/
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On July 01 2017 22:46 MperorM1 wrote:
I signed up like a week ago, and I got accepted with a mail later that night. I think they just go by first come first served :/
Congrats and gl hf!
I think CynicalDeath's point above still stands though. There are only 4 tournaments to keep track of this year for our ambitious foreigners, and the qualifier was played a long time ago...
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The list is not yet full as it stands.
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On July 01 2017 15:54 lechatnoir wrote:
SNUUTE?!
And does anybody know what Bunny is up to?
Snute is in the list.
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Why not MaNa,SortOf,PtitDrogo?
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This list is clearly not final by any mean. Cope America is still on-going so it is very likely that Major, Kelazhur or Cham will get the 2 slots on Ro32 so they won't be at open bracket at all. That should free up 2 more slots.
Also, I understand there is first-come first-serve rule here but this is just straight-up bad and frankly amateur. Let make an cut-off date for sign-up. Then, from the pool of signed-up players, select them based on recent performances and perhaps some home-country players. For those who sign up after cut-off date, first-come first-server if there are still slots open.
This is professional event and somehow the registration process is confusing and unorganized. At least keep it together to show some courtesy to players and fans worldwide.
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On July 02 2017 04:12 AshC wrote:
This list is clearly not final by any mean. Cope America is still on-going so it is very likely that Major, Kelazhur or Cham will get the 2 slots on Ro32 so they won't be at open bracket at all. That should free up 2 more slots.
Also, I understand there is first-come first-serve rule here but this is just straight-up bad and frankly amateur. Let make an cut-off date for sign-up. Then, from the pool of signed-up players, select them based on recent performances and perhaps some home-country players. For those who sign up after cut-off date, first-come first-server if there are still slots open.
This is professional event and somehow the registration process is confusing and unorganized. At least keep it together to show some courtesy to players and fans worldwide.
I think it's a very reasonable system.
It shouldn't be that hard to sign up long in advance. Also first served means blizzard can send acceptance letters right when you apply, which makes it much easier to book flight tickets and hotels in long advance.
Honestly if you are a professional player who makes a living off tournaments like this and you didn't sign up until 2 weeks before the event, I feel like it's your own fault.
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South Korea2105 Posts
On July 02 2017 06:36 MperorM1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2017 04:12 AshC wrote:
This list is clearly not final by any mean. Cope America is still on-going so it is very likely that Major, Kelazhur or Cham will get the 2 slots on Ro32 so they won't be at open bracket at all. That should free up 2 more slots.
Also, I understand there is first-come first-serve rule here but this is just straight-up bad and frankly amateur. Let make an cut-off date for sign-up. Then, from the pool of signed-up players, select them based on recent performances and perhaps some home-country players. For those who sign up after cut-off date, first-come first-server if there are still slots open.
This is professional event and somehow the registration process is confusing and unorganized. At least keep it together to show some courtesy to players and fans worldwide. I think it's a very reasonable system. It shouldn't be that hard to sign up long in advance. Also first served means blizzard can send acceptance letters right when you apply, which makes it much easier to book flight tickets and hotels in long advance. Honestly if you are a professional player who makes a living off tournaments like this and you didn't sign up until 2 weeks before the event, I feel like it's your own fault.
What if, like myself, one's a student, who's been hoping to become pro at this game for almost 7 years now, and can only afford to go to Valencia after reaching top32 @ DH Jonkoping? In my humble view the best solution would be to split the signups into two stages: the first one being held on a first come first served basis, where lesser known players could secure a spot by simply grabbing one as soon as the event is announced, and then the second stage where the remaining pool of players is somehow evaluated based on past performance.
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On July 02 2017 06:36 MperorM1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2017 04:12 AshC wrote:
This list is clearly not final by any mean. Cope America is still on-going so it is very likely that Major, Kelazhur or Cham will get the 2 slots on Ro32 so they won't be at open bracket at all. That should free up 2 more slots.
Also, I understand there is first-come first-serve rule here but this is just straight-up bad and frankly amateur. Let make an cut-off date for sign-up. Then, from the pool of signed-up players, select them based on recent performances and perhaps some home-country players. For those who sign up after cut-off date, first-come first-server if there are still slots open.
