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DreamHack Bucharest Full Player list released

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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 05 2012 14:08 GMT
#1
"The competition at Romania will not only have 150 000 SEK, two direct slots to the Grand Final at DreamHack Winter 2012, it will aslo conclude the the ranking and the 12 qualifications slots. The DreamHack Summer Champion MaNa is returning to Eizo Open and will face the top of the leader board coming to Bucharest: Stephano, Ret, Nerchio, TheSTC, TargA and NaNiwa. They will all be challenged and have a run for the championship, the money and the last points for qualification.

01. Pulse desRow - Protoss
02. Team Acer Nerchio - Zerg
03. Team Acer Bly - Zerg
04. Team Acer ParanOid - Zerg
05. Mindfreak eSports TargA - Zerg
06. Team Liquid Ret - Zerg
07. Team Liquid TLO - Zerg
08. Western Wolves StarNaN - Protoss
09. Western Wolves Ziktomini - Zerg
10. Western Wolves SortOf - Zerg
11. Alien Invasion Seiplo - Protoss
12. Mouseports Protosser - Zerg
13. Alt-Tab.Gaming Sage - Protoss
14. Alt-Tab.Gaming CENSURE - Zerg
15. Alt-Tab.Gaming SonG - Terran
16. Asus ROG Elfi - Protoss
17. Team Empire Mista - Protoss
18. Team Empire BeastyQT - Terran
19. Absolute Legends DeathAngel - Zerg
20. Fnatic Rain - Terran
21. Fnatic Harstem - Protoss
22. Fnatic NightenD - Protoss
23. Fnatic Naama - Terran
24. JookTo - Zerg
25. TOP - Terran
26. VINES - Protoss
27. InCa - Protoss
28. Evil Geniuses Stephano - Zerg
29. Team Alternate Cloud - Terran
30. XMG XlorD - Zerg
31. Mionix NaNiwa - Protoss
32. Sleep - Zerg
33. Mousesports MaNa - Protoss
34. 4K funkay - Terran
35. Quantic theSTC - Terran
36. monchi - Protoss
37. Slapstick - Protoss
38. n0ise - Terran
39. BarCraft Bucharest eXeFreakdmg - Protoss
40. Alien Invasion tbeen - Protoss
41. IMG AureS - Terran
42. IMG jeysen - Protoss
43. robih - Protoss
44. Tendoi - Terran
45. Alien Invasion
46. LowLandLions PoYo - Terran
47. Serral - Zerg
48. FeverClan Ancestor - Protoss
49. Zeny - Protoss
50. Syn3rgi Tish - Protoss
51. Barcraft Bucharest bAppsMacheji - Protoss
52. Hardware Arena Gaming Sleeep - Protoss
53. Alien Invasion Tarra - Protoss
54. Vasacast Evaner - Zerg
55. Vasacast StarEagle - Terran
56. Mad Cow Gaming Darkthorn
57. NewRoSoft ZeroSkill - Protoss
58. NewRoSoft RaNgeD - Protoss
59. BarCraft Bucharest Andrei - Zerg
60. Ion - Protoss
61. SGi Kensho - Protoss
62. Syn3rgi NomaD - Zerg
63. Qnatek Giantt - Zerg
64. poInT - Terran
"
http://open.dreamhack.se/news/2012/10/05/dreamhack-eizo-open-bucharest-competitor-list.html


Pretty sick list, thoughts on a winner?

