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On May 05 2013 05:50 WindCalibur wrote:
I feel like people should get banned or warned for saying the same thing about people rating too high etc again and again without reading more in the OP on how and why some of players are higher or lower than they should be. I read and understood it. The list is a waste of effort honestly.
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On May 06 2013 14:35 SaltySam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 05:50 WindCalibur wrote:
I feel like people should get banned or warned for saying the same thing about people rating too high etc again and again without reading more in the OP on how and why some of players are higher or lower than they should be. I read and understood it. The list is a waste of effort honestly.
I respect you.
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I enjoyed it. Math and modeling is fun, especially when applied to SC.
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On May 06 2013 14:35 SaltySam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 05:50 WindCalibur wrote:
I feel like people should get banned or warned for saying the same thing about people rating too high etc again and again without reading more in the OP on how and why some of players are higher or lower than they should be. I read and understood it. The list is a waste of effort honestly.
What it really means is: Don't compare cross regions, and you should be mostly fine.
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On May 07 2013 04:58 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 14:35 SaltySam wrote:On May 05 2013 05:50 WindCalibur wrote:
I feel like people should get banned or warned for saying the same thing about people rating too high etc again and again without reading more in the OP on how and why some of players are higher or lower than they should be. I read and understood it. The list is a waste of effort honestly. What it really means is: Don't compare cross regions, and you should be mostly fine.
Which is why there used to be a TLPD for Korea and a TLPD for, well, not Korea. These days, however, it's not so simple to neatly separate the regions, since most everyone (apart from the low tier Kespa players) plays in a region that's not his own pretty often, compared to how it used to be in BW.
And now with WCS, separating the regions is even worse, since the only option would be to count various Koreans as North American, or European. It'd be just weird.
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he's milking the europeans for all their points!
but seriously, here's something more interesting than the aligulac ranking:
Offline vs Koreans
sOs is 85–40 (68%) O_O
Life is 146–79 (65%)
INnoVation is 101–58 (64%)
Flash is 104–61 (63%)
PartinG is 192–147 (57%)
ForGG is 62–51 (55%)
Bisu is 26–32 (45%) ;_;
white pplz
LucifroN is 11–23 (32%)
Snute is 26–44 (37%)
Scarlett is 15–24 (38%)
Sen is 39–56 (41%)
VortiX is 24–32 (43%)
NaNiwa is 73–105 (41%)
Nerchio is 44–40 (52%) positive
IdrA is 81–112 (42%)
HuK is 101–137 (42%) steady
Stephano is 141–111 (56%) impressive
you can also start from HotS, but the number of games is quite low.
INnoVation is 34–13 (72%) monstrous
sOs is 24–10 (71%) still beast
Flash is 30–18 (63%)
Soulkey is 19–10 (66%)
Jaedong is 13–7 (65%)^^
JangBi is 15–9 (63%)
Rain is 17–15 (53%)
Stephano is 4–13 (24%) -_-
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On May 07 2013 05:15 rift wrote:
he's milking the europeans for all their points!
but seriously, here's something more interesting than the aligulac ranking:
Offline vs Koreans
sOs is 85–40 (68%) O_O
Life is 146–79 (65%)
INnoVation is 101–58 (64%)
Flash is 104–61 (63%)
PartinG is 192–147 (57%)
ForGG is 62–51 (55%)
Bisu is 26–32 (45%) ;_;
white pplz
LucifroN is 11–23 (32%)
Snute is 26–44 (37%)
Scarlett is 15–24 (38%)
Sen is 39–56 (41%)
VortiX is 24–32 (43%)
NaNiwa is 73–105 (41%)
Nerchio is 44–40 (52%) positive
IdrA is 81–112 (42%)
HuK is 101–137 (42%) steady
Stephano is 141–111 (56%) impressive
you can also start from HotS, but the number of games is quite low.
INnoVation is 34–13 (72%) monstrous
sOs is 24–10 (71%) still beast
Flash is 30–18 (63%)
Soulkey is 19–10 (66%)
Jaedong is 13–7 (65%)^^
JangBi is 15–9 (63%)
Rain is 17–15 (53%)
Stephano is 4–13 (24%) -_-
Yup
We support all those functions and people are very welcome to do these kinds of lists using our site. We just post a simple one but I might consider doing weekly write-ups on some of these kind of statistics as well if people want it 
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On May 05 2013 20:02 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 07:02 Greenei wrote:On May 05 2013 05:46 Nerchio wrote:
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking. Or maybe you should read the fucking OP... or maybe one could think even if there is an explanation for it, that the rating is worthless if such a thing happens funny how dorks jump on the opportunity to be an ass with a progamer just because they can
No it's not worthless. It's the appliciants fault if he does not understand how to properly use a tool. Also obviously scouting has not much to do with a rating. See MKPs dominance.
Or maybe I don't give a shit if someone is a progamer.
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I have chosen a less sensationalistic title for this thread.
hahaha
ok you got me.
i officially like the aligulac guys now
FORGG #1!!!
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Life 1876
ForGG 1873
The ForGGeddon is coming.
