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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 04 2014 04:13 GMT
#41
what's a ipl
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 04:24:58
October 04 2014 04:14 GMT
#42
On October 04 2014 13:04 lichter wrote:
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On October 04 2014 12:56 pure.Wasted wrote:
On October 04 2014 12:47 sc2isnotdying wrote:
On October 04 2014 11:56 HmmmCookies wrote:
THE HYPE IS REAL!

2 players known to choke in finals, could go either way.

I hope soO wins this so we can finally crown a greatest player in the world without any doubt!!!


Even if soO wins, I'd still consider Zest to be a greater player atm.


Based on what?


Zest:
1st - GSL S1, GSL GC, KeSPA Cup
2nd - IEM Toronto
Semis - GSL S3

soO
2nd - GSL S1, GSL S2, DH Stockholm
Semis - GSL GC
Undetermined - GSL S3

Basically, does 3 second places and a title (if he wins) surpass three titles and a silver at the hardest foreign tournament ever? Depends how you rate GSL GC and KeSPA Cup.


32 player event > 16 player event. Also where is soO's 2013 S3 2nd place? That's recent enough to be relevant.
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
October 04 2014 04:19 GMT
#43
On October 04 2014 13:13 lichter wrote:
what's a ipl

A tourny full of zergs in late 2012. I'll leave the carnage to your imagination.
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
October 04 2014 04:23 GMT
#44
On October 04 2014 12:58 Shellshock wrote:
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On October 04 2014 12:33 lichter wrote:
On October 04 2014 12:31 Shellshock wrote:
I don't believe that stuchiu would go with the obvious prediction. I know in his heart he's really picking soO to win


actually this is olli's prediction

oh well that means soO has a pretty decent shot then


That research tho
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 04 2014 04:25 GMT
#45
On October 04 2014 13:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
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On October 04 2014 13:04 lichter wrote:
On October 04 2014 12:56 pure.Wasted wrote:
On October 04 2014 12:47 sc2isnotdying wrote:
On October 04 2014 11:56 HmmmCookies wrote:
THE HYPE IS REAL!

2 players known to choke in finals, could go either way.

I hope soO wins this so we can finally crown a greatest player in the world without any doubt!!!


Even if soO wins, I'd still consider Zest to be a greater player atm.


Based on what?


Zest:
1st - GSL S1, GSL GC, KeSPA Cup
2nd - IEM Toronto
Semis - GSL S3

soO
2nd - GSL S1, GSL S2, DH Stockholm
Semis - GSL GC
Undetermined - GSL S3

Basically, does 3 second places and a title (if he wins) surpass three titles and a silver at the hardest foreign tournament ever? Depends how you rate GSL GC and KeSPA Cup.


32 player event > 16 player event. Also where is soO's 2013 S3 2nd place? That's recent enough to be relevant.


lol i pressed edit

The argument is usually "best player of the year" and while worth noting, his 2nd in WCS KR S3 2013 is hardly recent. Otherwise Dear would still be in the discussion of best players for his double title.

32 > 16 might make sense mathematically, but the argument doesn't really hold under inspection. All tournaments have a Ro16, and before that, more rounds either in the main tournament or in the qualifiers. GSL GC and KeSPA Cup may have had "invites", but as they were the champions of each region it is arguable that it was hardly an invite and rather a qualified seed like a regular tournament.

The difficulty of winning said tournaments is what matters. Since GSL GC and KeSPA Cup both gathered champions and excellent players who won qualifiers, the gap between those tournaments and GSL isn't large enough to make winning those tournaments value less than a 2nd place in GSL.
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
October 04 2014 04:26 GMT
#46
Zest also has Ro8 at GSL S2 and IEM Shenzhen, but I guess that's not that meaningful comparing to semis and championships
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
October 04 2014 04:30 GMT
#47
On October 04 2014 13:19 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
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On October 04 2014 13:13 lichter wrote:
what's a ipl

A tourny full of zergs in late 2012. I'll leave the carnage to your imagination.


a tourney full of zergs who may have been riding on the highs of a zerg favored patch, one might say
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
October 04 2014 04:31 GMT
#48
Too much waving of other people's dicks, not enough hype.

