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GuMiho moves on to the Code S Grand Finals

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
June 14 2017 17:09 GMT
#1
After TvT victories over (T)TY and (T)ByuN respectively in the Round of 8, (T)GuMiho and (T)Maru met in the first semifinal of Season 2 to determine who would represent their race in the finals.

GuMiho opened the series by proxying a pair of barracks. Reapers came out two by two and, while Maru temporarily pushed them back with a cyclone, he had already lost ten workers. The follow up effort was enough put GuMiho up 1-0.

It was Maru who proxied on Odyssey. Although he didn't notch an outright kill, the addition of a cyclone and marines to his reapers was enough to cancel GuMiho's natural. Both players went for banshees from there, but only Maru’s were effective. Maru widened his lead with double digit worker kills while GuMiho marshalled a marine/tank force. When GuMiho finally moved out Maru had more than enough to answer and earn his first victory.

Maru opened command center first in game three, but it was GuMiho who executed the first offensive move, killing 11 workers while putting Maru's production under siege. Maru managed to even the worker count with a multipronged attack, but he lost too much of his army in the process. Up on supply, GuMiho punished Maru’s aggression with attack after attack. Maru kept hemorrhaging workers until he had no choice but to tap out.



GuMiho went for proxy two rax once again which morphed into a proxied tank and reactored marine push when his reapers failed to gain traction. Maru pushed out, killing the tank and canceling the starport. The cloaked banshees follow up prompted a quick concession from GuMiho.

Both players opened with cloaked banshees in game five. But while Maru's was proxied, GuMiho's was scouted. Maru was able to get minimal damage done but both players reached three bases on even supply. GuMiho ratcheted up the pressure from there, though, taking advantage of his superior upgrades. Maru held strong for a time, but finally buckled. Down multiple bases and nearly 70 supply Maru left the game to put GuMiho ahead 3-2.



Maru proxied two barracks at the watch tower on Whirlwind, but GuMiho discovered them with a scouting scv. He built two barracks of his own back at home and even managed to kill Maru's first two reapers without losing any of his own. From there it was a foregone conclusion. GuMiho simply rallied to Maru's main with a superior reaper count, giving the Jin Air Terran no choice but to cede the match. The 4-2 victory makes GuMiho the first finalist in GSL Season 2. He will wait in the finals for the winner of (P)Classic vs (Z)soO to be played later in the week.


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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
June 14 2017 17:20 GMT
#2
Sad day for Maru fans, GG Gumiho I guess
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AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
June 14 2017 17:32 GMT
#3
Would be sad for the loser anyway there.

Gratz to Gumi who showed great games!
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5613 Posts
June 14 2017 17:44 GMT
#4
Not enough proxies.
don't wall off against random
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13995 Posts
June 14 2017 17:56 GMT
#5
Can't say i'm surprised...can't say I'm dissapointed either
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FilthyRake
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States473 Posts
June 14 2017 18:07 GMT
#6
These were some really crazy and exciting games. Huge congratulations to GuMiho!
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 14 2017 18:12 GMT
#7
I hope soO will win against him because he eliminated TY+Maru

But if the finals are soO vs Gumiho the story can be beautiful on both sides
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 14 2017 18:42 GMT
#8
Either one of Classic or soO will have no problem taking down GuMiho. For soO in particular, this is a golden opportunity to finally get that GSL trophy.
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Justinian
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom158 Posts
June 14 2017 18:58 GMT
#9
Gumiho would be a beatable opponent for soO in the final but I don't think soO's gonna get past Classic.
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
June 14 2017 19:13 GMT
#10
On June 15 2017 03:42 pvsnp wrote:
Either one of Classic or soO will have no problem taking down GuMiho. For soO in particular, this is a golden opportunity to finally get that GSL trophy.


LOL

king kong doesn't stand a chance in the finals, sorry
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 19:19:09
June 14 2017 19:18 GMT
#11
On June 15 2017 04:13 LtCalley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:42 pvsnp wrote:
Either one of Classic or soO will have no problem taking down GuMiho. For soO in particular, this is a golden opportunity to finally get that GSL trophy.


