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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 09 2014 17:08 GMT
#41
Flash played so well when I was watching him, and that was every game except after game 2 of the finals. :\
How badly did he collapse?
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18525 Posts
June 09 2014 17:12 GMT
#42
On June 10 2014 02:08 The_Templar wrote:
Flash played so well when I was watching him, and that was every game except after game 2 of the finals. :\
How badly did he collapse?


He only collapsed in game 6 of the final.
herO just suddenly increased his skill mid-tournament mid-series, pretty impressive to watch.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2630 Posts
June 09 2014 19:22 GMT
#43
Can we now have a Bo7 showmatch between Flash and Zest to determine who comes out of the Ro4 group?
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
June 09 2014 19:41 GMT
#44
WHAT?

I passed out when Flash was up 2-0. Sad...
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 09 2014 19:43 GMT
#45
On June 10 2014 04:22 Brutaxilos wrote:
Can we now have a Bo7 showmatch between Flash and Zest to determine who comes out of the Ro4 group?


Hmm more than setting the 3rd and 4th places, this might determine who is the real ace of KT
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
June 09 2014 22:07 GMT
#46
On June 10 2014 01:19 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 00:49 sharkie wrote:
On June 10 2014 00:26 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:54 silvana wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:48 sharkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:44 Pandemona wrote:
Flash ;_;
This was supposed to be your first major tournament (online) win

Oh well, good showing though.

Minus the silly SCV pull after SCV pull failures.


They were only silly and failures because herO has a counter build to scv pulls and Flash couldn't adapt!


I think this is a key point. I don't see him winning any tournament if he can't adapt mid-series...

...unless he prepares 7 different crazy builds or cheeses and gets away with them... #believe

There are not even 7 different viable builds (or rather sort of builds) in TvP to begin with.


well then he should stop playing like mindless innovation


it's still the best way to play TvP for most ppl. Solid build order into a good pull is probably the highest winrate strat in tvp.


This is nonsense.

SCV pull punishes some builds well, but it's pretty terrible against others.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
June 09 2014 22:10 GMT
#47
only vods no replays?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 09 2014 22:13 GMT
#48
I found the games highly entertaining. Thank you TB for putting this together. Top notch.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
June 09 2014 23:02 GMT
#49
On June 10 2014 07:10 Xinzoe wrote:
only vods no replays?


No plans to release replays. Last time we did it less than 100 people downloaded the pack and players would much prefer their replays not be released, so since there is so little benefit to it, we won't bother with it.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
ander
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada403 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 23:38:09
June 09 2014 23:37 GMT
#50
On June 10 2014 07:07 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 01:19 sAsImre wrote:
On June 10 2014 00:49 sharkie wrote:
On June 10 2014 00:26 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:54 silvana wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:48 sharkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:44 Pandemona wrote:
Flash ;_;
This was supposed to be your first major tournament (online) win

Oh well, good showing though.

Minus the silly SCV pull after SCV pull failures.


They were only silly and failures because herO has a counter build to scv pulls and Flash couldn't adapt!


I think this is a key point. I don't see him winning any tournament if he can't adapt mid-series...

...unless he prepares 7 different crazy builds or cheeses and gets away with them... #believe

There are not even 7 different viable builds (or rather sort of builds) in TvP to begin with.


well then he should stop playing like mindless innovation


it's still the best way to play TvP for most ppl. Solid build order into a good pull is probably the highest winrate strat in tvp.


This is nonsense.

SCV pull punishes some builds well, but it's pretty terrible against others.


It's not nonsense, lol. From a wholly winrate perspective, Terran has two choices after third bases are built; take a calculated risk and SCV pull hoping win the game outright, or play lategame TvP. Lategame TvP is extremely difficult at the best of times, and theres likely low winrates for the vast majority, pros included. Flash must've considered lategame TvP against herO a bad idea, and thought that SCV pulling was the way to go. Hardly nonsense.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 10 2014 00:27 GMT
#51
On June 10 2014 08:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 07:10 Xinzoe wrote:
only vods no replays?


No plans to release replays. Last time we did it less than 100 people downloaded the pack and players would much prefer their replays not be released, so since there is so little benefit to it, we won't bother with it.

I'm sure there would be much more than 100 people for this replay pack, but well if players don't want.