This is professional event and somehow the registration process is confusing and unorganized. At least keep it together to show some courtesy to players and fans worldwide. I think it's a very reasonable system. It shouldn't be that hard to sign up long in advance. Also first served means blizzard can send acceptance letters right when you apply, which makes it much easier to book flight tickets and hotels in long advance. Honestly if you are a professional player who makes a living off tournaments like this and you didn't sign up until 2 weeks before the event, I feel like it's your own fault.
Though I agree players should sign up as soon as they can if they intend to attend to the event for real, there are a lot of factors that may delay their decisions. People have a life outside of esports you know. You need to work out the schedule, travelling and money.
Frankly, I dislike players who sign up way in advance and then drop off just couple days before the event like some of them did at Jonkoping. They need to find a way to force players to be more certain with their participation so others can sign up instead in time for event and prepare for their trips.
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why are we debating whether the players signed up early enough when it's written right in the OP that there are always a couple of spots open and people can still sign up?
why does it seem like there are people who only follow esports so they can complain that the players, who are a bunch of 18-25 year old gamers, aren't "professional enough"?
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While DH Austin and DH Jonkoping could have many vacant spots as these places are difficult to get to, it would not be surprising that there will be too many players wanting to participate in Valencia, especially its a tourist attraction during summer holidays. I am surprised that the open bracket has only 59 signups (out of 64). Clearly there must be more players who want to participate - like Mana, Bly, Soul, ZIggy, Sort of, Heromarine, Beastyqt, Ptitdrogo etc. I don't think they did not sign up (at least not all of them), so most probably there is an issue on the organizers side here.
By the way, I don't think its first come first serve. WCS p[layers have priority in receiving spots.
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On July 02 2017 06:43 ZiggyPG wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2017 06:36 MperorM1 wrote:On July 02 2017 04:12 AshC wrote:
This list is clearly not final by any mean. Cope America is still on-going so it is very likely that Major, Kelazhur or Cham will get the 2 slots on Ro32 so they won't be at open bracket at all. That should free up 2 more slots.
Also, I understand there is first-come first-serve rule here but this is just straight-up bad and frankly amateur. Let make an cut-off date for sign-up. Then, from the pool of signed-up players, select them based on recent performances and perhaps some home-country players. For those who sign up after cut-off date, first-come first-server if there are still slots open.
This is professional event and somehow the registration process is confusing and unorganized. At least keep it together to show some courtesy to players and fans worldwide. I think it's a very reasonable system. It shouldn't be that hard to sign up long in advance. Also first served means blizzard can send acceptance letters right when you apply, which makes it much easier to book flight tickets and hotels in long advance. Honestly if you are a professional player who makes a living off tournaments like this and you didn't sign up until 2 weeks before the event, I feel like it's your own fault. What if, like myself, one's a student, who's been hoping to become pro at this game for almost 7 years now, and can only afford to go to Valencia after reaching top32 @ DH Jonkoping? In my humble view the best solution would be to split the signups into two stages: the first one being held on a first come first served basis, where lesser known players could secure a spot by simply grabbing one as soon as the event is announced, and then the second stage where the remaining pool of players is somehow evaluated based on past performance.
First come first served is good for players exactly like you. You are really fucking good, ranking highly on EU right now, but you haven't had any major results so far. If they were to filter out players for better ones, wouldn't you find it extremely unfair to be kicked from a tournament for someone with better results? I think this system allows exactly for up and coming top players like you, to shine.
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Nah, I'm going to the DreamHack and since I'm going I'll play the tournament for fun, I'm not going to compete again in SC2 on a serious plan and I'm not going to be trained
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Katowice25012 Posts
Looking into the weirdness with the sign ups, a handful of registrations weren't recorded properly and I'm not sure if the problem happened between our internal signups and making this list or what, but as this was not a fully packed list before there shouldn't be any problems accommodating everyone (typically on site we get a handful of dropouts and go through ~5 spots in the waitlist that morning too, after groups are made, so no one should worry about their inclusion). For now I've pasted in a handful of people that contacted us and added in the WCS Challenger players from Copa (which is just moving Cham and Special up to the top).