LOL

king kong doesn't stand a chance in the finals, sorry

'King Kong' is exactly why this is such a golden opportunity. Gumiho's TvZ is crap compared to the Terrans you'd expect to see in the finals. He's the easiest opponent soO will ever get (in a finals).

As long as soO doesn't throw suicidally hard, the trophy is his for the taking.
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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
June 14 2017 19:20 GMT
#12
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 19:28:02
June 14 2017 19:27 GMT
#13
On June 15 2017 04:20 Sakat wrote:
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances

And 0 of those maps/series were offline, whereas soO has beaten TY and Maru in GSL.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 19:31:19
June 14 2017 19:28 GMT
#14
On June 15 2017 04:27 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:20 Sakat wrote:
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances

And 0 of those maps/series were offline, whereas soO has beaten TY and Maru in GSL.


GuMiho's statistic vs soO is far more relevant. He beat soO in four Bo5s recently. Whether they're online or not doesn't matter, it shows that GuMiho knows how to play against soO and has successfully done so in the recent past.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
June 14 2017 19:29 GMT
#15
On June 15 2017 04:27 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:20 Sakat wrote:
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances

And 0 of those maps/series were offline, whereas soO has beaten TY and Maru in GSL.

16-6, 6-1 is one-sided enough that it shouldn't matter none of it was offline.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 14 2017 19:37 GMT
#16
On June 15 2017 04:28 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 pvsnp wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:20 Sakat wrote:
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances

And 0 of those maps/series were offline, whereas soO has beaten TY and Maru in GSL.


GuMiho's statistic vs soO is far more relevant. He beat soO in four Bo5s recently. Whether they're online or not doesn't matter, it shows that GuMiho knows how to play against soO and has successfully done so in the recent past.

Online results count for something, but I'm inclined to discount them compared to GSL results. Quantity vs quality I suppose.

Can't fault you for weighting differently though.
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Malgo
Profile Joined March 2015
Germany76 Posts
June 14 2017 20:22 GMT
#17
On June 15 2017 04:29 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 pvsnp wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:20 Sakat wrote:
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances

And 0 of those maps/series were offline, whereas soO has beaten TY and Maru in GSL.

16-6, 6-1 is one-sided enough that it shouldn't matter none of it was offline.



don't underestimate the power of kong's experience in grand finals.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 20:30:21
June 14 2017 20:30 GMT
#18
On June 15 2017 05:22 Malgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:29 Elentos wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:27 pvsnp wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:20 Sakat wrote:
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances

And 0 of those maps/series were offline, whereas soO has beaten TY and Maru in GSL.

16-6, 6-1 is one-sided enough that it shouldn't matter none of it was offline.



don't underestimate the power of kong's experience in grand finals.

Yeah, experience in losing to first time finalists, Dear, Zest and Classic send their regards
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kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary487 Posts
June 14 2017 20:35 GMT
#19
On June 15 2017 05:22 Malgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:29 Elentos wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:27 pvsnp wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:20 Sakat wrote:
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances

And 0 of those maps/series were offline, whereas soO has beaten TY and Maru in GSL.

16-6, 6-1 is one-sided enough that it shouldn't matter none of it was offline.



don't underestimate the power of kong's experience in grand finals.



yes he has experience, but bad experience. every single finals he was in, his enemy came out with something he had no answer against.
Why so serious?
AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
June 14 2017 20:40 GMT
#20
On June 15 2017 04:28 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 pvsnp wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:20 Sakat wrote:
GuMiho is 16-6 in maps and 6-1 in series against soO this year so I think he is favoured if soO advances

And 0 of those maps/series were offline, whereas soO has beaten TY and Maru in GSL.


GuMiho's statistic vs soO is far more relevant. He beat soO in four Bo5s recently. Whether they're online or not doesn't matter, it shows that GuMiho knows how to play against soO and has successfully done so in the recent past.

But soO was just hiding his true power anyway.

Right?
Right?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 21:39:30
June 14 2017 21:30 GMT
#21
Of course he does, Gumigod in TvT is a beast!

