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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
January 11 2013 08:59 GMT
#281
too many bullshit rules by kespa. let him play immediately.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 11 2013 09:05 GMT
#282
On January 11 2013 17:54 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 17:22 algue wrote:
On January 11 2013 14:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Source: KeSPA release via ThisIsGame

The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.

The above posting method will apply not only to PartinG, but all eSF players who become teamless at the end of their contracts and express their desire to join a KeSPA team.

Also, in the case this posting process occurs again for a teamless player, teams that have already acquired a player through the posting will receive a lesser priority in the bidding and lottery process.



Does this acutally mean that if Parting (or any other player) wanted to join KT Rolster he could end up being part of Samsung KHAN's roster ?

,gah, more backstage bullshit. typical asian business practice


Yeah, typical asian business like NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB... Oh wait...
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
January 11 2013 09:07 GMT
#283
he should definitely go to STX Soultrain
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 09:12:49
January 11 2013 09:09 GMT
#284
On January 11 2013 17:54 chenchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 16:55 Dodgin wrote:
On January 11 2013 16:43 chenchen wrote:
On January 11 2013 15:40 hzflank wrote:
On January 11 2013 15:24 chenchen wrote:
On January 11 2013 14:21 Shyndashu wrote:
KT rolster gg. but blocking him out from WoL i think is a good move. It's like throwing the lion in the pit with tiger cubs and expecting the cubs to win.


Kespa players are very good. This season of Proleague has shown some really nice games. It's really unfair and biased to assume that Parting would be so much better than the Kespa players when he's lost to multiple Kespa players before.


He's the WCS world champion. He recently won a few other minor events (WCG) and is on form at the moment. Parting is so much better than almost all players, Kespa or not.


All the top Koreans are basically around the same level. Literally no one, not even 2011 MVP, has demonstrated actual complete dominance for extended periods of time. Every single player has had their ups and downs. Players appear, vanish, and reappear in the span of months.

Parting might do well in Proleague, but there's no guarantee that he would dominate like "lions among tiger cubs."


I don't think anyone is trying to say he will never lose a game, but you're ignorant if you think players haven't shown " dominance " at points during sc2. There are lots of cases of dominance. 2011 GSL January Mvp. GSL May & July Nestea where he won one of the seasons without losing a single game. Mvp from July 2011 to December 2011. MMA from GSL Oct to Blizzard Cup. Squirtle at IPL4 and 2012 GSL S2. Marineking in early 2012 with his back to back MLG wins in the winter season. DRG in early/mid 2012, winning a GSL, two MLG's and getting second place in two MLG's. Leenock in late 2012 winning a MLG, getting second in another MLG, and winning IPL5. And most recently Life winning two GSL's and an MLG in the span of two months, and Parting at BWC, WCG then Blizzard Cup taking 2 golds and a silver in three premier tournaments in about a month span, also winning the MLG tournament of champions.

Right now Parting and Life are on the top of the world, they are " dominating ".

They might all be near the same " skill level " but all of them but a select few are missing the qualities needed to become a multiple champion and perform in high stakes situations. Mvp is known for winning just because he's Mvp, despite not being at the top of the " skill " level.

If Parting can keep his form he will be the best player in Proleague and have the best record when he starts playing in round 4, assuming he adjusts to HOTS well.


I said extended periods of time. For all of the examples you gave, except January 2011 MVP, all of the players looked incredibly mortal in their successful runs. Even if they did not lose very much or not lose at all, many games looked incredibly close and had outcomes which could be ascribed to luck. Despite all that, as I've stated earlier, even the best players performing at their absolute best dip up and down.

No one has been consistently dominant in SC2 so far. At any given moment, the "rank ten" player or even "rank twenty" player could knock out the "top three" player in any given situation. It has happened over and over again.


You're actually completely wrong, from MLG Anaheim to Blizzard Cup Mvp either won every tournament he entered or lost after making top 4 to only two players in premiers. Those players being Leenock and MMA, who were the rank 2 and 3 players at the time. He won MLG Anaheim, GSL August, Blizzcon, WCG KR, Arena of Legends Team Ace Invitational, MLG Global Invitational Korea and WCG world finals. Took second in GSL October ( losing to MMA, rank 2 player ) got to the semi finals in GSL Nov ( lost to Leenock, the rank 3 player ) Lost to Leenock in MLG providence in the 4th place match after coming from the open bracket. Lost to MMA in the Blizzard Cup, and lost to MMA in the GeForce Pro/Am. For those 5 months he only lost a series that eliminated him from a tournament to those two players and once to Naniwa in the MLG global invitational ( non premier tournament ) during Providence.

You're nitpicking saying things like " they may have won but the games were close or luck based ". It's just grasping at straws, if the game was truly so random you wouldn't have players who win 3+ premier tournaments in a short period of time.
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
January 11 2013 09:09 GMT
#285
off he goes to sktt1 with rain <3
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 09:13:18
January 11 2013 09:11 GMT
#286
On January 11 2013 18:05 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 17:54 oneofthem wrote:
On January 11 2013 17:22 algue wrote:
On January 11 2013 14:20 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Source: KeSPA release via ThisIsGame

The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.

The above posting method will apply not only to PartinG, but all eSF players who become teamless at the end of their contracts and express their desire to join a KeSPA team.

Also, in the case this posting process occurs again for a teamless player, teams that have already acquired a player through the posting will receive a lesser priority in the bidding and lottery process.



Does this acutally mean that if Parting (or any other player) wanted to join KT Rolster he could end up being part of Samsung KHAN's roster ?