Also #24-#27 are 4 fairly interesting participants considering none of them have teams.
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Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
October 05 2012 14:10 GMT
#2
stephano going ? :O Can't believe i'm missing out on this (
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
October 05 2012 14:10 GMT
#3
Deathangel #1
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CygnusAres
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore893 Posts
October 05 2012 14:12 GMT
#4
Wow, How???? I don't understand. I hope this is not like "our last foreign trip" or sort of. Anyway, oGs Fighting!
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus. Favorite Players: TaeJa, Bogus, and Zest, Fighting!
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
October 05 2012 14:12 GMT
#5
24-27. Very interesting indeed! I dare not speculate at this point. We will see !
Jurg Jurg Jurg
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 05 2012 14:12 GMT
#6
JookTo, TOP, VINES and Inca must be considered the surprises. I wonder if they'll actually show up....
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
October 05 2012 14:12 GMT
#7
incaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......it is time my friends, we shall witness the rise of the dark.............. once defeated by NESTEA(GOD) 4-0, he will become the dark shrine which we pray upon in the coming years.................
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
October 05 2012 14:14 GMT
#8
Holy mother of god. Top, Vines, Inca and Jookto all going. Must watch this at all cost. oGs forever <3
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
October 05 2012 14:15 GMT
#9
wow surprising list of koreans, the tournament just got interesting
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
October 05 2012 14:16 GMT
#10
btw, no top koreans except for stc, dont see this being a very good tournament
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 05 2012 14:17 GMT
#11
GO INCA
Administrator
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 05 2012 14:19 GMT
#12


Moderatorlickypiddy
Mise
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland580 Posts
October 05 2012 14:19 GMT
#13
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 05 2012 14:21 GMT
#14
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.

Total biscuit's team?
Life: The New Champion!!
Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 05 2012 14:22 GMT
#15
TOP/ Stephano finals would be sick
Life: The New Champion!!
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
October 05 2012 14:22 GMT
#16
Obviously Inca will win. I guess Stephano is the favourite. Good looking line-up.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 05 2012 14:23 GMT
#17
On October 05 2012 23:21 Doubting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.

Total biscuit's team?

Pretty much my guess too. Pretty sure that's the case. Or another new team.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
October 05 2012 14:23 GMT
#18
On October 05 2012 23:16 X3GoldDot wrote:
btw, no top koreans except for stc, dont see this being a very good tournament

It's a Dreamhack, it will be good.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
October 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#19
On October 05 2012 23:12 Kreb wrote:
JookTo, TOP, VINES and Inca must be considered the surprises. I wonder if they'll actually show up....

Exactly my thoughts. But would be nice to see TOP and Inca play.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
October 05 2012 14:24 GMT
#20
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.


This. They can't afford to go on their own payings.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
October 05 2012 14:26 GMT
#21
Looking forward to this one!
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
October 05 2012 14:26 GMT
#22
Jookto, TOP, VINES and Inca whaaaaat
Ryncol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States980 Posts
October 05 2012 14:28 GMT
#23
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.

God, I hope so
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
October 05 2012 14:28 GMT
#24
On October 05 2012 23:24 MrMercuG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.


This. They can't afford to go on their own payings.

Maybe FXO? I think Leenock said that FXO will pickup 3 new players in Oktober or something along those lines.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
CygnusAres
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore893 Posts
October 05 2012 14:29 GMT
#25
Oh, I missed those previews when Inca was in code S. Hope we get the chance to read it again on Dreamhack preview.
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus. Favorite Players: TaeJa, Bogus, and Zest, Fighting!
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
October 05 2012 14:29 GMT
#26
oGs? oGs. If oGs would reform I would party so hard...
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
October 05 2012 14:31 GMT
#27
I want so much to see all top finnish players in one tournament (Not only Finn tournament)! It was close in Valencia but some cancelle

Welmu, Protosser, Satiini, Elfi, Naama, Fuzer!
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
reqc1992
Profile Joined August 2011
19 Posts
October 05 2012 14:32 GMT
#28
Desrow is Canadian btw , he's not from the united states.
Opportunities come once in a life time
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
October 05 2012 14:33 GMT
#29
ogs returns ??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
October 05 2012 14:34 GMT
#30
Can we get some clarification on participant no 45? The name is incomplete/only shows team name.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
October 05 2012 14:38 GMT
#31
Gogogo NaNiwa! Also nice to see SorfOf and StarNaN.

I miss SaSe...
EZ4ENCE
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
October 05 2012 14:42 GMT
#32
oGs players :D

yeahhhhhhhhh
grimmjowxbcx
Profile Joined December 2010
79 Posts
October 05 2012 14:43 GMT
#33
On October 05 2012 23:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
GO INCA



INCA !!!!!
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
October 05 2012 14:43 GMT
#34
On October 05 2012 23:23 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 23:21 Doubting wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.

