2015 SSL Season 2 Qualifiers Info: Date: 3/26 Location: Shindorim Techno Mart Intel e-Stadium, 3rd floor Game Type: Heart of the Swarm Format: Bo3 Single Elimination style until Ro4. From Ro4 and onwards, Dual Tournament style. Times: Morning session (12:30pm - 1:00pm) and Afternoon session (4:30pm - 5:00pm) Maps: Overgrowth, King Sejong Station, Expedition Lost
2015 SSL Season 2 League Info: Challenger League -
I guess they didn't want to seed the same Chinese player more than once. Presumably the S3 seed will be Toodming
TooDming, XY, Top and XiGua are probably all up for contention for next season. Maybe they could bring in some taiwanese players so we could see Has eliminate Flash :p
On March 25 2015 16:32 egernya wrote: Also, the article says Inno, Cure, Losira, and Zest are seeded into challenger league for overall/terran/zerg/protoss most wins in the first round.
On March 25 2015 16:32 egernya wrote: Also, the article says Inno, Cure, Losira, and Zest are seeded into challenger league for overall/terran/zerg/protoss most wins in the first round.
I hope this means Zest won't get knocked out by someone like TANGTANG.
On March 25 2015 18:19 GTR wrote: it's the start time.
also if macsed has a seed, only 11 players will be able to qualify?
Ah, thanks. 11? The players eliminated in the Ro8 last season (4), the top 4 Proleague players and Macsed = 9/24 for Challenge (he's not seeded right into the Main Event if that's what you're asking). Maybe they'll seed more players from the other regions. You could go for 12 - 14 qualifier spots I guess. Maybe even 15, they did 29 last season.
I guess they didn't want to seed the same Chinese player more than once. Presumably the S3 seed will be Toodming
TooDming, XY, Top and XiGua are probably all up for contention for next season. Maybe they could bring in some taiwanese players so we could see Has eliminate Flash :p
This is a nice feature! I'm glad to see that Kespa has realized that only seeding players via a qualifier is not the right way to go. Good selections aswell, all four players from the Proleague seeds deserve to be in the league
So weird to seed people by most Proleague seeds. Then again I won't complain because Zest is finally back in an individual league. The other seeds seem fine to me.
On March 25 2015 18:40 GTR wrote: oh i thought that the 12 eliminated in the ro16 would be seeded into challenger but i guess not.
edit: this was missing from the OP
챌린지 리그 - 지난 시즌 시드 4명 + 프로리그 다승 시드 4명 + 글로벌 시드 1명 = 총 9명 시드 - 시드 9명 + 예선 통과자 15명 = 총 24명 - 5전 3선승제 토너먼트로 승자가 16강 본선 진출 (12명)
Challenger League - Last Season's Ro8 losers (4) + Proleague Top Players (4) + Global Seed (1) = 9 seeds - 9 Seeds + Qualifiers (15) = 24 Players
Last Seasons Ro8 Losers: Leenock/Rogue/Dear/Super Proleague Top Players: Innovation/Cure/Losira/Zest Global Seed: MacSed
Thanks for providing this GTR. When I linked the thread last night, this info was not there to begin with. I'm assuming this info was edited in by the creator of the thread later on after I posted all the info.
I'm guessing they used last round for the PL cause Cure's only played twice this round. Happy with the Global Seed too, I love watching the iG boys, hopefully MacSed won't get a crappy draw like Jim did last season.
On March 25 2015 21:28 KatatoniK wrote: Sick, Cure and Rogue in by default.
I'm guessing they used last round for the PL cause Cure's only played twice this round. Happy with the Global Seed too, I love watching the iG boys, hopefully MacSed won't get a crappy draw like Jim did last season.
Yeh, the 4 players with the most wins in round 1's round robin.
On March 25 2015 21:28 KatatoniK wrote: Sick, Cure and Rogue in by default.
I'm guessing they used last round for the PL cause Cure's only played twice this round. Happy with the Global Seed too, I love watching the iG boys, hopefully MacSed won't get a crappy draw like Jim did last season.
Yeh, the 4 players with the most wins in round 1's round robin.
If so why isnt Yongwa invited? Just checked the stats and he had 5-0, while cure had 5-2. hmm
On March 25 2015 21:28 KatatoniK wrote: Sick, Cure and Rogue in by default.
I'm guessing they used last round for the PL cause Cure's only played twice this round. Happy with the Global Seed too, I love watching the iG boys, hopefully MacSed won't get a crappy draw like Jim did last season.
Yeh, the 4 players with the most wins in round 1's round robin.
If so why isnt Yongwa invited? Just checked the stats and he had 5-0, while cure had 5-2. hmm
Because the stats on that page are wrong and YongHwa actually only played 4 maps in round 1 .