Would love to see the Liquibet stats for this one.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
June 14 2017 21:44 GMT
#22
WOW. I really hope for gumi soo finals, i disliked innovation, stats and all those other bastards who beat soo, but a cool guy like gumiho winning i dont mind
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1153 Posts
June 14 2017 21:45 GMT
#23
GuMiho knows how to prepare for a finals. just ask MMA, Min, CoCa, Ryung and Puzzle... in the following season, he scored a 3-kill to win another GSTL, and it probably would have been an all-kill if they sent him out first.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 22:03:11
June 14 2017 22:01 GMT
#24
On June 15 2017 03:42 pvsnp wrote:
Either one of Classic or soO will have no problem taking down GuMiho. For soO in particular, this is a golden opportunity to finally get that GSL trophy.


I'd only favor Classic/soO for finals experience. There's always the chance Gumiho just mentally crumbles like ByuL. He's never been in a position to win a tournament of this level despite being around since the beginning.

In current form though...I think Gumiho is favored against either of them. He's looking excellent lately.
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Koektrommel
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands47 Posts
June 14 2017 22:21 GMT
#25
Am I a monster for secretly wanting soO to get another second place?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-14 23:26:32
June 14 2017 23:25 GMT
#26
On June 15 2017 07:01 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:42 pvsnp wrote:
Either one of Classic or soO will have no problem taking down GuMiho. For soO in particular, this is a golden opportunity to finally get that GSL trophy.


I'd only favor Classic/soO for finals experience. There's always the chance Gumiho just mentally crumbles like ByuL. He's never been in a position to win a tournament of this level despite being around since the beginning.

In current form though...I think Gumiho is favored against either of them. He's looking excellent lately.


Gumiho is in good form currently, but he has beaten a grand total of 1 notable Zerg/Protoss on his way to the finals (ByuL). TvT has hard-carried him this far.

Classic on the other hand recently defeated TY, the best TvP player in the world, in both GSL and SSL.

If soO is his opponent it gets a little more doubtful. On the one hand Gumiho has a good online record. On the other, his TvZ is terrible compared to say INnoVation who will be soO's practice partner, and soO beat Maru this season and TY last season, both of whom have better TvZ.


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Oalfredo77
Profile Joined July 2016
35 Posts
June 15 2017 00:10 GMT
#27
On June 15 2017 07:21 Koektrommel wrote:
Am I a monster for secretly wanting soO to get another second place?


¡¡Yes you are!!
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-15 00:47:45
June 15 2017 00:46 GMT
#28
Id favour Classic, but when he's in form like he is currently, I'd favour him against any terran to be honest.
GuMi has good tvp though, he should be able to produce an interesting finals against Classic.

soO is interesting, gumi's dominated soo online, Soo's got a lot of pressure on him to finally win but he does have the experience, and i don't rate Gumi's tvz that highly..but i can't see it being a 4-0 or 4-1 to soO either.
TerranOwnsAll
Profile Joined January 2014
359 Posts
June 15 2017 00:52 GMT
#29
If SoO takes second place, would that be 6 in a row?
Man, I miss how dominant seige tanks were in SC1. Wish they would bring that back in SC2
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 15 2017 00:59 GMT
#30
On June 15 2017 09:52 TerranOwnsAll wrote:
If SoO takes second place, would that be 6 in a row?

Six is correct, but not in a row.
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rrrzzz
Profile Joined February 2016
48 Posts
June 15 2017 01:17 GMT
#31
Awesome games! Congrats Gumiho!
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-15 01:30:45
June 15 2017 01:29 GMT
#32
Let's go GumiGod, win code S finals plz. Preferably against soO, Classic might be a bit much for him.
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zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
June 15 2017 01:29 GMT
#33
So I'll be voting for Gumiho to beat soO this time? Didn't expect that!
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-15 01:39:17
June 15 2017 01:38 GMT
#34
OMG WHAT YEAR IS IT????

I AM SO EXCITED

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Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
June 15 2017 02:19 GMT
#35
I like very, very, very, very, very few Terrans, but GuMiGod is one of them.