Total biscuit's team?

Pretty much my guess too. Pretty sure that's the case. Or another new team.

No Crank, so it would be a surprise for them to be going but not Crank if they were sponsored by TB.
HOLY CHECK!
Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
October 05 2012 14:44 GMT
#35
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
October 05 2012 14:44 GMT
#36
It's an open tournament
FCGrandpa
Profile Joined August 2012
United States1 Post
October 05 2012 14:47 GMT
#37
Go Ancestor!!
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
October 05 2012 14:51 GMT
#38
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.

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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 05 2012 14:57 GMT
#39
--- Nuked ---
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
October 05 2012 14:58 GMT
#40
On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


it's kinda weird how no tournaments are banning him and his team didn't release any statement. I don't hate the guy but it seems odd =/
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MyFirstProbe
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands294 Posts
October 05 2012 15:02 GMT
#41
It's funny that dreamhack almost never has all the bst players and tiptop koreans in it, but always has super good games and is still my favourite tournament to watch.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
October 05 2012 15:05 GMT
#42
Welp.. Stephano, Nerchio, Naniwa, SortOf, Bly, Ret, Seiplo, Rain, Mana, theSTC, JookTo, TOP, VINES, InCa, Sleep etc......

Thats looking good!
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
October 05 2012 15:11 GMT
#43
JookTo is my favorite zergs and has a chance to win?
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 15:22:36
October 05 2012 15:21 GMT
#44
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
October 05 2012 15:24 GMT
#45
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 05 2012 15:25 GMT
#46
wait so is deathangel going or is it veralynn?
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Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 15:27:00
October 05 2012 15:26 GMT
#47
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.


He's Seeded so it was an invite so YEAH REALLY.
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
October 05 2012 15:27 GMT
#48
On October 06 2012 00:25 renaissanceMAN wrote:
wait so is deathangel going or is it veralynn?


If he turns up in drag all is forgiven as far as i'm concerned xD
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Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
October 05 2012 15:27 GMT
#49
DeathAngel is going. Veralyn will be there to cheer for him.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
October 05 2012 15:32 GMT
#50
On October 06 2012 00:26 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.


He's Seeded so it was an invite so YEAH REALLY.


seeded in a open tournament? what?
robih
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria1086 Posts
October 05 2012 15:34 GMT
#51
go robih and slapstick!!
WilDMousE
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile1335 Posts
October 05 2012 15:34 GMT
#52
Veralyn is attending, playing on Deathangel 8D
Barackopala
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
October 05 2012 15:37 GMT
#53
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

DreamHack has no legal rights to stop someone from participating in their tournament? I would love to hear how much you scored in your exams for your degree in Romanian law.
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Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
October 05 2012 15:39 GMT
#54
TLO! :D
Hey man
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
October 05 2012 15:43 GMT
#55
i hope a romanian does well at this...
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 05 2012 15:45 GMT
#56
On October 06 2012 00:32 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:26 Mackus wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.


He's Seeded so it was an invite so YEAH REALLY.


seeded in a open tournament? what?


Just stop, for your own sake, please.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
October 05 2012 15:47 GMT
#57
On October 06 2012 00:37 Noam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

DreamHack has no legal rights to stop someone from participating in their tournament? I would love to hear how much you scored in your exams for your degree in Romanian law.


Well tell me on what grounds can they deny a player when they have a tournament open for everyone? They cant.
Btw Romania is part of the Eu, so i dont need to know crap about Romanian law.
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
October 05 2012 15:48 GMT
#58
Not impressed by the lineup, but I'll suck it up because Dreamhack has the best foreign production.
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 15:49:40
October 05 2012 15:48 GMT
#59
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 05 2012 15:49 GMT
#60
On October 06 2012 00:47 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:37 Noam wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

DreamHack has no legal rights to stop someone from participating in their tournament? I would love to hear how much you scored in your exams for your degree in Romanian law.


Well tell me on what grounds can they deny a player when they have a tournament open for everyone? They cant.
Btw Romania is part of the Eu, so i dont need to know crap about Romanian law.