On June 10 2014 08:37 ander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 07:07 DinoMight wrote:
On June 10 2014 01:19 sAsImre wrote:
On June 10 2014 00:49 sharkie wrote:
On June 10 2014 00:26 TheDwf wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:54 silvana wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:48 sharkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:44 Pandemona wrote:
Flash ;_;
This was supposed to be your first major tournament (online) win

Oh well, good showing though.

Minus the silly SCV pull after SCV pull failures.


They were only silly and failures because herO has a counter build to scv pulls and Flash couldn't adapt!


I think this is a key point. I don't see him winning any tournament if he can't adapt mid-series...

...unless he prepares 7 different crazy builds or cheeses and gets away with them... #believe

There are not even 7 different viable builds (or rather sort of builds) in TvP to begin with.


well then he should stop playing like mindless innovation


it's still the best way to play TvP for most ppl. Solid build order into a good pull is probably the highest winrate strat in tvp.


This is nonsense.

SCV pull punishes some builds well, but it's pretty terrible against others.


It's not nonsense, lol. From a wholly winrate perspective, Terran has two choices after third bases are built; take a calculated risk and SCV pull hoping win the game outright, or play lategame TvP. Lategame TvP is extremely difficult at the best of times, and theres likely low winrates for the vast majority, pros included. Flash must've considered lategame TvP against herO a bad idea, and thought that SCV pulling was the way to go. Hardly nonsense.

Exactly.
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-10 00:49:20
June 10 2014 00:48 GMT
#52
Do yourselves a favor and check out the Flash vs Bbyong series. Easily among the best TvT series I've ever seen in Hots.

The entire tournament was great up until flash herped derped scv'd pulled 3 games in a row and threw the finals
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
June 10 2014 00:53 GMT
#53
I wouldn't call it throwing the finals, he just didn't want to get caught in late game TvP in 4 & 5, and Game 6 I think was just a major tilt job. But it wasn't a "throw"
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
June 10 2014 02:15 GMT
#54
Grata to herO, he seems like he is back in stride!!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-10 02:26:09
June 10 2014 02:24 GMT
#55
herO so imba,now whenever i play pvp and i go blink and see opponent has less stalkers. PROXY ROBO WIN!!!!

On June 10 2014 08:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 07:10 Xinzoe wrote:
only vods no replays?


No plans to release replays. Last time we did it less than 100 people downloaded the pack and players would much prefer their replays not be released, so since there is so little benefit to it, we won't bother with it.


im pretty sure there are lots of newbs here wanting to steal some builds
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8244 Posts
June 10 2014 04:02 GMT
#56
On June 09 2014 23:54 silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 23:48 sharkie wrote:
On June 09 2014 23:44 Pandemona wrote:
Flash ;_;
This was supposed to be your first major tournament (online) win

Oh well, good showing though.

Minus the silly SCV pull after SCV pull failures.


They were only silly and failures because herO has a counter build to scv pulls and Flash couldn't adapt!


I think this is a key point. I don't see him winning any tournament if he can't adapt mid-series...

...unless he prepares 7 different crazy builds or cheeses and gets away with them... #believe

We have someone called Mvp.
vhapter
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil677 Posts
June 10 2014 04:39 GMT
#57
On June 10 2014 08:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 07:10 Xinzoe wrote:
only vods no replays?


No plans to release replays. Last time we did it less than 100 people downloaded the pack and players would much prefer their replays not be released, so since there is so little benefit to it, we won't bother with it.


Although that's unfornate, I didn't really expect them to be released. But TB, do you really believe only 100 people would download the replays of such a stacked tournament? Not that it's gonna change anything...

By the way, thanks for amazing event! I've barely watched any Starcraft 2 as of late, but as soon as I saw Artosis's post on facebook about it and saw the line up... I just couldn't not watch it!
To live is to fight, to fight is to live!
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18525 Posts
June 10 2014 04:41 GMT
#58
Not releasing replays is a good thing. I don't like how every player's BOs get analysed and figured out. Let their opponents work!
PulseReaction
Profile Joined February 2014
Brazil6 Posts
June 11 2014 18:19 GMT
#59
TB, amazing tournament and I sure as hell would like the replays. If you reconsider I'll love you forever.

BTW, the casting was awesome.
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