GO GUMI! I mean, I hope soO or Classic wins, but I won't shed a tear if the Towel Terran gets himself a Code S trophy.
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Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
940 Posts
June 15 2017 02:20 GMT
#36
The amount of cheese was hilarious.
:3
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
June 15 2017 02:38 GMT
#37
I feel like the title is missing the word 'finally'.
TerranOwnsAll
Profile Joined January 2014
359 Posts
June 15 2017 04:28 GMT
#38
I'll be voting for Gumiho winning GSL!
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Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 15 2017 07:38 GMT
#39
I'd favor Classic over GuMiho in the finals. Classic is the best preparation player left in SC2, and when he's in form (as he seems to be), his ceiling is immensely high.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 15 2017 07:41 GMT
#40
On June 15 2017 16:38 Olli wrote:
I'd favor Classic over GuMiho in the finals. Classic is the best preparation player left in SC2, and when he's in form (as he seems to be), his ceiling is immensely high.


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Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-15 08:01:05
June 15 2017 08:00 GMT
#41
On June 15 2017 16:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 16:38 Olli wrote:
I'd favor Classic over GuMiho in the finals. Classic is the best preparation player left in SC2, and when he's in form (as he seems to be), his ceiling is immensely high.


sOs?!


Still Classic! It's not that hard to figure out that herO dies to proxies
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Vendethiel
Profile Joined February 2017
213 Posts
June 15 2017 09:47 GMT
#42
On June 15 2017 07:21 Koektrommel wrote:
Am I a monster for secretly wanting soO to get another second place?

Same. Let's soO...see how many 2nd places he can take.
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
June 15 2017 09:55 GMT
#43
omg.. great for Gumiho!

Congratzzzzz dude
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Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 15 2017 10:48 GMT
#44
Stats knew Gumiho was the next finalist since the group selection
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13995 Posts
June 15 2017 10:59 GMT
#45
On June 15 2017 17:00 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 16:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On June 15 2017 16:38 Olli wrote:
I'd favor Classic over GuMiho in the finals. Classic is the best preparation player left in SC2, and when he's in form (as he seems to be), his ceiling is immensely high.


sOs?!


Still Classic! It's not that hard to figure out that herO dies to proxies

Not sure how 100% true that is...i still remember that halluc push he used vs ty on catallena
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Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
June 15 2017 11:02 GMT
#46
On June 15 2017 19:59 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 17:00 Olli wrote:
On June 15 2017 16:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On June 15 2017 16:38 Olli wrote:
I'd favor Classic over GuMiho in the finals. Classic is the best preparation player left in SC2, and when he's in form (as he seems to be), his ceiling is immensely high.


sOs?!


Still Classic! It's not that hard to figure out that herO dies to proxies

Not sure how 100% true that is...i still remember that halluc push he used vs ty on catallena

That was for 1 game (and in 2015, in LotV he's really not excelled at it). I believe Olli means preparing for longer series, and Classic is excellent at that.
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Windows 2
Profile Joined June 2017
6 Posts
June 15 2017 11:29 GMT
#47
If we're in Korea, when and where can we attend the grand finals?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-15 12:01:33
June 15 2017 12:01 GMT
#48
On June 15 2017 20:02 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 19:59 Cricketer12 wrote:
On June 15 2017 17:00 Olli wrote:
On June 15 2017 16:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On June 15 2017 16:38 Olli wrote:
I'd favor Classic over GuMiho in the finals. Classic is the best preparation player left in SC2, and when he's in form (as he seems to be), his ceiling is immensely high.


sOs?!


Still Classic! It's not that hard to figure out that herO dies to proxies

Not sure how 100% true that is...i still remember that halluc push he used vs ty on catallena

That was for 1 game (and in 2015, in LotV he's really not excelled at it). I believe Olli means preparing for longer series, and Classic is excellent at that.