The fact that he could actually still goto Prison if the people he played or organisation under VeraLynn's alias made a complaint for Fraud?

Yeah nothing serious at all

Christ.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 05 2012 15:50 GMT
#61
So oGs is having a reunion party in Romania then? The list of Koreans attending would have been exciting 18 months ago, but nowadays not so much, although theStC is at least decent. It will be interesting to see how Europe's finest stack up against these 3rd tier Koreans.
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
October 05 2012 15:50 GMT
#62
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
October 05 2012 15:52 GMT
#63
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
October 05 2012 15:53 GMT
#64
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries.


No, just no.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
October 05 2012 15:54 GMT
#65
On October 06 2012 00:53 Putty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries.


No, just no.

Yes it does. He comitted fraud exploiting a company for their money and their advertisement - that definitely can put people in jail and get enormous amount of fees.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Thruth
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland112 Posts
October 05 2012 15:54 GMT
#66
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 05 2012 15:55 GMT
#67
Rooting for 45. Alien Invasion.
I wish there was a player named after a team.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
October 05 2012 15:56 GMT
#68
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33305 Posts
October 05 2012 15:56 GMT
#69
I wonder what team the ex-oGs guys and Sleep joined that hasn't been announced yet
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
October 05 2012 15:57 GMT
#70
Inca totally has this.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
October 05 2012 15:59 GMT
#71
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 05 2012 15:59 GMT
#72
On October 06 2012 00:56 Waxangel wrote:
I wonder what team the ex-oGs guys and Sleep joined that hasn't been announced yet


Well, Nazgul is being a dick and hinting at Liquid for InCa (every time he roots for a player the rumours spread).

I'd guess Axiom. What about you Wax?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 05 2012 15:59 GMT
#73
I am actually quite angry at how people don't realise the seriousness of what he did and people react like "Shit happens but it's an Open Tournament" people dream to be a Pro-gamer and he took it for granted and exploited it, took everyone in the community for a mug and people are too deluded to realise it.
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
October 05 2012 16:01 GMT
#74
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
October 05 2012 16:02 GMT
#75
What amazes me is the white knights fighting for DeathAngel.

Dude doesn't deserve shit. Fraud is Fraud, neither DeathAngel or Veralynn should be allowed in this community imo.
Especially since Veralynn completely straight up went awol, and neither DeathAngel or his team have made a statement.

If your not even gonna own up to your actions, why do you deserve a second chance?
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 16:04:13
October 05 2012 16:03 GMT
#76
If a male pro smurfed for another male pro in a "regular" tournament, you guys would be going fucking insane
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 16:07:29
October 05 2012 16:03 GMT
#77
I agree with Bumblebee its very serious and should be treated as such.

Edit: Waxangel to be frank with every offense there is a number of people saying "its not serious", "it doesnt really matter| "its nothing", remember Dimaga in TSL remember Savior? Some people just do not see the bigger picture.
Pathetic Greta hater.
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
October 05 2012 16:05 GMT
#78
On October 06 2012 01:03 Waxangel wrote:
If a male pro smurfed for another male pro in a "regular" tournament, you guys would be going fucking insane



meh, what we have here is a case of the 'loud minority'.
i think very few people actually want DeathAngel in this scene anymore
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Perchloric
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 16:06:56
October 05 2012 16:06 GMT
#79
On October 06 2012 00:47 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:37 Noam wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

DreamHack has no legal rights to stop someone from participating in their tournament? I would love to hear how much you scored in your exams for your degree in Romanian law.


Well tell me on what grounds can they deny a player when they have a tournament open for everyone? They cant.
Btw Romania is part of the Eu, so i dont need to know crap about Romanian law.


Do you actualy believe that they accepted every single player interested in this tournament and in the end got an exactly 64 man bracket? lol DH must be the luckiest tournament in the world.
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
October 05 2012 16:06 GMT
#80
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 05 2012 16:08 GMT
#81
On October 06 2012 01:05 ohampatu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:03 Waxangel wrote:
If a male pro smurfed for another male pro in a "regular" tournament, you guys would be going fucking insane



meh, what we have here is a case of the 'loud minority'.
i think very few people actually want DeathAngel in this scene anymore


I have to agree with this.