These lists are always evolving basically until we start the tournament, one of the reasons for posting this is that it reminds people to tell us they decided not to go but haven't given an email regarding dropping out. This particular event is a bit strange because it was close to WCS Jönköping which means
On July 02 2017 06:36 MperorM1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2017 04:12 AshC wrote:
This list is clearly not final by any mean. Cope America is still on-going so it is very likely that Major, Kelazhur or Cham will get the 2 slots on Ro32 so they won't be at open bracket at all. That should free up 2 more slots.
Also, I understand there is first-come first-serve rule here but this is just straight-up bad and frankly amateur. Let make an cut-off date for sign-up. Then, from the pool of signed-up players, select them based on recent performances and perhaps some home-country players. For those who sign up after cut-off date, first-come first-server if there are still slots open.
This is professional event and somehow the registration process is confusing and unorganized. At least keep it together to show some courtesy to players and fans worldwide. I think it's a very reasonable system. It shouldn't be that hard to sign up long in advance. Also first served means blizzard can send acceptance letters right when you apply, which makes it much easier to book flight tickets and hotels in long advance. Honestly if you are a professional player who makes a living off tournaments like this and you didn't sign up until 2 weeks before the event, I feel like it's your own fault.
While this is an open tournament and in that way we treat sign ups as a first come, first serve item, the final way we handle registrations is a lot closer to the system you suggested AshC. When we send out the first series of confirmation emails that let people know they are either on the list or current on our wait list, there are a few slots at this stage kept "free" for people with high finishes in previous events to bypass the waitlist if they forgot to sign up or changed their plans regarding registration etc, we also reach out to teams and players at this stage if we see notable players who normally attend missing to make sure there was no mistake and that sort of thing.
So far I'd say it's been a pretty successful system and outside of this one case of weirdness has been able to do what we need it to do with relative ease.
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Italy3214 Posts
On July 03 2017 06:29 Heyoka wrote:
While this is an open tournament and in that way we treat sign ups as a first come, first serve item, the final way we handle registrations is a lot closer to the system you suggested AshC. When we send out the first series of confirmation emails that let people know they are either on the list or current on our wait list, there are a few slots at this stage kept "free" for people with high finishes in previous events to bypass the waitlist if they forgot to sign up or changed their plans regarding registration etc, we also reach out to teams and players at this stage if we see notable players who normally attend missing to make sure there was no mistake and that sort of thing.
So far I'd say it's been a pretty successful system and outside of this one case of weirdness has been able to do what we need it to do with relative ease.
...thanks for clarifying how the sign-ups procedure works! 
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On July 01 2017 14:47 AzAlexZ wrote:
Wardi? Not the same one as the caster right, if yes cool to see him play!!!
He is the real wardi (as in caster wardi)
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Hooray! Sortof is in the list! 
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I love Sortof
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RIP China
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Wait so they just award the spots to someone else instead of having them play for it?
Boooooooooooooooring
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On July 08 2017 18:36 Elentos wrote:Wait so they just award the spots to someone else instead of having them play for it? Boooooooooooooooring
The tournament is to close so they gave the 2 highest ranking players in wcs standings the spots.
Also TooDming was already a replacement for iAsonu got to remember that
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On July 08 2017 18:36 Elentos wrote:Wait so they just award the spots to someone else instead of having them play for it? Boooooooooooooooring
Neeb came in fifth at NA Challenger and Kelazhur came in third at Latin Challenger so I guess it makes sense they gave the slots to those two. However, I wish they would give it to Bails instead of Neeb given they both came fifth at NA. I would like to see Bails to compete at Valencia.
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On July 08 2017 18:40 SNSeigifried wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 18:36 Elentos wrote:Wait so they just award the spots to someone else instead of having them play for it? Boooooooooooooooring The tournament is to close so they gave the 2 highest ranking players in wcs standings the spots. Also TooDming was already a replacement for iAsonu got to remember that
My first reaction was: no way kelazhur is that high up. But as he is, you're probably right.
Anyways are there 2 more players in the first group stage then?
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