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Silvana
3713 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cUASaj3.png) Banner by Sneirac http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2016_Proleague/Playoffs SK Telecom Starcraft II Proleague 2016 Grand Finals lineup Saturday, Sep 03 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/SPLlogos/jinair.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qPnpAJo.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/lichter/SPLlogos/kt.png)  Cure <Frost>  TrustMaru <King Sejong Station> TYTrap <New Gettysburg> ZestsOs <Frozen Temple> jjakjiCreator <Dusk Towers> Stats Rogue <Overgrowth> LeenockACE <Frost> ACE Source: SPL Facebook 
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Silvana
3713 Posts
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megatroneo
41 Posts
Predicting 4-3 JAGW (Cure, TY, Zest, sOs, Stats, Rogue, sOs>TY) | ||
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yoshi245
United States2972 Posts
Trust or TY might be lucky enough to get a win, not confident with Zest or jjakji though. | ||
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HooHooH
165 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think KT has a really good chance here, wtf guys -.- We say this every time though :/ | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
(T)Maru <King Sejong Station> (T)TY (P)Trap <New Gettysburg> (P)Zest (P)sOs <Frozen Temple> (T)jjakji (P)Creator <Dusk Towers> (P)Stats (Z)Rogue <Overgrowth> (Z)Leenock Not sure what the Ace Map is so I can't decide who wins. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Silvana
3713 Posts
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tjtombo
United States295 Posts
 Maru Has destroyed in tvt in proleague this season, Rogue got a zvz, even Creator got a Protoss (though i expect him to lose anyway). sOs jjakji should be a smashing | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
This time it isn't allkill though! In proleague format it's better for KT, and this lineup doesn't seem bad. TY vs Maru will be really important, but i think that's one TY absolutely can win. Leenock vs Rogue is decent as well, sOs gets a free win vs Jjakji but that's kinda good for us as well (best JinAir player currently vs worst KT) I think we got this! | ||
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Colouss
United States501 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2630 Posts
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:45 Brutaxilos wrote: First Proleague finals in 3 years that Classic won't be playing in. First Proleague finals in 3 years that Classic won't be playing the final map in. First Proleague finals in 3 years that he won't be cheesed out as well? | ||
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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Durnuu
13322 Posts
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MiniFotToss
China2430 Posts
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Ja.Y.
United States253 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Thomasmarkle
United States85 Posts
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b0ub0u
Canada445 Posts
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Thomasmarkle
United States85 Posts
On September 01 2016 14:03 b0ub0u wrote: How to they decide what players play what set? I mean both team present their lineup at same time so they don't know the opponent before they pick? Correct. They both present at the same time so they do not know who they will be playing against. Thats a big part of strategy and part of where "snipers" come in. They will field players who they think can take on an expected opponent. So its definitely a tough call of fielding someone who is all around strong verse someone who has a better record against specific races. | ||
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spir00
35 Posts
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
Edit: Cure > Trust Maru < TY Trap < Zest sOs > jjakji Creator < Stats Rogue > Leenock | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
Cool to see that he gets playtime, hopefully he wont be losing to carriers... Think Jinair are favored, but it could easily go to an ace match! | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24592 Posts
On September 01 2016 14:19 Mistakes wrote: ITS GOING TO AN ACE MATCH BOYS! Edit: Cure > Trust Maru < TY Trap < Zest sOs > jjakji Creator < Stats Rogue > Leenock That is exactly what I am thinking | ||
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Setsunai
12 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
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Duckman
United States158 Posts
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MLuneth
Australia557 Posts
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Heartland
Sweden24592 Posts
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Gekk02
Switzerland50 Posts
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Roadog
Canada1670 Posts
On September 01 2016 13:19 zealotstim wrote: then you have rogue playing the last spot and he has a history of choking under pressure Oh, you mean like in Game 7 against Zest in the 1st Round playoffs in 2016? Or Game 7 against herO in the Grand Playoffs in 2015? On September 01 2016 15:36 MLuneth wrote: Too many heathens in this thread not picking The Creator Is there anybody besides Zest who Creator can actually handle right now? I vaguely remember him beating Losira early in the year, but both of them played like utter dog shit. | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
