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Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
August 10 2016 08:45 GMT
#21
incredibly lucky?rofl


I'm not saying uThermal is a bad player, he is among the best players in the EU. However, he was very lucky to play in IEM as he did not qualify for it, in fact he got there by pure coincidence - that is very lucky.
He is good but not as good as Snute and he clearly has a weakness against Zerg, 2 cheesy games gave him the upper hand. The games against Elazer played out in a similar fashion. In these two matches he had a very slim chance to win in pure macro games, nevertheless cheese paid off, it was a good decision - but it is very lucky that it worked. He wasn't lucky with Violet or Neeb, simply because he is better than Violet and TvP plays out in a different manner. While I respect his achievement and sincerely congratulate him I do not think he could repeat the result even if exactly the same tournament was played over again even 10 times in a row. So, yes, I think he was incredibly lucky.
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 12:27:34
August 10 2016 10:49 GMT
#22
On August 10 2016 17:45 Kafka777 wrote:
He is good but not as good as Snute and he clearly has a weakness against Zerg

He went 6-4 in 2 weeks against Snute with different styles and almost all games were close at minimum (besides some cheeses). I don't see any reason not think of him as at least as good as Snute.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 17:37:02
August 10 2016 17:33 GMT
#23
Now that "Acer" confirmed that they will have sc2 players, uThermal is highly likely to join them imo.

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
August 10 2016 18:28 GMT
#24
Anybody discrediting Uthermal's victory due to 'cheese' is a joke. He WON Shanghai, and almost made it to the finals in the other tournament, losing to Snute 3-4. If he was so cheesy Snute would've crushed him in the second series, but he dropped 3 games and it came down to a game 7.

Any Terran that has a winning record against Snute, doesn't crumble under pressure, and performs well against Protoss (and is a foreigner) is something to be treasured, as it is remarkably rare.

Tell me the last time a foreign Terran won a major even like Uthermal did? It's virtually unheard of.


GO UTHERMAL!!!!!!
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SC2FeaR1
Profile Joined June 2016
19 Posts
August 10 2016 20:59 GMT
#25
Okay so if you want to argue like that I'll try to show you the progamer perspective. If you go by the " lets play this whole series again" logic you will find alot of upsets and alot of results you would never expect! Since all that players do is prepare for a tournement so lets make an example: uThermal comes in with build X to counter Style Y from player Z. But if Z knows X he can change Y right ? That's exactly how tournements work ... preparation for your opponents and executed builds that may not work again you can't call this luck! This is just a nice example of how hardwork can pay off in this case since uThermal took the time to think and to come up with such strategys. So if you go by your logic every tounement win was sort of lucky since most styles do have a counter and every map is winnable if you take a look into it theres always a corner pros are cutting which couldve been abused!
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
August 10 2016 21:33 GMT
#26
I see it otherwise, if you do a cheese like with a three rax proxy attack - you are all-in. The chances that you will be scouted are about 50%. If you will be scouted you get an auto-loss. You are depending to a much lesser extent on skill (although it does matter) than on luck. Generally, you do it when you feel you will have a bigger problem in a macro game. The fact that uThermal played Violet instead of Nerchio was also rather lucky. I'm not saying this is bad or diminished his success, but luck was a very important factor. SOme say that better players get lucky - hope this satisfies you :-)
Shin_Gouki
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States313 Posts
August 11 2016 00:14 GMT
#27
Team Acer doesn't drop for another 6 or so days. If they pick up uThermal, they can pretty much be comfortable with a solid Terran to bolster the ranks.
Death comes in many forms
Mugen93
Profile Joined May 2015
16 Posts
August 11 2016 06:46 GMT
#28
On August 11 2016 06:33 Kafka777 wrote:
I see it otherwise, if you do a cheese like with a three rax proxy attack - you are all-in. The chances that you will be scouted are about 50%. If you will be scouted you get an auto-loss. You are depending to a much lesser extent on skill (although it does matter) than on luck. Generally, you do it when you feel you will have a bigger problem in a macro game. The fact that uThermal played Violet instead of Nerchio was also rather lucky. I'm not saying this is bad or diminished his success, but luck was a very important factor. SOme say that better players get lucky - hope this satisfies you :-)


The Chances to be scouted 50% is not true in this case. Snute never drone scout vs terran and Uthermal checked Snute overlord path in all his game on that map. The overlord of Snute was going under the main to check proxy there (it's a better location for the terran). Also Uthermal defeated Nerchio with this build after being scouted immediatly. I'll ensure you that to win with this build when you have half arrmy supply of your opponent you have to be better in microing and snute did some micro mistakes that cost him that game while uthermal microed pretty much perfectly. You can tell the difference for example when marinelord is doing this build, his micro was worst and he lost. So in my opinion even in that game skill was involved. About 3 rax reapers, well that is not a cheese, its a heavy pressure.
Akimbo
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada104 Posts
August 15 2016 01:50 GMT
#29
Team that is more premier then UThermal. Maybe Myinsanity, EG, Millenium?
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kurosu_
Profile Joined February 2013
France46 Posts
August 15 2016 08:16 GMT
#30
ThermalLiquid?
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
August 15 2016 09:28 GMT
#31
On August 15 2016 10:50 Akimbo wrote:
Team that is more premier then UThermal. Maybe Myinsanity, EG, Millenium?

onFire aka the new Acer team.
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