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ForGG has always been a beast. No surprise.
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On May 09 2013 21:26 dreamseller wrote:hahaha ok you got me. i officially like the aligulac guys now FORGG #1!!!
If you want attention it seems to be a necessity. 
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On May 05 2013 05:46 Nerchio wrote:
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking.
Just because you are a pro does not mean you should reply to a thread without bothering to read the OP.
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On May 09 2013 18:51 Greenei wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 20:02 hastur420 wrote:On May 05 2013 07:02 Greenei wrote:On May 05 2013 05:46 Nerchio wrote:
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking. Or maybe you should read the fucking OP... or maybe one could think even if there is an explanation for it, that the rating is worthless if such a thing happens funny how dorks jump on the opportunity to be an ass with a progamer just because they can No it's not worthless. It's the appliciants fault if he does not understand how to properly use a tool. Also obviously scouting has not much to do with a rating. See MKPs dominance. Or maybe I don't give a shit if someone is a progamer.
lol what "proper use"? proper use is to produce useless numbers?
they show something, but the method to calculate the points is not perfect (not technically, it's probably very well written, but the idea itself), hence we have a flawed list where forgg is on top. there is no proper use of this webpage to produce a better list.
and btw MKP never dominated as much, and it was inevitable that he falls with such an obvious flaw
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On May 12 2013 00:38 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 18:51 Greenei wrote:On May 05 2013 20:02 hastur420 wrote:On May 05 2013 07:02 Greenei wrote:On May 05 2013 05:46 Nerchio wrote:
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking. Or maybe you should read the fucking OP... or maybe one could think even if there is an explanation for it, that the rating is worthless if such a thing happens funny how dorks jump on the opportunity to be an ass with a progamer just because they can No it's not worthless. It's the appliciants fault if he does not understand how to properly use a tool. Also obviously scouting has not much to do with a rating. See MKPs dominance. Or maybe I don't give a shit if someone is a progamer. lol what "proper use"? proper use is to produce useless numbers? they show something, but the method to calculate the points is not perfect (not technically, it's probably very well written, but the idea itself), hence we have a flawed list where forgg is on top. there is no proper use of this webpage to produce a better list. and btw MKP never dominated as much, and it was inevitable that he falls with such an obvious flaw
comparing regions/match up/players head to head... all things aligulac does well.
And btw if you think that MKP's fall has anything to do with its scouting, you're just blatlantly showing your ignorance of the game.
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On May 12 2013 00:38 hastur420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 18:51 Greenei wrote:On May 05 2013 20:02 hastur420 wrote:On May 05 2013 07:02 Greenei wrote:On May 05 2013 05:46 Nerchio wrote:
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking. Or maybe you should read the fucking OP... or maybe one could think even if there is an explanation for it, that the rating is worthless if such a thing happens funny how dorks jump on the opportunity to be an ass with a progamer just because they can No it's not worthless. It's the appliciants fault if he does not understand how to properly use a tool. Also obviously scouting has not much to do with a rating. See MKPs dominance. Or maybe I don't give a shit if someone is a progamer. lol what "proper use"? proper use is to produce useless numbers?
Aligulac gives predictions as well, just like ELO (even if you don't know about that). Those predictions are surprisingly accurate, as long as you do not compare cross regions. There's probably no easy answer to the ForGG problem, other than "subjective" analysis.
Edit: In fact, ELO suffers from a similar, but different, problem. Comparing across time period is useless due to grading inflation.
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On May 12 2013 01:27 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 00:38 hastur420 wrote:On May 09 2013 18:51 Greenei wrote:On May 05 2013 20:02 hastur420 wrote:On May 05 2013 07:02 Greenei wrote:On May 05 2013 05:46 Nerchio wrote:
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking. Or maybe you should read the fucking OP... or maybe one could think even if there is an explanation for it, that the rating is worthless if such a thing happens funny how dorks jump on the opportunity to be an ass with a progamer just because they can No it's not worthless. It's the appliciants fault if he does not understand how to properly use a tool. Also obviously scouting has not much to do with a rating. See MKPs dominance. Or maybe I don't give a shit if someone is a progamer. lol what "proper use"? proper use is to produce useless numbers? Aligulac gives predictions as well, just like ELO (even if you don't know about that). Those predictions are surprisingly accurate, as long as you do not compare cross regions. There's probably no easy answer to the ForGG problem, other than "subjective" analysis. Edit: In fact, ELO suffers from a similar, but different, problem. Comparing across time period is useless due to grading inflation.
The formula behind the rating is optimized with regard to predictions, to predict as many results correctly as possible
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Forgg being that high actually shows how bad the alligulac rating system is for sc2. also they need higher K-factor since sc2 is a game that evolves quickly. It shouldnt take 200 games and 1 year for a good player to reach the top
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On May 12 2013 07:24 Boucot wrote:
Suddenly, Polt.
The funny thing is, Polt has exactly the same problem that ForGG has: Both are beating up lots of foreign scrubs in smaller, non-Korean tournaments, and thus inflating their ranking. Of course, nobody's going to complain about Polt being ranked too highly.
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