On March 25 2015 21:28 KatatoniK wrote: Sick, Cure and Rogue in by default.
I'm guessing they used last round for the PL cause Cure's only played twice this round. Happy with the Global Seed too, I love watching the iG boys, hopefully MacSed won't get a crappy draw like Jim did last season.
Yeh, the 4 players with the most wins in round 1's round robin.
If so why isnt Yongwa invited? Just checked the stats and he had 5-0, while cure had 5-2. hmm
Because the stats on that page are wrong and YongHwa actually only played 4 maps in round 1 .
Oh ok, seems not everything in Liquipedia is reliable. ;P
On March 25 2015 21:28 KatatoniK wrote: Sick, Cure and Rogue in by default.
I'm guessing they used last round for the PL cause Cure's only played twice this round. Happy with the Global Seed too, I love watching the iG boys, hopefully MacSed won't get a crappy draw like Jim did last season.
Yeh, the 4 players with the most wins in round 1's round robin.
If so why isnt Yongwa invited? Just checked the stats and he had 5-0, while cure had 5-2. hmm
Because the stats on that page are wrong and YongHwa actually only played 4 maps in round 1 .
Dirty Choya inflating his players' stats on LP to make them look better
On March 26 2015 01:04 BreAKerTV wrote: Why is the global seed so wonky? I don't understand. I mean, if this is meant to be global then why is there only one guy from outside of Korea here?
Because since they dedicated only one seed to the global seeding, it is bound that there is only one guy from outside of Korea? d:
On March 26 2015 01:04 BreAKerTV wrote: Why is the global seed so wonky? I don't understand. I mean, if this is meant to be global then why is there only one guy from outside of Korea here?
Because they can't give out a bunch of charity seeds to players that show no interest whatsoever in trying to qualify on their own. 1-2 global seeds is fine, anyone else who wants to play in SSL can try out in qualifiers
It's sad to see global seed players to most likely to be eliminated in first round in last season.
Don't even know if they bare the cost of flight and accomodation in the first round. Either way it's better to keep it minimum number, and if any foreigners willing to fight, then they are more than welcome to go through qualifiers.
On March 26 2015 01:35 pichoo wrote: It's sad to see global seed players to most likely to be eliminated in first round in last season.
Don't even know if they bare the cost of flight and accomodation in the first round. Either way it's better to keep it minimum number, and if any foreigners willing to fight, then they are more than welcome to go through qualifiers.
Pretty sure iG will have to pay for MacSed's flight, but since China is at least really close to Korea it won't be as bad as flying from America or Europe (which is probably why no other foreigners took the invite from the EU/NA region)
Btw with this Life has 800 more points then he had at the end of last year and has also now prob guarantee both Maru and Life at Blizzcon this year. Life at 4050 and Maru at 3650!!! The end point the last 2 years has been 3200 points btw!!!
On March 26 2015 01:35 pichoo wrote: It's sad to see global seed players to most likely to be eliminated in first round in last season.
Don't even know if they bare the cost of flight and accomodation in the first round. Either way it's better to keep it minimum number, and if any foreigners willing to fight, then they are more than welcome to go through qualifiers.
iG thought about forming a pal'ship with CJ, who said the space is full.
On March 26 2015 05:43 Darkhorse wrote: I actually like the seeds for the top PL players. I only wish there could be PL seeds AND I could make fun of Zest for losing in the qualifier
Well you can tell TANGTANG to get through the qualifier and hope he plays Zest in Challenge
On March 26 2015 05:43 Darkhorse wrote: I actually like the seeds for the top PL players. I only wish there could be PL seeds AND I could make fun of Zest for losing in the qualifier
On March 26 2015 05:43 Darkhorse wrote: I actually like the seeds for the top PL players. I only wish there could be PL seeds AND I could make fun of Zest for losing in the qualifier
But zest doesn't even have a good pl record
He had the most wins in round 1 along with INnoVation, and the raw amount of wins is what they go by.
On March 26 2015 05:43 Darkhorse wrote: I actually like the seeds for the top PL players. I only wish there could be PL seeds AND I could make fun of Zest for losing in the qualifier
But zest doesn't even have a good pl record
Yeah looks like they go by wins and not win% which is kinda silly but is much easier to use
I guess thats fair in a way to go by wins. It's at least consistent because I think that's how they gave out seeds for some tournament at the end of last season. Kespa cup maybe? I forget
On March 26 2015 05:43 Darkhorse wrote: I actually like the seeds for the top PL players. I only wish there could be PL seeds AND I could make fun of Zest for losing in the qualifier
But zest doesn't even have a good pl record
Yeah looks like they go by wins and not win% which is kinda silly but is much easier to use
If you go by % they have 6 people with 100% winrates in round 1, 4 of which only played one game. If they wanted a different approach, they'd have to take the difference between the number of wins and losses for each player. But sorting by wins is obviously easier.