Yup. Whenever Classic has time to prepare for a series or group he excels and shows up very well prepared for his opponents' map choices, strategies and playstyles. He's really really good at that and always has been.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1923 Posts
June 15 2017 12:36 GMT
#49
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.
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Singapore909 Posts
June 15 2017 12:41 GMT
#50
Bring out the towel !!
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Profile Joined June 2017
Russian Federation192 Posts
June 15 2017 12:45 GMT
#51
Classic will win the whole thing I guess
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Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
June 15 2017 13:33 GMT
#52
I wanted Maru to advance, but in a series consisting of primarily proxies, there is no true winner.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
June 15 2017 14:18 GMT
#53
if soo loses to gumiho in the finals he's destined to never win a gsl
Freeedom
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States199 Posts
June 15 2017 15:25 GMT
#54
GuMiho has been discounted all throughout his journey and he kept winning. So I think he has just as good a shot to win as Classic and Soo.

I honestly can't favor any of the 3 to win, all even chances if I was a betting man. I know Soo keeps getting 2nd place but i think this time he wont be nervous anymore... so what if he gets 6th 2nd place
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Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
June 15 2017 15:39 GMT
#55
I've been a huge fan of him since 2012. He plays very well. Grats GuMiHoooo
Wishing you well.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1419 Posts
June 15 2017 23:35 GMT
#56
On June 15 2017 04:18 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:13 LtCalley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:42 pvsnp wrote:
Either one of Classic or soO will have no problem taking down GuMiho. For soO in particular, this is a golden opportunity to finally get that GSL trophy.


LOL

king kong doesn't stand a chance in the finals, sorry

'King Kong' is exactly why this is such a golden opportunity. Gumiho's TvZ is crap compared to the Terrans you'd expect to see in the finals. He's the easiest opponent soO will ever get (in a finals).

As long as soO doesn't throw suicidally hard, the trophy is his for the taking.

gumiho has bot better career and recent form stats according to aligulac vs zerg than maru.

that and he seems to be a tough personal match up for soo. i don't think gumiho worries particulary much about soo tbh.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 04:36:15
June 16 2017 04:35 GMT
#57
On June 16 2017 08:35 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:18 pvsnp wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:13 LtCalley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:42 pvsnp wrote:
Either one of Classic or soO will have no problem taking down GuMiho. For soO in particular, this is a golden opportunity to finally get that GSL trophy.


LOL

king kong doesn't stand a chance in the finals, sorry

'King Kong' is exactly why this is such a golden opportunity. Gumiho's TvZ is crap compared to the Terrans you'd expect to see in the finals. He's the easiest opponent soO will ever get (in a finals).

As long as soO doesn't throw suicidally hard, the trophy is his for the taking.

gumiho has bot better career and recent form stats according to aligulac vs zerg than maru.

that and he seems to be a tough personal match up for soo. i don't think gumiho worries particulary much about soo tbh.

Yeah....not gonna rehash the same argument for the third time. If you are curious, read the earlier pages and the "Season 2 2017 Semi Finals - Day 1" thread, it's been thoroughly covered.
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
June 16 2017 08:03 GMT
#58
GuMigod! I love watching his play. Best of luck in the final, but I'm also conflicted as soO has been a kong for years
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Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13995 Posts
June 16 2017 09:20 GMT
#59
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.

My guess? No way in hell.
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AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
June 16 2017 09:56 GMT
#60
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.


Why? who even wrote the rest anyway? :p
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 12:11:58
June 16 2017 12:10 GMT
#61
[QUOTE][B]On June

If Classic wins this GSL which will most likely happen, will he officially be recognized as the most successful Protoss of all time with 2 GSL and 1 SSL ?
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 12:29:05
June 16 2017 12:28 GMT
#62
On June 16 2017 21:10 ParksonVN wrote:
If Classic wins this GSL which will most likely happen, will he officially be recognized as the most successful Protoss of all time with 2 GSL and 1 SSL ?