I was a fan after his almost qualification to code A twice. But when the next real thing I saw from him was this blatant fraud I just 100% stopped liking him; I can't imagine how anyone can think it isn't an issue.

I thought AL and DeathAngel weren't affiliated anymore, am I wrong?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 05 2012 16:09 GMT
#82
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.


It's fraud, it's pretty simple to understand when money is involved.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
October 05 2012 16:10 GMT
#83
holy shizzle... TOP! been such a long time since he participated in a non korean event :O
kanada
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada255 Posts
October 05 2012 16:11 GMT
#84
On October 06 2012 01:08 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:05 ohampatu wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:03 Waxangel wrote:
If a male pro smurfed for another male pro in a "regular" tournament, you guys would be going fucking insane



meh, what we have here is a case of the 'loud minority'.
i think very few people actually want DeathAngel in this scene anymore


I have to agree with this.

I was a fan after his almost qualification to code A twice. But when the next real thing I saw from him was this blatant fraud I just 100% stopped liking him; I can't imagine how anyone can think it isn't an issue.

I thought AL and DeathAngel weren't affiliated anymore, am I wrong?



I didn't know anything about him before the controversy. After seeing his attitude after being caught and his posts on the thread I realized I didn't want to know anything about him. Will be interesting to see the coverage at the event and if he gets mentioned by the casters or heckled by people there.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
October 05 2012 16:11 GMT
#85
Why exactly do we need massive shipping costs for 64 players, with about 15 having good chances of winning? Is this growing E-Sports or is it limiting E-Sports?
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
October 05 2012 16:11 GMT
#86
On October 06 2012 01:03 Waxangel wrote:
If a male pro smurfed for another male pro in a "regular" tournament, you guys would be going fucking insane

MC was smurfing for Reis in some EU tournaments ^^
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
October 05 2012 16:11 GMT
#87
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.

He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted.

Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this.
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
Ridlah
Profile Joined October 2012
5 Posts
October 05 2012 16:12 GMT
#88
OMG INCAAAAAAAAAAAA I hope he can go high in the barcket :D
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33305 Posts
October 05 2012 16:15 GMT
#89
On October 06 2012 01:11 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:03 Waxangel wrote:
If a male pro smurfed for another male pro in a "regular" tournament, you guys would be going fucking insane

MC was smurfing for Reis in some EU tournaments ^^


thanks for your terrible joke
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
mjuuy
Profile Joined May 2012
Norway506 Posts
October 05 2012 16:15 GMT
#90
TLoGs proleague next season??
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬. 우정호 1988 - 2012
RainSunShowers
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway152 Posts
October 05 2012 16:19 GMT
#91
On October 05 2012 23:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
GO INCA

Liquid'Nazgul cheers for former partner teammate, but not the liquid guys, or.. OR Liquid also picked up Inca
Founder of CTL http://choboteamleague.enjin.com/home
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
October 05 2012 16:21 GMT
#92
On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.

He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted.

Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this.


Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic.

DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe.

What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
October 05 2012 16:23 GMT
#93
VeraLynn and DeathAngel are the Milli Vanilli of SC2.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
October 05 2012 16:27 GMT
#94
On October 06 2012 01:11 TigerKarl wrote:
Why exactly do we need massive shipping costs for 64 players, with about 15 having good chances of winning? Is this growing E-Sports or is it limiting E-Sports?

This tournament (just like the three earlier main DH events this year) is an open tournament. Anyone could sign-up to play.
EZ4ENCE
Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
October 05 2012 16:27 GMT
#95
Wow good player list!

Gogo TheStC . . . about time you took #1!

=)
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 05 2012 16:29 GMT
#96
On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.

He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted.

Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this.


Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic.

DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe.

What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever.