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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 04:43:17
October 04 2014 04:42 GMT
#49
Soo should make history here and win his first GSL,,,but given the state of the Terran V Zerg match up atm, its very hard to bet against Inno.

I predict Soo going for off the wall strategies, as Inno's macro is the greatest in the game and his mech play the most powerful.
In a straight up game, Soofer will get crushed...
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
October 04 2014 04:43 GMT
#50
Excellent article. Really hoping soO can take this. Finals are his weakness, but if Innovation stubbornly uses the same strategy all games, I think soO can adapt and win. This is so exciting!
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illidanx
Profile Joined November 2011
United States973 Posts
October 04 2014 04:47 GMT
#51
I hope Soo wins. I feel so bad for him.
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junggg
Profile Joined September 2014
France33 Posts
October 04 2014 04:51 GMT
#52
Nice preview, go inno.
sc2isnotdying
Profile Joined June 2014
United States200 Posts
October 04 2014 04:52 GMT
#53
On October 04 2014 12:56 pure.Wasted wrote:
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On October 04 2014 12:47 sc2isnotdying wrote:
On October 04 2014 11:56 HmmmCookies wrote:
THE HYPE IS REAL!

2 players known to choke in finals, could go either way.

I hope soO wins this so we can finally crown a greatest player in the world without any doubt!!!


Even if soO wins, I'd still consider Zest to be a greater player atm.


Based on what?


Other posters have posted Zests achievements which are incredible but beyond that I was mostly referring to the eye test. His wins have just looked more impressive IMO and if you go back to their recent bo7, Zest looked like a better overall player in the h2h even despite the loss. Reasonable people will disagree, but to say that soO winning the GSL cements him as best in the world without debate is absurd.
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
October 04 2014 04:54 GMT
#54
The only thing innovation will be sniffing tonight will be that trophy
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 04 2014 05:14 GMT
#55
On October 04 2014 13:54 Holdenintherye wrote:
The only thing innovation will be sniffing tonight will be that trophy

Doesn't he have to kiss it?
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5458 Posts
October 04 2014 05:16 GMT
#56
I might try to watch this live today. Can't seem to find the location. Is it just at the GSL studio in Gangnam?
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
October 04 2014 05:54 GMT
#57
Hmmm, Inno used to actually be pretty weak at series planning, and I can't imagine being away from Korea helped. soO of course has had shortcomings on this very stage before, but I think he can actually take it vs Inno.
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 06:03:03
October 04 2014 06:00 GMT
#58
On October 04 2014 14:14 The_Templar wrote:
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On October 04 2014 13:54 Holdenintherye wrote:
The only thing innovation will be sniffing tonight will be that trophy

Doesn't he have to kiss it?

Well I assume after he wins and he holds the trophy, he'll awkwardly take a moment, awkwardly glance at the cameras, give it a sniff, then awkwardly kiss it.
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I was alluding to his last appearance in the GSL finals when he got a bouquet of flowers for 2nd place, then he sniffed it awkwardly, in case you missed the reference lol
Hadi2289
Profile Joined December 2013
Germany27 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 06:12:53
October 04 2014 06:00 GMT
#59
I would love to see soO finally winning GSL - he deservs it and you all know it :O

Edit: Ballsy prediction: soO wins this 4-2 by winning map 2, 3, 4 and 6.
2nd Edit: Gandalf said: "There shall be a proxy Hatchery on Foxtrot Labs."
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
October 04 2014 06:03 GMT
#60
On October 04 2014 14:16 SoleSteeler wrote:
I might try to watch this live today. Can't seem to find the location. Is it just at the GSL studio in Gangnam?

The last few finals have been there, so I assume this one is too. Haven't heard anything else.
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