You could have win % with a minimum games played. like play in > 50% of matches but I guess that's also unfair to people who are slotted 4th on a team like SKT that wins 3-0 a lot
Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall)
Note: If they took the actual difference between wins and losses rather than just the wins or percentages, they would have seeded INnoVation, Losira, Cure and YongHwa; if round 2 and the round 1 playoffs are ignored.
On March 26 2015 07:14 Darkhorse wrote: Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall)
I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections
On March 26 2015 07:14 Darkhorse wrote: Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall)
I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections
Bleh even so. First off I would question why only round one counted and then I would ask why 6-5 is better than 5-3. Oh well.
On March 26 2015 07:14 Darkhorse wrote: Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall)
I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections
It has to, if they included round 2 we'd probably end up with something like INnoVation, herO, ByuL and then Losira or Dark or something (they don't count playoffs in the totals, so the statistics page on liquipedia doesn't help with that and I'm not gonna add up all the values myself <.<).
On March 26 2015 07:14 Darkhorse wrote: Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall)
I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections
Bleh even so. First off I would question why only round one counted and then I would ask why 6-5 is better than 5-3. Oh well.
Well, I reckon counting round 2 makes no sense because round 1 is over, round 2 isn't. There are still a few weeks for players to ruin/improve their round 2 record.
On March 26 2015 07:14 Darkhorse wrote: Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall)
I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections
Bleh even so. First off I would question why only round one counted and then I would ask why 6-5 is better than 5-3. Oh well.
I suppose I personally don't have an issue with it because I think he's better than his qualifier results.
Ironically Zest failed in qualifiers for years in individual leagues (while doing decently well in proleague) and then he qualifies for the first gsl, and wins. He then goes on to be the best player in 2014, and recently after making an individual leage (IEM Katowice) he wins. It should say something about the difficulty of qualifiers and the difference between them and televised matches
I'm glad SPOTV has introduced seeded players because it removes some of the perceived randomness in qualifiers and the disconnect between televised performance and performance at a pc bang
^^^"best player in 2014" is quite debatable. Don't mind the invite too much I guess even if he got so many wins solely because he played a shitload of games. I'm just happy Losira is in with his 5-1 record
On March 26 2015 08:47 Yorkie wrote: ^^^"best player in 2014" is quite debatable. Don't mind the invite too much I guess even if he got so many wins solely because he played a shitload of games. I'm just happy Losira is in with his 5-1 record
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Zest had the most dominant year since Mvp's 2011. He's the best player of 2014 by far.
On March 26 2015 08:47 Yorkie wrote: ^^^"best player in 2014" is quite debatable. Don't mind the invite too much I guess even if he got so many wins solely because he played a shitload of games. I'm just happy Losira is in with his 5-1 record
I think most reasonable fans considered him to be universally the best player of the year.
Gsl champion Gsl super tournament champion Kespa Cup Champion Ro4 GSL S2 2nd at IEM Toronto Ro4 GSL S3 Ro16 At wcs finals (lost to champion life 3-2 Ro4 Hot6 Cup 20-16 in proleague, KT beats SKT and wins the league.
Should be fairly clear he was the best player of the year
On March 26 2015 08:47 Yorkie wrote: ^^^"best player in 2014" is quite debatable. Don't mind the invite too much I guess even if he got so many wins solely because he played a shitload of games. I'm just happy Losira is in with his 5-1 record
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Zest had the most dominant year since Mvp's 2011. He's the best player of 2014 by far.
LOL. He won a GSL and the Kespa Cup. He didn't win the most money in 2014. he didn't win the most tournaments. He's up there for sure and probably was the best player of the year overall but don't compare him to 2011 Mvp. In 2011 Mvp won 2 MLGs, WCG, Blizzcon, and 3 GSLs. Not to mention smaller tourneys and team leagues.
Is this going to be live streamed? I hope TANGTANG qualifies then knocks out Zest again. Then he goes on to beat Zest in proleague. I'm hoping this becomes a rivalry. Also I like typing and saying TANGTANG.
On March 26 2015 07:14 Darkhorse wrote: Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall)
I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections
Bleh even so. First off I would question why only round one counted and then I would ask why 6-5 is better than 5-3. Oh well.
I suppose I personally don't have an issue with it because I think he's better than his qualifier results.
