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Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
1986 Posts
February 12 2017 05:26 GMT
#41
On February 12 2017 03:52 Vutalisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2017 20:49 Woosixion wrote:
I just wanna point out that soO scouting classic attempting to take a hidden expo really sealed the deal. Classic probably stays in the game had that not been scouted, And i can only guess that soO knew to do that so quickly because they were team mates for so long and classic probably tends to take hidden expos when he gets behind. Well done.

Cactus Valley reminds me of Frost which is a huge map and I died to hidden bases on that map like a thousand times. verecunda said above that this is soO's habit on big map so that makes sense. Also, he might do that so scout for hidden pylon that is used to warp in to harass while he moved out. Well-done indeed. I'm happy that soO advanced!


I was wondering when he took it why he took it there. Why not just take it at the southwest main instead of in the bottom middle like that? It wouldn't have been spotted.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
February 12 2017 06:55 GMT
#42
Innovation too good, and soO played so well, upsets Dark, wow!!!!!
also sick ex-SKT vs ex-KT matches in the quarter finals
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Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
February 12 2017 12:56 GMT
#43
Very sad for Classic. I think almost everybody agree that he really showed some special PvZ tricks and nice ideas yesterday. I really don't think soO has the energy and the top form of his best period in order to beat TY. Also he is a classical ZvPand ZvZ player, I don't remember any successful games against top terrans.

Looks like a TvT final with TY and Bogus, but we shall see. After Ro16, every player becomes different with different preparations and approach. I really hope for TY to get his first GSL title.
Oz; MMA; Rain; sOs; Classic, Soulkey, TY, Dark
Bijan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 14:26:08
February 12 2017 14:14 GMT
#44
On February 12 2017 03:13 Olli wrote:
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On February 12 2017 01:47 Lightrush wrote:
Thanks for the spoiler!


You're welcome to use spoiler free TL.



But I'm getting spoiled anyway


On February 12 2017 15:55 AzAlexZ wrote:
Innovation too good, and soO played so well, upsets Dark, wow!!!!!
also sick ex-SKT vs ex-KT matches in the quarter finals


I can't wait for this. TY and Stats are going to mop the floor with them. KT forever!
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2243 Posts
February 12 2017 15:11 GMT
#45
Thank goodness I've ticked the 'hide spoilers' box! ffs
Cogito, ergo Toss
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
February 12 2017 16:27 GMT
#46
TY - SoO
Stats - Innovation
This is already sooo good
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
February 12 2017 17:00 GMT
#47
On February 12 2017 08:25 Wallenberg wrote:
Sometimes I wished I'd spawn as a south korean, I mean, there are no girls like Gyuri in Sweden I tell you that... Wonderful hostess of GSL. Always happy.


Am I the only one who finds comments like this very very creepy?

Ah who am I kidding, this site already has an unhealthy obsession with K-pop idol culture. -_-
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16017 Posts
February 12 2017 17:11 GMT
#48
On February 13 2017 02:00 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 08:25 Wallenberg wrote:
Sometimes I wished I'd spawn as a south korean, I mean, there are no girls like Gyuri in Sweden I tell you that... Wonderful hostess of GSL. Always happy.


Am I the only one who finds comments like this very very creepy?

Ah who am I kidding, this site already has an unhealthy obsession with K-pop idol culture. -_-

don't know what's creepy about finding girls from a certain ethnicity particularly attractive. it's normal.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 17:27:43
February 12 2017 17:24 GMT
#49
don't know what's creepy about finding girls from a certain ethnicity particularly attractive. it's normal.


.......does 'yellow fever' not mean anything to you?


Am I the only one who finds comments like this very very creepy?


Not creepy so much as misguided. Koreans are people like everyone else. Imagining people on the other side of the world from you as fundamentally different just because they are exotic/fascinating to you is just (mostly) harmless dreaming.
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207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 17:34:16
February 12 2017 17:31 GMT
#50
On February 13 2017 02:24 pvsnp wrote:
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don't know what's creepy about finding girls from a certain ethnicity particularly attractive. it's normal.


.......does 'yellow fever' not mean anything to you?


Yes, racist obsession of white Americans.

I wonder what happened to KwarK...

On February 13 2017 02:24 pvsnp wrote:

Not creepy so much as misguided.


Sorry, being fetishized is most definitely creepy.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 17:46:29
February 12 2017 17:38 GMT
#51
Sorry, being fetishized is most definitely creepy.


