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Katowice25012 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4SDkrBH.jpg) Look at how happy this man is, he just competed in, or maybe near, WCS and it changed his life! This could be you!
WCS Austin Sign Ups Open, for DreamHack Austin
Good news, TeamLiquid...ians! WCS Austin happens on April 28-30 and we have opened sign ups to participate in it. The tournament includes 64 spots for open sign ups, which will play out in group stages down to 16 players, who will then play in groups against the 16 WCS Challenger players (which will be announced shortly but is not something we control so I don't have any more specifics on). Winning the tournament will earn a direct seed to the Global Finals at the end of the year, and the top 16 players will earn WCS points where the top 4 places will also earn Global Finals spots. There is also $100,000 up to grabs as with each WCS Circuit event.
You just need to fill out the form contained on this wcs.dreamhack.com page or you can access it directly here. Those signing up will also need a visitor pass for each day they will play in the event.
Sign UpDo it now! We're so excited!
Ways to Find Us
This is the part where I end and add all the links for where you can find information as we release it. We have a twitter at @DreamHackSC2 and a Facebook also named DreamHackSC2. There's also a main DreamHackFestival page and an Austin specific event page there as well. And of course we have wcs.dreamhack.com which has easier links to various rules and all that good stuff.
I'll probably keep posting things on TeamLiquid too. It's a weird thing for me, you know? But seems to make sense and would probably make my old and dear, dear friend mister Nazgul happy.
Let me know if you have any questions or if anything is unclear!
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Hype! Let's see if the NA crowd can keep up with the polish crowd and if the DH production can keep up with ESL.
Would be so cool if sc2 tournaments (at least the WCS ones) kept improving after this IEM, it felt a bit stagnant in the last 2 years, but IEM really stepped it up!
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I feel like keeping up with the Polish crowd would be pretty tough but good luck MURICA.
I propose we call ourselves Liquiddites.
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Glad they got rid of the bracket for ro32
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Koreans aren't allowed to participate in this tourny right?
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They split the qualifier spots as follows
4 North America
4 Europe
2 Latin America
2 China
2 Taiwan
2 Australia/New Zealand/SEA
I find this odd. 2 spots for Taiwan - 4 for Europe - this alone is ludicrous.
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I hope they try the 6 player per group format.
That worked really well last iem
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On March 08 2017 23:11 Zaros wrote:
Koreans aren't allowed to participate in this tourny right?
Only Koreans like TRUE and Violet who live outside of Korea.
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Katowice25012 Posts
On March 08 2017 23:11 Zaros wrote:
Koreans aren't allowed to participate in this tourny right?
More or less yes - it's close to the same WCS Circuit residency rules as last year, there's a quick summary of it here and the full requirements are in this rulebook.
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On March 08 2017 23:01 intotheheart wrote:
I feel like keeping up with the Polish crowd would be pretty tough but good luck MURICA.
I propose we call ourselves Liquiddites.
Liquiddites unite?
Despite living in Houston, won't be going to this Dreamhack. Hope Austin is a permanent fixture so I can make it next year!
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The pic and it's title made my day
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no koreans no interest. seriously, the skill gap is still so huge, its beyond me how anyone would want to watch tournaments without koreans. but tastes differ i suppose.
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no koreans no interest. seriously, the skill gap is still so huge, its beyond me how anyone would want to watch tournaments without koreans. but tastes differ i suppose.
The skill gap is only in the realm of terrans who are additionally OP at the moment, which gives a false impression as foreign players have little or no opportunity to practice against Korean level terrans.. You will find lots of instances where foreign Protoss or Zerg recently beat top Korean players.
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On March 09 2017 03:39 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +no koreans no interest. seriously, the skill gap is still so huge, its beyond me how anyone would want to watch tournaments without koreans. but tastes differ i suppose. The skill gap is only in the realm of terrans who are additionally OP at the moment, which gives a false impression as foreign players have little or no opportunity to practice against Korean level terrans.. You will find lots of instances where foreign Protoss or Zerg recently beat top Korean players.
There is no foreign Zerg is near to Dark, Soo, ByuL level, the same with Stats, SOS for Protoss.
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Apogee coming to Austin to fuck all y'all up, better get rdy
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The skill gap is only in the realm of terrans who are additionally OP at the moment, which gives a false impression as foreign players have little or no opportunity to practice against Korean level terrans.. You will find lots of instances where foreign Protoss or Zerg recently beat top Korean players.
While you are right in that the skill gap is by far the largest with foreign vs Korean Terrans, I challenge you to give me a single example of a foreign Protoss on the level of Stats or a foreign Zerg on the level of Dark.
Showtime is very good but not Stats-level. Nerchio is very good but not Dark-level. Foreigners have some really strong players, players that can beat most Koreans even, but nobody that can actually take on Korea's finest.
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On March 09 2017 03:39 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +no koreans no interest. seriously, the skill gap is still so huge, its beyond me how anyone would want to watch tournaments without koreans. but tastes differ i suppose. The skill gap is only in the realm of terrans who are additionally OP at the moment, which gives a false impression as foreign players have little or no opportunity to practice against Korean level terrans.. You will find lots of instances where foreign Protoss or Zerg recently beat top Korean players.
Tournament champions and win rates says otherwise... Totally lack of interest without koreans.
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While you are right in that the skill gap is by far the largest with foreign vs Korean Terrans, I challenge you to give me a single example of a foreign Protoss on the level of Stats or a foreign Zerg on the level of Dark.
Showtime is very good but not Stats-level. Nerchio is very good but not Dark-level. Foreigners have some really strong players, players that can beat most Koreans even, but nobody that can actually take on Korea's finest.