,gah, more backstage bullshit. typical asian business practice


Yeah, typical asian business like NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB... Oh wait...

none of which, not even the japanese posting system, is so backstage. get your tribalism in check

find me a process with practically 0 marginal value for bidding high in any professional sports league, and you'll see a very team dominated system with no players rights.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
January 11 2013 09:12 GMT
#287
[B]Team 8 could also use Parting, but seeing as they're sponsored by KeSPA, it would open a can of worms if the KeSPA team somehow got one of the best players in the world.


this basically happened in reverse in the NBA, where the NBA run Hornets had to move Chris Paul, and then the NBA rejected a completed trade for him and essentially picked where he ended up playing.

in this case though, I don't think it would be that bad. he has already negotiated his salary, so it's not like T8 could get him on the cheap. sure, you could call the randomization process into question, but that could be the case wherever he goes. that said, I don't think there's any chance he goes to T8. they could use the Jaedong money to buy him, but they sold JD for a reason, and it wasn't because he wasn't good enough.
eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 09:16:22
January 11 2013 09:13 GMT
#288
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.


so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?


Yeah, typical asian business like NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB... Oh wait...
its not really like this in european football. if u wanna buy a player and multiple teams bid, hey, then u gonna pay more.
tiaz
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden231 Posts
January 11 2013 09:15 GMT
#289
Can people PLEASE stop posting about this and calling it "betrayals" or whatever the fuck you're writing? He played out his contract and made a decision to switch, you could in that case argue that everyone that left the KeSPA-teams from the beginning to play SC2 also were TRAITORS...

Its in his full right to do this and I will support him no matter what.
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." - Iloveoov
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
January 11 2013 09:16 GMT
#290
Why wouldnt he be able to play right away, and calling it unfair? EG-TL has tons of Code S level players. Never heard that was unfair??
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
January 11 2013 09:16 GMT
#291
why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?


because kespa exists to support the teams, not the players. in this case, I think it's a pretty good method, honestly. gives the lower tier teams a better shot.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
January 11 2013 09:17 GMT
#292
On January 11 2013 18:13 eMGmoG wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.


so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?

They are doing there best to preserve the balance of the league. If they let the highest bidder win, it would for sure be SKT or KT. If its parting's choice its most probably still gonna be SKT or KT (maybe STX coz SOUL). Atleast with the random draft system, there is a chance that the lower half tier teams are gonna get him, if they bid.
Woo Jung Ho
FeltFace
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia577 Posts
January 11 2013 09:18 GMT
#293
On January 11 2013 14:22 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 14:22 Dakkas wrote:
So the trade embargo only works on players on teams? Leaving them bypasses that? Doesn't that seem a bit.....easy?


Only if they have their contracts expire. Parting's contract expired at the end of the year.
Also dislike that multiple bids results in a random drawing. It should go to whoever has the lowest ranking at the time of the 'draw' (so Samsung in this case).


It should go to whoever bids highest, otherwise Parting could get shafted.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
January 11 2013 09:20 GMT
#294
Sucks that the team that you end up on could be up to chance. I'm not going to speculate where he will end up.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 09:22:12
January 11 2013 09:21 GMT
#295
On January 11 2013 18:17 iLoveKT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 18:13 eMGmoG wrote:
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.


so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?

They are doing there best to preserve the balance of the league. If they let the highest bidder win, it would for sure be SKT or KT. If its parting's choice its most probably still gonna be SKT or KT (maybe STX coz SOUL). Atleast with the random draft system, there is a chance that the lower half tier teams are gonna get him, if they bid.

skt or kt can pay the other teams to have parting. it's a coase problem with a backstage solution.

only difference between this outcome and a free bid system with the highest contract winning is that the smaller teams instead of parting will be getting his value.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Miserie
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium92 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 09:21:36
January 11 2013 09:21 GMT
#296
I hope he'll end up in a team of his liking
Work work work.
fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
January 11 2013 09:22 GMT
#297
man this whole KeSPA e-sports Federation thing is hardcore...as much as I like to have players being salaried and taken care of, it seems so contractual. Good luck to PartinG though .
I'm terranfying
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
January 11 2013 09:23 GMT
#298
Hope he goes to STX Soul or Woongjin Stars.
FeltFace
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia577 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-11 09:27:07
January 11 2013 09:24 GMT
#299
On January 11 2013 18:17 iLoveKT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 18:13 eMGmoG wrote:
The Association will receive bids on PartinG until the 11th, and in the case multiple teams make bids, the team to acquire PartinG will be decided on through a random drawing on the 14th with PartinG, and team and KeSPA officials present.


so the teams that bid, they cant decide to give him more salary trough the bidding process? the salary is set if i read that correctly. this drawing is weird, i mean, why cant he decide where he wanna go if multiple teams bid the same salary and terms?

They are doing there best to preserve the balance of the league. If they let the highest bidder win, it would for sure be SKT or KT. If its parting's choice its most probably still gonna be SKT or KT (maybe STX coz SOUL). Atleast with the random draft system, there is a chance that the lower half tier teams are gonna get him, if they bid.


Fair enough, I just hope Parting doesn't get shafted (lower salary than what he's worth, bad team environment to be going into etc.). In the end it's all about results, whatever doesn't hurt his results.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
January 11 2013 09:29 GMT
#300
On January 11 2013 18:16 ThePhan2m wrote:
Why wouldnt he be able to play right away, and calling it unfair? EG-TL has tons of Code S level players. Never heard that was unfair??


Because rosters have to be set before the start of each round. I believe that's why Revival couldn't play for EG-TL in Round 1.
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