On September 01 2016 15:34 FFW_Rude wrote: We can do this ! Hey Silvana ? You still in KR ? You watching this live ? Yes yes and yes 😁 | ||
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Wallenberg
203 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
On September 01 2016 16:27 Wallenberg wrote: Hint: Look at the very upper right of this site. Or go to timeanddate.com for more.I dont believe in God or anything but I swear to the SC2 Gods that Zest is in supershape. Im very afraid though, Im very scared. What time is this in Berling,Amsterdam, Stockholm time? | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
 (ZvZ last place on overgroth does not count!) | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 01 2016 16:55 AbouSV wrote: Why no Zergs (ZvZ last place on overgroth does not count!) The only other Zergs on either team are HyuN and Losira. In which case I'd also tell Losira to go play Olimoleague instead of putting him out in the Proleague finals. All things considered I'd say Jin Air got the better end of these lineups. If Zest hasn't recovered yet KT is probably boned. | ||
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egrimm
Poland1199 Posts
(T)Maru <King Sejong Station> (T)TY (P)Trap <New Gettysburg> (P)Zest (P)sOs <Frozen Temple> (T)jjakji (P)Creator <Dusk Towers> (P)Stats (Z)Rogue <Overgrowth> (Z)Leenock Maru vs TY is 40/40 If Maru wins -> JAGW win 4:2 If TY wins -> we go to an ace match where crazy mind games and sniping occurs. Should be great finals  HYPE! | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On September 01 2016 17:10 lichter wrote: jagw will poop on kt good opinion. almost objectively correct | ||
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StabiloBoss20
313 Posts
its a shame, that Zest might be not KTs Ace at the moment. i wonder if, JAGW would try to snipe him with Rouge again... and of course if he could do it one more time. but i think there is a good chance, that KT will bring TY or Stats, so JAGW will make a more conservative choise. | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 01 2016 11:58 BLinD-RawR wrote: when was the last time KT fielded jumanji? May 2nd where he failed to cheese out GuMigod. On September 01 2016 12:51 Silvana wrote: First Proleague finals in 3 years that he won't be cheesed out as well? He won 2 out of 3, and 2 out of 3 ain't bad. On September 01 2016 17:15 StabiloBoss20 wrote: its a shame, that Zest might be not KTs Ace at the moment. i wonder if, JAGW would try to snipe him with Rouge again... and of course if he could do it one more time. but i think there is a good chance, that KT will bring TY or Stats, so JAGW will make a more conservative choise. Rogue played all Jin Air's ace matches this year, I think to them he is a conservative choice. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16016 Posts
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Crocolisk Dundee
870 Posts
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killerm12
Slovakia601 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 01 2016 18:52 Cricketer12 wrote: Doesnt Maru crush TY? Or am I mistaken? Jin Air 4-2. They're both gods in TvT so it'll be decently close. If it goes long. Like their other 2 games in Proleague this year, even though some people apparently think those were one-sided stomps. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On September 01 2016 18:57 Elentos wrote: They're both gods in TvT so it'll be decently close. If it goes long. Like their other 2 games in Proleague this year, even though some people apparently think those were one-sided stomps. Should TY win, things get really tricky for the finals. TY looks to be the pick, which scares me away from having Rogue sent out... | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 01 2016 19:03 Cricketer12 wrote: Should TY win, things get really tricky for the finals. TY looks to be the pick, which scares me away from having Rogue sent out... Ace match map is Frost though, would be an okay map for Rogue against anyone. But I think sOs is Jin Air's ace now, he seems like he's in better shape than the rest of his team. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16016 Posts
if Maru wins JA wins, if TY wins it will go to ace. | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 01 2016 19:32 Charoisaur wrote: the games seem pretty onesided. the only close game is Maru vs TY. if Maru wins JA wins, if TY wins it will go to ace. I'm not sure about Cure-Trust and Trap-Zest tbh. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
I took the safe route and chose Cure and Zest. But I could easily see those games going either way. | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On September 01 2016 19:42 Elentos wrote: I'm not sure about Cure-Trust and Trap-Zest tbh. As long as cure plays non cyclone I think Cure will take it as he still has more exp and solidity in his matchup. | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 01 2016 19:51 swissman777 wrote: As long as cure plays non cyclone I think Cure will take it as he still has more exp and solidity in his matchup. That's what I'm leaning towards as well, but at the same time Trust is quite good against Terran so I wouldn't be surprised if he won. KT entrusted him (no pun intended) with the opening game of the most important match of the year, after all. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On September 01 2016 16:59 Elentos wrote: The only other Zergs on either team are HyuN and Losira. In which case I'd also tell Losira to go play Olimoleague instead of putting him out in the Proleague finals. All things considered I'd say Jin Air got the better end of these lineups. If Zest hasn't recovered yet KT is probably boned. True. I guess I just didn't wanted to face it :p | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