Stats lost to Harstem 0-2 in Katowice and lost to Nerchio in qualifiers to Katowice. He is definitely within reach of at least 10 foreigners. Dark - probably the best SC2 player right now, there is no example to give here, still given more opportunities he will be taken out. Generally the gap is closing and by each passing month the chances will improve.
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On March 09 2017 19:13 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +
While you are right in that the skill gap is by far the largest with foreign vs Korean Terrans, I challenge you to give me a single example of a foreign Protoss on the level of Stats or a foreign Zerg on the level of Dark.
Showtime is very good but not Stats-level. Nerchio is very good but not Dark-level. Foreigners have some really strong players, players that can beat most Koreans even, but nobody that can actually take on Korea's finest.
Stats lost to Harstem 0-2 in Katowice and lost to Nerchio in qualifiers to Katowice. He is definitely within reach of at least 10 foreigners. Dark - probably the best SC2 player right now, there is no example to give here, still given more opportunities he will be taken out. Generally the gap is closing and by each passing month the chances will improve.
Ro8 at BlizzCon 2016 - 5 Koreans / 3 foreigners
Ro4 at BlizzCon 2016 - 3 Koreans / 1 foreigner (who got stomped hard)
Finals at BlizzCon 2016 - 2 Koreans
Ro12 at IEM Katowice 2017 - 10 Koreans / 2 foreigners
Ro8 at IEM Katowice 2017 - 7 Koreans / 1 foreigner (who got stomped hard)
Ro4 at IEM Katowice 2017 - 4 Koreans
Finals at IEM Katowice 2017 - 2 Koreans
Not exactly what I would call "the gap is closing". I would even say that ProLeague disbanding was a good thing for Korean scene. Those top Koreans now seem to be so much more motivated than ever and they are producing amazing games at the moment (e.g. Katowice finals). As much as I like foreign scene, there is currently no foreigner at the level of top Koreans. Yes, some foreigners can play even matches with them. Sometimes even beat them here and there. But when the shit gets real, Koreans get the gold, trophies and respect. Global events tell the story here...
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On March 09 2017 19:13 Kafka777 wrote:Show nested quote +
While you are right in that the skill gap is by far the largest with foreign vs Korean Terrans, I challenge you to give me a single example of a foreign Protoss on the level of Stats or a foreign Zerg on the level of Dark.
Showtime is very good but not Stats-level. Nerchio is very good but not Dark-level. Foreigners have some really strong players, players that can beat most Koreans even, but nobody that can actually take on Korea's finest.
Stats lost to Harstem 0-2 in Katowice and lost to Nerchio in qualifiers to Katowice. He is definitely within reach of at least 10 foreigners. Dark - probably the best SC2 player right now, there is no example to give here, still given more opportunities he will be taken out. Generally the gap is closing and by each passing month the chances will improve.
Few games won against a player who plays a lot in every tournament says nothing, find me a foreigner can beat Inno 3-2, beat Byun 3-1, beat Dark 3-1 and take 3 games against TY in bo7 when it matters. By saying on the same level with Stats, that player must be capable of advancing to semi or final of big tournaments like Blizzcon, GSL, IEM.
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On March 09 2017 21:02 ParksonVN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2017 19:13 Kafka777 wrote:
While you are right in that the skill gap is by far the largest with foreign vs Korean Terrans, I challenge you to give me a single example of a foreign Protoss on the level of Stats or a foreign Zerg on the level of Dark.
Showtime is very good but not Stats-level. Nerchio is very good but not Dark-level. Foreigners have some really strong players, players that can beat most Koreans even, but nobody that can actually take on Korea's finest.
Stats lost to Harstem 0-2 in Katowice and lost to Nerchio in qualifiers to Katowice. He is definitely within reach of at least 10 foreigners. Dark - probably the best SC2 player right now, there is no example to give here, still given more opportunities he will be taken out. Generally the gap is closing and by each passing month the chances will improve. Few games won against a player who plays a lot in every tournament says nothing, find me a foreigner can beat Inno 3-2, beat Byun 3-1, beat Dark 3-1 and take 3 games against TY in bo7 when it matters. By saying on the same level with Stats, that player must be capable of advancing to semi or final of big tournaments like Blizzcon, GSL, IEM.
This will happen, and I think it can happen pretty soon, too. The problem is once it happens, people will always find excuses as to why Korean A lost to Foreigner B.
Btw: It's not too long ago we had a foreigner win Kespa Cup in Korea, surrounded by Korea's finest. But I guess there are ways to "explain" that too. 
That being said - Why can't we for once just be super happy that WCS Austin is happening soon and try to have a thread that does not end up on this mega worn out topic (which I am partaking in myself atm..doh!  ). In my opinion StarCraft2 is in a better state than in a while, and 2017 looks to be excellent in terms of tournaments - both regional and global.
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ALIVE GMAE!!!
Really great to see DH still having sc2, and giving the forgeiner scene some price money. I mean Korea has got the best year since 2013 With 3x GSL saisons 2x SSL saisons with Premier and Challanger and at least 2x VSL with Solo and Team league. And then the Pricepool of the WCS is also really great + the 400k WESG we allready got. I mean TY got in 2 months more prize money save then any other sc2 player got in one year. So all those dead game cry boys loosing all there stupid arguments. And even the weekly and montly cups like go4, Corsair or Shoutcarft have a big prize money. 2017 feels like a dream for me as sc2 fan.
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Hey guys, just wanted to check and see if I did this right. I signed up for Austin, but I'm not really sure of the process. Will all open-sign up games take place there or are will there be a prior process? When we go to the tournament, what equipment do we bring (i.e.: nothing, just mouse and keyboard, whole setup, etc.)? I know these are rookie questions, but I'm never tried a tournament so I was just curious what advice y'all might have.
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