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Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
September 18 2013 23:12 GMT
#41
On September 19 2013 06:29 Otolia wrote:
It's funny to see NA citizens come here and brag about the strength of NA ... or should I say the strength of korean on foreign teams.

My rebuttal will be this one : Production quality and entertainment.


I don't think anyone is bashing EU in general, only commenting that the playing field seems a bit weaker than NA.
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3711 Posts
September 18 2013 23:14 GMT
#42
On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.

Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year.


Honestly I'd much rather see more koreans join EU (yo blizzard fix your fucking netcode so they don't have the ping issues anymore, when we used a global server in beta it was possible to play koreans from eu just fine, so maybe just rerouting games with a ping above 150 or smth to a global server would be a solution) so I have a reason to watch. As it is the high amount of foreigners (which usually equals a lower level of play) has me only tuning in from the ro8 onwards. I really think it's super racist to prefer foreigners over koreans even though there level of play is so much lower, especially since it seems to be literally only because they are white and speak decent english.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
September 18 2013 23:15 GMT
#43
A : (P)StarDust,(T)Happy
B : (Z)VortiX,(P)MC
C : (P)Genius,(T)ForGG (nerchio is unable to win against Genius)
D : (P)TitaN,(T)MMA (Titan is actually freacking good )

it will happen,deal with it.
RIP MKP
BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
September 18 2013 23:43 GMT
#44
On September 19 2013 05:13 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.

Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year.


hopefully more Koreans join EU, it's the weakest region by far, needs some more talent.

I hope not.. For me EU is the most exciting region to keep an eye on because of the lack of Koreans.
HoneyBadger.784 Diamond KR "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 01:02:54
September 19 2013 01:01 GMT
#45
Yeah Europe WCS are unique and that's what makes them so successful (100k for last season finals,GSL/OSL and NASL can't do better ),we don't need no sub-korean competition again (not saying we don't need some koreans to spice it up,just saying that the actual balance is perfect )

What would be great on the other hand is the actual set of player distribution+ a few Africans and middle easterners to EU (just like 2 or 3 ),and this would be sick as fuck.

I believe (T)cArn represented morrocco at a WGC some time ago,and he could have the level for challenger league,(P)PandaTank could be another african representative too.

regarding middle east its gonna be a little harder,i've met a few masters in dubai/doha and most of them were foreigners that work here anyways :D
RIP MKP
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
September 19 2013 01:07 GMT
#46
Pathetic groups to be honest, but if they were able to beat all the big name good players in the tournament they can't be all that bad.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
September 19 2013 02:04 GMT
#47
This really should be the season of MMA
mYi.Rain | SKT1.soO
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 19 2013 02:04 GMT
#48
Every group has the same exact racial composition...What sort of sorcery is this.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 19 2013 02:16 GMT
#49
On September 19 2013 10:01 shid0x wrote:
Yeah Europe WCS are unique and that's what makes them so successful (100k for last season finals,GSL/OSL and NASL can't do better ),we don't need no sub-korean competition again (not saying we don't need some koreans to spice it up,just saying that the actual balance is perfect )


WCS KR numbers don't include Gomplayer + Kr streams + TV (for OSL). Basically all we have is foreigner views for WCS KR, and none of the KR viewer numbers.
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TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
September 19 2013 02:45 GMT
#50
On September 19 2013 11:16 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 10:01 shid0x wrote:
Yeah Europe WCS are unique and that's what makes them so successful (100k for last season finals,GSL/OSL and NASL can't do better ),we don't need no sub-korean competition again (not saying we don't need some koreans to spice it up,just saying that the actual balance is perfect )


WCS KR numbers don't include Gomplayer + Kr streams + TV (for OSL). Basically all we have is foreigner views for WCS KR, and none of the KR viewer numbers.

The pro-foreign agenda by most of foreign news writers refuse to acknowledge any statistics that goes against their beliefs.
It is very akin to Christians with creationists theories.
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
BPLOL
Profile Joined February 2012
United States55 Posts
September 19 2013 02:48 GMT
#51
Group B is the group of death? Hardly...

