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75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
May 04 2013 18:53 GMT
#41
On May 05 2013 03:26 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
This ranking is laughable...


you can get great predictions with that. though sometimes you actually have to use your brain to compare some players.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 04 2013 18:54 GMT
#42
On May 05 2013 03:35 Ph4ZeD wrote:
ForGG above Innovation. Kind of the end of your credibility right there.

it's explained in the op
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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 04 2013 18:58 GMT
#43
On May 03 2013 13:16 Vasoline73 wrote:
FORGG WILL RISE AGAIN! ARENA MSL <3


Yes pls.

"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
SaltySam
Profile Joined January 2013
65 Posts
May 04 2013 19:23 GMT
#44
ForGG isn't even in the top 30 best koreans....this list is quite worthless. imo
BisuEver
Profile Joined May 2010
United States247 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 20:44:45
May 04 2013 20:44 GMT
#45
If ForGG hit rank 1 would it do anything? Like what could actually happen?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/10873775/pa-presents-diablo-iii-console-comic-by-katie-rice-9-13-2013
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
May 04 2013 20:46 GMT
#46
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
May 04 2013 20:50 GMT
#47
I feel like people should get banned or warned for saying the same thing about people rating too high etc again and again without reading more in the OP on how and why some of players are higher or lower than they should be.
pzu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden287 Posts
May 04 2013 20:56 GMT
#48
Gz to the bachelor mate! :D
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 21:18:49
May 04 2013 21:14 GMT
#49
On May 05 2013 05:56 pZu wrote:
Gz to the bachelor mate! :D

Still haven't defended it But thx.

On May 05 2013 05:50 WindCalibur wrote:
I feel like people should get banned or warned for saying the same thing about people rating too high etc again and again without reading more in the OP on how and why some of players are higher or lower than they should be.

I am not going to report every single person who doesn't read the OP. I want to, but I feel like I would lose my report button pretty fast, and I like it for when people spew crap in LR-threads about "X being IMBA".

To the rest: While I do love the discussion of the ForGG matter, rest assured that we are still considering what to do. Obviously we can't have that a Korean, who plays a lot of tournaments, both winning and losing, but mostly winning, is gaining more points than a player we get to see once or twice every month. Obviously

+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously though, suggestions are always appreciated.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 21:30:25
May 04 2013 21:29 GMT
#50
We are well aware that ForGG is overrated (see OP for proof). Anyone who plays mostly outside of Korea is overrated, as would be the case with any unbiased rating system. Still, we're a bit puzzled (and amused, I'll admit) at the reaction he gets. The guy has maintained a 70% winrate since he moved to France, 9 months ago. That's equal to, or even slightly better than Stephano had during similar time periods in 2012. There was no end to the hype then.

I've said it before, and I don't mind repeating, that I think people put too much weight on titles and prizes, and too little weight on steady positive winrates.

As for scouting, well if a player wins 70% of his games without even scouting, maybe he deserves a high rating.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 04 2013 21:30 GMT
#51
On May 05 2013 05:44 BisuEver wrote:
If ForGG hit rank 1 would it do anything? Like what could actually happen?

It's just a joke about how ForGG's stats are heavily inflated by beating up Frenchies all the time therefore he's always high in the lists which prompts endless bitching all the time.
Glorious SEA doto
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 04 2013 21:32 GMT
#52
On May 05 2013 05:44 BisuEver wrote:
If ForGG hit rank 1 would it do anything? Like what could actually happen?

No one knows for sure, the Internet might implode.

Or what the guy above me said
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Sedall
Profile Joined July 2012
France66 Posts
May 04 2013 21:33 GMT
#53
Keep the good work guys. The aligulac prediction is really nice too.

On May 05 2013 06:14 Grovbolle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously though, suggestions are always appreciated.


It could be fun to have some rivalry feature that display every match a player played against his nemesis/dominator (like DRG and MKP or so on)

imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
May 04 2013 21:46 GMT
#54
On May 05 2013 05:46 Nerchio wrote:
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking.


well since he didn't play zerg after the queen buff something is wrong idneed.
Zest fanboy.
BisuEver
Profile Joined May 2010
United States247 Posts
May 04 2013 21:47 GMT
#55
On May 05 2013 06:32 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 05:44 BisuEver wrote:
If ForGG hit rank 1 would it do anything? Like what could actually happen?

No one knows for sure, the Internet might implode.

Or what the guy above me said

So would the internet win if that were to happen? Or would it be a wash?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/10873775/pa-presents-diablo-iii-console-comic-by-katie-rice-9-13-2013
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 21:54:02
May 04 2013 21:51 GMT
#56
On May 05 2013 06:33 Sedall wrote:
Keep the good work guys. The aligulac prediction is really nice too.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 06:14 Grovbolle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously though, suggestions are always appreciated.


It could be fun to have some rivalry feature that display every match a player played against his nemesis/dominator (like DRG and MKP or so on)



http://aligulac.com/results/search/?op=search&after=&before=&players=DRG
MKP Prime
&eventtext=&bo=all&offline=both&game=all


Can be done using the Results -> Search and then searching:
DRG
Marineking
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
May 04 2013 21:56 GMT
#57
It seems to me that your ranking is biased against Koreans who don't play outside of Korea as it follows a quantity over quality approach. Player A who travels to international events and beats a number of inferior opponents will get more points than Player B who plays a smaller number of games against the top tier of players and wins.

I imagine this problem is exacerbated by the top tier players Player B is beating likely also being low in the rankings due to not playing a bulk of games outside of KR. It's understandable but it does mean that you're going to have players widely recognised as top tier by the community not recognised in your rankings.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 04 2013 22:01 GMT
#58
On May 05 2013 06:56 Balfazar wrote:
It seems to me that your ranking is biased against Koreans who don't play outside of Korea as it follows a quantity over quality approach. Player A who travels to international events and beats a number of inferior opponents will get more points than Player B who plays a smaller number of games against the top tier of players and wins.

I imagine this problem is exacerbated by the top tier players Player B is beating likely also being low in the rankings due to not playing a bulk of games outside of KR. It's understandable but it does mean that you're going to have players widely recognised as top tier by the community not recognised in your rankings.

It seems to me that while you probably didn't read the spoiler I put in the OP, you are 100% correct. We all know that and are still thinking of a way to fix this.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
May 04 2013 22:02 GMT
#59
On May 05 2013 05:46 Nerchio wrote:
If a guy that doesn't scout in more than 50% of the games gets even close to rank1 it means something is wrong with your ranking.


Or maybe you should read the fucking OP...
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 04 2013 22:05 GMT
#60
While some of the rankings are a bit distorted (as many have mentioned), it's all based on a set formula, with very little subjective bias. For example, most people would agree that a player like Innovation is better than a player like ForGG, to adjust the rankings to reflect this would result in some subjectivity, which would weaken the objectivity of this ranking system.

Overall, it's a good system because it's quite objective, even if it results in certain distortions.
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