Ironically Zest failed in qualifiers for years in individual leagues (while doing decently well in proleague) and then he qualifies for the first gsl, and wins. He then goes on to be the best player in 2014, and recently after making an individual leage (IEM Katowice) he wins. It should say something about the difficulty of qualifiers and the difference between them and televised matches
I'm glad SPOTV has introduced seeded players because it removes some of the perceived randomness in qualifiers and the disconnect between televised performance and performance at a pc bang
What the what?
Ok first you say you think it's ok because his losses in the qualifiers aren't legit. So people who we think are good who fail in qualifiers we should just seed in. GIVE SOO
I don't get your second point "It should say something about the difficulty of qualifiers and the difference between them and televised matches". Are you saying qualifiers are harder or easier? Either way, they're something all players have to get through sooooooo what Zest shouldn't because reasons? Also your point about IEM doesn't do much for me.
Your third point leads me to believe that you think Zest is a bonjwa in the booth and he only loses in qualifiers because playing not on a stage is random. Huh. Guess that's why he is sub 50% in SPL and lost Hot6ix, Blizzcon, etc
Anyway I think Zest is very good and deserving of an invite. I don't agree that they arbitrarily decided to cut it off at round one and just go by wins not having a winning record but hey what do I know.
On March 26 2015 08:47 Yorkie wrote: ^^^"best player in 2014" is quite debatable. Don't mind the invite too much I guess even if he got so many wins solely because he played a shitload of games. I'm just happy Losira is in with his 5-1 record
I think most reasonable fans considered him to be universally the best player of the year.
Gsl champion Gsl super tournament champion Kespa Cup Champion Ro4 GSL S2 2nd at IEM Toronto Ro4 GSL S3 Ro16 At wcs finals (lost to champion life 3-2 Ro4 Hot6 Cup 20-16 in proleague, KT beats SKT and wins the league.
Should be fairly clear he was the best player of the year
it was Ro8 in S2 GSL, Ro4 was Maru vs classic and TRUE vs soO
On March 26 2015 07:14 Darkhorse wrote: Elentos you are absolutely right there are tons of people that have an inflated win rate without enough competition. However, I struggle to come to terms with Zest getting it (7-8 overall) over Byul (9-5 overall)
I think this was done from the proleague round 1 results, hence the selections
Bleh even so. First off I would question why only round one counted and then I would ask why 6-5 is better than 5-3. Oh well.
I suppose I personally don't have an issue with it because I think he's better than his qualifier results.
Ironically Zest failed in qualifiers for years in individual leagues (while doing decently well in proleague) and then he qualifies for the first gsl, and wins. He then goes on to be the best player in 2014, and recently after making an individual leage (IEM Katowice) he wins. It should say something about the difficulty of qualifiers and the difference between them and televised matches
I'm glad SPOTV has introduced seeded players because it removes some of the perceived randomness in qualifiers and the disconnect between televised performance and performance at a pc bang
What the what?
Ok first you say you think it's ok because his losses in the qualifiers aren't legit. So people who we think are good who fail in qualifiers we should just seed in. GIVE SOO
I don't get your second point "It should say something about the difficulty of qualifiers and the difference between them and televised matches". Are you saying qualifiers are harder or easier? Either way, they're something all players have to get through sooooooo what Zest shouldn't because reasons? Also your point about IEM doesn't do much for me.
Your third point leads me to believe that you think Zest is a bonjwa in the booth and he only loses in qualifiers because playing not on a stage is random. Huh. Guess that's why he is sub 50% in SPL and lost Hot6ix, Blizzcon, etc
Anyway I think Zest is very good and deserving of an invite. I don't agree that they arbitrarily decided to cut it off at round one and just go by wins not having a winning record but hey what do I know.
Also Zest was the best player of 2014 imo
I think you took my comment a bit out of context. I just meant to imply that the results of qualifiers seem to be often very different from the results in televised matches. As far as Zest is concerned, he just fits as an example, I am not really a fan of him personally beyond respecting him as a player.
On March 26 2015 12:31 Shellshock wrote: were they even streamed last time? it's the norm in korean qualifiers for there not to be a stream
Apparently SPOTV announced that they would stream the qualifiers. Also the stream's title is now "StarLeague Season2 qualifier".
Cool thanks! I'm pleasantly surprised.
i remember them hopping from whatever games they could get back when they were using the youtube stream. I remember specifically because I remember PartinG sOs'd MK to death in a series.
On March 26 2015 12:31 Shellshock wrote: were they even streamed last time? it's the norm in korean qualifiers for there not to be a stream
I think they did, I remember watching a Youtube livestream with Moonglade and I think it was Valdes casting some games (they didn't follow any series they just casted whatever they could catch)
EPT
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Leenock, 
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INnoVation, 
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