All these groups seem pretty straightforward on who is going to make it out (although EU seems to always have some of the best upsets :D )

GLHF to the players, should be some GGs!
★JD★MKP★DRG★BP★FIGHTING★
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-19 03:06:49
September 19 2013 02:57 GMT
#52
How do they choose these groups? Seems rigged to have 4 groups with exactly 2 toss 1 zerg 1 terran.


Anyways...gogogo MC time to reclaim presidency from these upstarts.
MC for president
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 19 2013 03:09 GMT
#53
Perfectly balanced Koreans, races. Pretty fortuitous for us, the groups should be pretty close
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 19 2013 03:40 GMT
#54
On September 19 2013 11:57 tdt wrote:
How do they choose these groups? Seems rigged to have 4 groups with exactly 2 toss 1 zerg 1 terran.


Anyways...gogogo MC time to reclaim presidency from these upstarts.

2 1st place finishers + 2 2nd place finishers from the ro32 groups, anyone who played against each other in the ro32 cannot be placed into the same group as the other in the ro16. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong on any of this.
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
September 19 2013 03:50 GMT
#55
Group D is my favourite group
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 19 2013 04:50 GMT
#56
On September 19 2013 06:51 SmoKim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 06:29 Otolia wrote:
It's funny to see NA citizens come here and brag about the strength of NA ... or should I say the strength of korean on foreign teams.

My rebuttal will be this one : Production quality and entertainment.


This. Remember how much bitching and crying there was in the two first seasons? "WCS NA doesn't support the growth of NA scene" or "Koreans shouldn't be allowed to play outside their own region" etc etc. Then when some people figured out that the majority of Season 2 finals players was from the NA WCS, then all the sudden BOOM "NA is the (second) strongest scene, Europe needs to step up". What a wierd mentality switch all the sudden huh...

I don't know if it's hillarious or just really sad. I dared not say it when it was a hot topic at the begining of WCS 2013, but personally i loved how all three regions had alot of strong players, regardless of what nationality they were from. Better players = Better Games = Better tournaments = Better Esports for everyone.

It's hilarious. And I dont understand how this is weaker than last season? Less fan favorites, more skill?
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
September 19 2013 04:54 GMT
#57
On September 19 2013 08:43 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 05:13 Popkiller wrote:
On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.

Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year.


hopefully more Koreans join EU, it's the weakest region by far, needs some more talent.

I hope not.. For me EU is the most exciting region to keep an eye on because of the lack of Koreans.

I agree with you.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
September 19 2013 06:09 GMT
#58
oooo Nerchio ForGG and 2 protoss in one group. that's going to be juicy.

gotta say I think this is Vortix's season as long as he doesn't meet up with say, MMA, in the knockout stages. definitely think he'll make a top4 run.
(>'.')>
kisoso
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria105 Posts
September 19 2013 06:28 GMT
#59
MC vs Thorzain - nerd chills... bring us back to the TSL3 times!
BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
September 19 2013 07:08 GMT
#60
On September 19 2013 08:14 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 05:13 Bagi wrote:
Pretty high chance of 6 Koreans in top8 and most of them protoss.

Oh well, maybe WCS will be better next year.


Honestly I'd much rather see more koreans join EU (yo blizzard fix your fucking netcode so they don't have the ping issues anymore, when we used a global server in beta it was possible to play koreans from eu just fine, so maybe just rerouting games with a ping above 150 or smth to a global server would be a solution) so I have a reason to watch. As it is the high amount of foreigners (which usually equals a lower level of play) has me only tuning in from the ro8 onwards. I really think it's super racist to prefer foreigners over koreans even though there level of play is so much lower, especially since it seems to be literally only because they are white and speak decent english.


Just because steak is better quality food than cheese fries doesn't mean I have to like it more.
HoneyBadger.784 Diamond KR "A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
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