I still don't understand, how some people can choose TY, the second best terran in the world. Whenever he was playing against the best terran in the world, there was always a clear result ... But the other matches ...4-2 for Jin Air. | ||
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dazed25
3566 Posts
On September 01 2016 20:04 Elentos wrote: That's what I'm leaning towards as well, but at the same time Trust is quite good against Terran so I wouldn't be surprised if he won. KT entrusted him (no pun intended) with the opening game of the most important match of the year, after all. I feel like this is pretty good for KT. Not sure what the others in this thread are seeing. We are sacrificing our weakest player to sOs and the rest of the matchups are all winnable. And as long as Zest, Stats, and TY don't crumble they should be just fine. | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 01 2016 21:14 dazed25 wrote: I feel like this is pretty good for KT. Not sure what the others in this thread are seeing. We are sacrificing our weakest player to sOs and the rest of the matchups are all winnable. And as long as Zest, Stats, and TY don't crumble they should be just fine. Stats is the only KT player with an opponent I expect him to beat. Maru-TY is the closest game in the entire match and Zest has been nothing short of disappointing recently. sOs and Rogue are hugely favored. Trust could beat Cure but it would be an upset. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On September 01 2016 21:29 royalroadweed wrote: Zest got lucky. He missed both creator and rogue. Can we please let creator beat zest in the ace? Best match NA if it happens | ||
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ZertoN
Germany214 Posts
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FacelessScandinavian
22 Posts
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 01 2016 23:18 FacelessScandinavian wrote: no all-kill format? ;( No, not for the finals. | ||
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evoc_sc2
Italy2 Posts
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Prodigy181
United States14 Posts
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Makro
France16890 Posts
maru vs ty will decide the fate of both teams | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
Also, jjakji hype! Announcing a 2 base cyclone tank push. | ||
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Ctesias
4595 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
TY > Maru Zest > Trap sOs > jjakji Stats > Creator Rogue > Leenock ACE match sOs > TY Jin Air win 4-3 However, if Trust can pull of something mad then KT will take this. He beat Inno so he's probably only been practicing TvP | ||
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KappaKingPrime
United States468 Posts
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
Maru > TY certainly Trap < Zest probably sOs > jjakji certainly Creator < Stats certainly Rogue > Leenock certainly 4 > 2 | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
[B] Maru > TY certainly nahh TY sitting on 80 something percent TvT winrate. And that's when he's been playing in all 3 leagues, this time he's only practicing for one match. it'll be close anyway | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On September 02 2016 03:46 Fango wrote: nahh TY sitting on 80 something percent TvT winrate. And that's when he's been playing in all 3 leagues, this time he's only practicing for one match. it'll be close anyway Last time Maru lost to TY was 2014. Except of his vs Protoss matches, his BO1 games were quite one sided. Maru's TvT this year is 85%. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4958 Posts
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
On September 01 2016 16:09 Roadog wrote: Oh, you mean like in Game 7 against Zest in the 1st Round playoffs in 2016? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCAoHWJasHo Or Game 7 against herO in the Grand Playoffs in 2015? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5muTP9WzCU I'm not saying he's not a great player, I just remember several times throughout the past few years where his nerves got to him. He's obviously capable of winning high pressure games when he's in the right mindset. If his team is behind going into game 6 and he takes an early disadvantage I could see him getting flustered and losing his focus. Honestly though if it gets to game 6 I think he has a slight advantage over leenock. My thought about his nerves was intended to indicate that leenock has at least a chance despite rogue being a better player currently. | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 02 2016 04:33 opisska wrote: When it's bo7, suddenly KT doesn't look that hot It was enough for SKT. It's still a pretty strong lineup. | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
Maru>ty Trap<Zest sOs>jjakji Creator<Stats Rogue>Leenock Only thing I am not sure is Cure vs Trust | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
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sc2randomize
13 Posts