Still behind Zest and MC imo, but a solid argument could be made
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 16 2017 12:30 GMT
#63
Behind Zest and MC I'd say. Arguably behind sOs as well, though that depends on your criteria.
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Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
June 16 2017 12:42 GMT
#64
i think it's a little early to just hand classic the gsl lol

also agreed, no way is he ahead of classic or mc even w the win
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RandomPlayer
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation400 Posts
June 16 2017 12:53 GMT
#65
nice! is that his first finals? After so many years, he totally deserves to win!
killerm12
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovakia601 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 13:29:34
June 16 2017 13:26 GMT
#66
killerm12 Profile PM Joined November 2014 Slovakia562 Posts
June 03 2017 16:36 CEST #5
huh, as top half is only TvT Gumiho has actually good shot at being in finals

soO is getting another final - hopefully he can win it this time around


called it right there
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
June 16 2017 14:33 GMT
#67
On June 16 2017 21:28 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 21:10 ParksonVN wrote:
If Classic wins this GSL which will most likely happen, will he officially be recognized as the most successful Protoss of all time with 2 GSL and 1 SSL ?

Still behind Zest and MC imo, but a solid argument could be made

herO, Rain and sOs would also be above him imo.
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Koektrommel
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands47 Posts
June 16 2017 14:53 GMT
#68
On June 16 2017 21:42 Fatam wrote:
i think it's a little early to just hand classic the gsl lol

also agreed, no way is he ahead of classic or mc even w the win


You're right. Even with ten more GSL wins, Classic will never be ahead of Classic.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 16 2017 15:27 GMT
#69
On June 16 2017 23:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 21:28 Sakat wrote:
On June 16 2017 21:10 ParksonVN wrote:
If Classic wins this GSL which will most likely happen, will he officially be recognized as the most successful Protoss of all time with 2 GSL and 1 SSL ?

Still behind Zest and MC imo, but a solid argument could be made

herO, Rain and sOs would also be above him imo.


I think those you can debate, depending on how highly you value Korean tournaments. Rain, despite obviously being an incredible player, has an odd lack of results showing for his reputation.
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ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 16:37:10
June 16 2017 16:36 GMT
#70
On June 16 2017 21:28 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 21:10 ParksonVN wrote:
If Classic wins this GSL which will most likely happen, will he officially be recognized as the most successful Protoss of all time with 2 GSL and 1 SSL ?

Still behind Zest and MC imo, but a solid argument could be made


How can Classic be behind Zest (2gsl) and MC (2gsl) if he wins this one ? I mean 2 GSL and 1 SSL are huge since Korean value GSL > SSL > all
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 16:47:34
June 16 2017 16:47 GMT
#71
For Rain's accomplishments, look at this.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/483325-greatest-players-of-all-time-part-2

For understanding why Zest and MC are above Classic, look at this.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/482944-the-process-of-creating-the-top-15-greatest-list

I didn't include team league, so if you want to include that, then Rain is certainly above Classic in team leagues.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 17:25:02
June 16 2017 17:22 GMT
#72
On June 17 2017 01:36 ParksonVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 21:28 Sakat wrote:
On June 16 2017 21:10 ParksonVN wrote:
If Classic wins this GSL which will most likely happen, will he officially be recognized as the most successful Protoss of all time with 2 GSL and 1 SSL ?

Still behind Zest and MC imo, but a solid argument could be made


How can Classic be behind Zest (2gsl) and MC (2gsl) if he wins this one ? I mean 2 GSL and 1 SSL are huge since Korean value GSL > SSL > all

by that logic it would be Sniper>soO and Seed>sOs. There's more to it than just the number of Starleague wins.
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 18:26:18
June 16 2017 18:26 GMT
#73
On June 16 2017 21:10 ParksonVN wrote:


If Classic wins this GSL which will most likely happen, will he officially be recognized as the most successful Protoss of all time with 2 GSL and 1 SSL ?


No, SoO will dismantle classic and go on to get his second place. SoO will finish as the second best Zerg player ever and the second most successful sc2 player of all time.
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1923 Posts
June 16 2017 20:35 GMT
#74
On June 16 2017 18:56 AbouSV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.


Why? who even wrote the rest anyway? :p


It's a thankless job, but one someone has to do.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-16 21:07:20
June 16 2017 21:06 GMT
#75
On June 17 2017 05:35 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 18:56 AbouSV wrote:
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.