But it's mostly born of ignorance. Isn't that something that should evoke pity instead of disgust?
Like Orientalism in general.
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c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
February 12 2017 18:31 GMT
#52
im sure its reasonable to be disgusted by the fetishization of foreign cultures

scholars would say its our duty to be disgusted by it, others would just say gyuri is hot and leave it at that. i dont typically pity a guy who knows whta he likes, but the world is full of beautiful , interesting women so ultimately hes just doin himself dirty. if he was in KR he might fetishize US girls which is very common with my friends in mexico. enjoying ur posts pvsnp
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10243 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 19:54:58
February 12 2017 18:52 GMT
#53
Although in general people tend to seek genetically similar (but not too similar) mates, there is research showing that some people have a genetic inclination to seek people who are sufficiently different from themselves to guarantee a lack of overlap in MHCs (major histocompatibility complexes) and that is just the tip of the iceberg. "Opposites attract," white guy vs. Asian girl, can have a genetic component to it. In layman terms, this makes sense because pursuing genetic diversity in mate and therefore offspring greatly decreases the chance for many recessive traits to become pronounced.

I'm not denying that weebs and foreign k-pop fans might have an unhealthy obsession with another culture/race, just that science justifies it for certain cases. Just as people can be born gay, others can be born pre-programmed to seek an abnormal drive to seek genetic diversity in mates.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 12 2017 19:20 GMT
#54
This is not the thread for this.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-12 19:28:34
February 12 2017 19:27 GMT
#55
im sure its reasonable to be disgusted by the fetishization of foreign cultures

scholars would say its our duty to be disgusted by it, others would just say gyuri is hot and leave it at that. i dont typically pity a guy who knows whta he likes, but the world is full of beautiful , interesting women so ultimately hes just doin himself dirty. if he was in KR he might fetishize US girls which is very common with my friends in mexico.

Olli does not approve, so I won't continue.


enjoying ur posts pvsnp

Thanks!
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zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
February 12 2017 19:37 GMT
#56
Seriously guys there are plenty of places to shame someone for who/what they are attracted to, but not here.

These were the sickest matches I have seen in a while and they deserve to be discussed! I recall Arty saying he had never seen the build Classic started out on against Dark, so even though Dark scouted it he still lost. Can anyone talk about how that strategy worked and was different? Like what Dark was expecting when he scouted?
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
February 12 2017 21:08 GMT
#57
On February 13 2017 04:20 Olli wrote:
This is not the thread for this.


Would you allow it if we talked about how attracted we are to Korean SC2 players?
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-13 04:00:33
February 13 2017 03:57 GMT
#58
On February 13 2017 04:37 zealotstim wrote:
Seriously guys there are plenty of places to shame someone for who/what they are attracted to, but not here.

These were the sickest matches I have seen in a while and they deserve to be discussed! I recall Arty saying he had never seen the build Classic started out on against Dark, so even though Dark scouted it he still lost. Can anyone talk about how that strategy worked and was different? Like what Dark was expecting when he scouted?


the early robotics classic used is really just uncommon. and his push was extremely delayed (Newkirk city) compared to the typical builds that use robotics. they usually do not have a third base so early, and they usually dont wait for like 4-5 immortals to push

i think when dark scouted his units/production he thought "fuck hes about to immortal push me, because i scouted this build hes doing, and thats what people typically do when you discover they have been chronoing immortals all early game instead of upgrading and buying splash/air units"

what clasic was thinking, "dark is going to get overlord speed and see this push and over prepare while i take my third. he will assume i am going to push immediately, because when this is scouted it can be countered by spire or x strategy. i will just wait for archon tech and go kill him, becuase he knows that i know that there is an expiration date on this strategy, and because i know that that he knows that i know that there is an expiration date on this strategy, i will make an educated bet and predict that he will make units and not a spire, fearing the immediate push and as a result, ultimately die to just "more" of the same stuff ive been making all game"

thats as best i can describe it, and spire might not be the best choice. but if dark played that game again, he would have tried to counter it much differently me thinks

ro32 and ro16 have had an immense amount of metagaming in them, really weird builds from all the races tbh
Saizuchi
Profile Joined July 2015
1 Post
February 13 2017 04:11 GMT
#59
Classic played so well but it seems soO really understands Classic's playstyle.
ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States712 Posts
February 13 2017 04:29 GMT
#60
Classic got so close. Using the voidray to take the queen agro while his oracles killed drones was super impressive. He jumped the gun and went allin on cactus valley instead of transitioning into templar tech, and that is why he lost.
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