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 02 2016 05:53 sc2randomize wrote: Wew jjakji. It's a shame that KT doesn't have speed anymore. I feel bad for TY, but Zest got pretty lucky, all things considered. He's playing against a decent, not cannon-fodder, player, and considering that his PvT and PvZ hasn't looked so hot in recent times, PvP against Trap is as good as he's gonna get. Zest's last PvP matches were him getting destroyed by Patience and Classic. And I think specifically Patience's PvP isn't that much better than Trap's. | ||
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Calt
Finland1140 Posts
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Fran_
United States1024 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On September 02 2016 05:51 Elentos wrote: Fun fact, Trap, Creator and jjakji have all played so few games recently that Aligulac marked them as inactive. game so dead people playing in the single most prestigious match of the year are considered inactive... also with the portrait change, totally didn't realize you were elentos at first lol | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 02 2016 06:55 Cricketer12 wrote: game so dead people playing in the single most prestigious match of the year are considered inactive... also with the portrait change, totally didn't realize you were elentos at first lol Yeah I think he should change back. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
Also now I remembered how much I miss Flash. Fuck. | ||
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Kovzirg
126 Posts
On September 01 2016 12:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think KT has a really good chance here, wtf guys -.- That's extremely wishful thinking. This looks awful for KT. | ||
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On September 02 2016 11:42 Kovzirg wrote: That's extremely wishful thinking. This looks awful for KT. "Awful" is also a too optimistic word here for KT. After I saw the line-up, and considering the current form of KT players, I knew this game is over already, there is no hope for ace match. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Not even ace match huh? | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50586 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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warlocke
97 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On September 03 2016 01:09 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok anybody who wants to sigbet me on this, pm me. I say this at least gets to an ace match It would stupid to take that bet. Considering the matches being what they are you are an idiot to believe it will take any less than 6 games. Plus there are quite a couple of games that could very easily go either way. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 03 2016 01:30 Cricketer12 wrote: It would stupid to take that bet. Considering the matches being what they are you are an idiot to believe it will take any less than 6 games. Plus there are quite a couple of games that could very easily go either way. Hey i think that as well, some JinAir fans think otherwise though | ||
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Elentos
55560 Posts
On September 03 2016 01:09 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok anybody who wants to sigbet me on this, pm me. I say this at least gets to an ace match Why at least? Are you trying to account for a draw in the ace match into super ace match? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On September 03 2016 01:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: Hey i think that as well, some JinAir fans think otherwise though Some people are idiots...of course anything "could" happen. But it seems really strange to be so incredibly overconfident over things like Maru v TY | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 03 2016 02:03 Elentos wrote: Why at least? Are you trying to account for a draw in the ace match into super ace match? Maybe worded badly :D I think KT can take it for ace match possibly but i for the sigbet purpose i am also safe if it gets to the ace match and KT loses there ^^ | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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Alarak89
United States882 Posts
On September 02 2016 11:57 Alarak89 wrote: "Awful" is also a too optimistic word here for KT. After I saw the line-up, and considering the current form of KT players, I knew this game is over already, there is no hope for ace match. Well turns out some people can really see the future and some people are really 'idiots' | ||
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Kovzirg
126 Posts
On September 03 2016 01:30 Cricketer12 wrote: It would stupid to take that bet. Considering the matches being what they are you are an idiot to believe it will take any less than 6 games. Plus there are quite a couple of games that could very easily go either way. Actually as it turns out you would've been stupid making this bet lol. Good thing I didn't see your sig bet in time Red Viper  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 03 2016 21:41 Alarak89 wrote: Well turns out some people can really see the future and some people are really 'idiots' It doesn't work like that, nice try though | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Hope you got to see and talk to everyone and post a picture with Zest and Stats. | ||
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