Why? who even wrote the rest anyway? :p


It's a thankless job, but one someone has to do.

mizenhauer we appreciate it, even the kpop references

Also happy birthday!
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1923 Posts
June 16 2017 21:42 GMT
#76
On June 17 2017 06:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 05:35 mizenhauer wrote:
On June 16 2017 18:56 AbouSV wrote:
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.


Why? who even wrote the rest anyway? :p


It's a thankless job, but one someone has to do.

mizenhauer we appreciate it, even the kpop references

Also happy birthday!


Thanks so much. I'll be at gsl today instead of slaving away at my computer. Can't think of a better way to spend my birthday.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 16 2017 21:55 GMT
#77
On June 17 2017 06:42 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 06:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 17 2017 05:35 mizenhauer wrote:
On June 16 2017 18:56 AbouSV wrote:
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.


Why? who even wrote the rest anyway? :p


It's a thankless job, but one someone has to do.

mizenhauer we appreciate it, even the kpop references

Also happy birthday!


Thanks so much. I'll be at gsl today instead of slaving away at my computer. Can't think of a better way to spend my birthday.

That's pretty awesome. I hope you cheer for the right player
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1923 Posts
June 16 2017 22:54 GMT
#78
On June 17 2017 06:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 06:42 mizenhauer wrote:
On June 17 2017 06:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 17 2017 05:35 mizenhauer wrote:
On June 16 2017 18:56 AbouSV wrote:
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.


Why? who even wrote the rest anyway? :p


It's a thankless job, but one someone has to do.

mizenhauer we appreciate it, even the kpop references

Also happy birthday!


Thanks so much. I'll be at gsl today instead of slaving away at my computer. Can't think of a better way to spend my birthday.

That's pretty awesome. I hope you cheer for the right player


Given that I liquibet soO in the season 1 finals and mod for him on twitch it should be obvious who I'm rooting for. Let's hope he wins for if no other reason than so he's in a good mood when we meet.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 00:01:52
June 17 2017 00:01 GMT
#79
On June 17 2017 05:35 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2017 18:56 AbouSV wrote:
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.


Why? who even wrote the rest anyway? :p


It's a thankless job, but one someone has to do.

Much thanks to you, the writeups are sadly underappreciated but so important towards constructing a narrative and building hype. Still think the ones in like 2013 were the best though....
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1923 Posts
June 17 2017 00:51 GMT
#80
On June 17 2017 09:01 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2017 05:35 mizenhauer wrote:
On June 16 2017 18:56 AbouSV wrote:
On June 15 2017 21:36 mizenhauer wrote:
I wonder if anyone will realize that the final two news posts of the season will be written by a different person than all the rest.


Why? who even wrote the rest anyway? :p


It's a thankless job, but one someone has to do.

Much thanks to you, the writeups are sadly underappreciated but so important towards constructing a narrative and building hype. Still think the ones in like 2013 were the best though....


The amount of time that goes into writing them is scary. It's can be hard to describe linear, sometimes dull gameplay in an exciting, fluid, dynamic manner, but I think people appreciate it. TvT in particluar is a challenge . Without being spruced up it would just read: player a drops, player b sieges, player a counters, player b drops, ad nauseum. When a game goes on for 20 minutes it may be exciting to watch, but on paper it's very bland.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-17 06:54:31
June 17 2017 06:54 GMT
#81
And the really thankless job is that of the poor guy editing every recap ;(
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1923 Posts
June 17 2017 09:02 GMT
#82
On June 17 2017 15:54 Olli wrote:
And the really thankless job is that of the poor guy editing every recap ;(


I will try harder to learn better grammar and show better recaps to my editor.
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ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States729 Posts
June 20 2017 19:43 GMT
#83
Dear Gumiho

I have been following Starcraft 2 since Wings of Liberty. You were there the whole time, and you never gave up. Now, you are one of the best players in the GSL, and no one is giving you the credit you deserve. You worked so hard. You make mech look viable. You are the most inspiring story in the GSL.

Please. Please, try your hardest to win. It would mean so much to me to see someone who has been working for as long as you have to finally win the GSL. You are the most inspiring story in the GSL. I love you Gumiho. Please win!
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