How can you classify as participating in a Female-only tournament as a Male not cheating? What planet do you live on??
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
October 05 2012 16:30 GMT
#97
24. JookTo - Zerg
25. TOP - Terran
26. VINES - Protoss
27. InCa - Protoss

very surprising to see them on this list, however i'm excited about it ^^

oGs was my favorite sc2 team so I gotta root for these guys ^^
TL+ Member
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 05 2012 16:33 GMT
#98
On October 05 2012 23:16 X3GoldDot wrote:
btw, no top koreans except for stc, dont see this being a very good tournament


oh dear, such a terrible perspective to take
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
October 05 2012 16:33 GMT
#99

How can you classify as participating in a Female-only tournament as a Male not cheating? What planet do you live on??[/QUOTE]

didnt know about that sry, well in that case he must return money, im not sure if he did. overall what i am trying to say is he deserves 1 more chance and only 1 more chance.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
October 05 2012 16:33 GMT
#100
On October 06 2012 01:15 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:11 Frankon wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:03 Waxangel wrote:
If a male pro smurfed for another male pro in a "regular" tournament, you guys would be going fucking insane

MC was smurfing for Reis in some EU tournaments ^^


thanks for your terrible joke

He registered under Reis real name in some weekly cup...
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
October 05 2012 16:36 GMT
#101
On October 06 2012 01:33 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:15 Waxangel wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:11 Frankon wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:03 Waxangel wrote:
If a male pro smurfed for another male pro in a "regular" tournament, you guys would be going fucking insane

MC was smurfing for Reis in some EU tournaments ^^


thanks for your terrible joke

He registered under Reis real name in some weekly cup...


Kratoss must pay!
Christ the Redeemer
Profile Joined May 2012
Brazil161 Posts
October 05 2012 16:37 GMT
#102
Stepano!
Caliber
Profile Joined August 2010
United States598 Posts
October 05 2012 16:39 GMT
#103
Go RaNgeD~~!
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 16:46:01
October 05 2012 16:41 GMT
#104
On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.

He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted.

Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this.


Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic.

DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe.

What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever.

Ok so,

I'm managing Team Liquid and is very closely tied with players - inside and outside of the game. I have a lot of insights on different topics around the game and could give an advise two to people coming up. But I'm just a mid to high masters player and I can't provide the professional insight into the game as a player can and without being extremely good at StarCraft, I would not be a relevant coach or accepted by the communities. So what I do is I get TaeJa to stream as me and play some tournaments as me to make some results and get me known as a very good player too. I start doing coaching and earn bucks from that, same goes for streaming.

Do you think if t his happened that I would be able to keep my job? Do you think people would not care if it happened? I really they would
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
October 05 2012 16:43 GMT
#105
How in the world are TOP, jookto, Inca, and Vines going to show up? Do they have some kind of unannounced team?? Team Liquid maybe????
Long live the Boss Toss!
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
October 05 2012 16:50 GMT
#106
Stephano is gonig to win, so many players not even at top teir skill level in here
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
October 05 2012 16:50 GMT
#107
On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:
What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever.

He committed fraud by impersonating another person for money, and stole money from other players when he participated in a girls-only tournament.
But he was smart, he did this in small-time tournaments where the organizers have no real power or authority so aside from his user being banned from some website called teamliquid.net he received 0 punishment.

The big dogs who spent a whole day talking about eSports in Valencia all ignored his actions. One of the issues that was brought up in the eSports congress was the need for a global rulebook where penalties would be uniformed.
His team Absolute Legends ignored his actions (I went and asked if he was still on their team and they said nothing changed and they have no comment).

Who did VeraLyn and DeathAngel rip off and deceive when they committed fraud? Us, the community.
We should be the ones administering the punishment if the people who run the tournaments are too weak-hearted or incompetent to do it.
Liquipedia
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
October 05 2012 16:51 GMT
#108
On October 06 2012 01:43 mrRoflpwn wrote:
How in the world are TOP, jookto, Inca, and Vines going to show up? Do they have some kind of unannounced team?? Team Liquid maybe????


That would be badass if liquid picked up all 4 of these guys! Talk about adding depth to the roster ^^
TL+ Member
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 05 2012 16:55 GMT
#109
Bumblebee, since you have a lot more knowledge about SC-buisness than 99% of the community, I would be interested in your opinions about the amout of punishment DA should get. I would certainly agree, that he should get a punishment, but I don´t think Dreamhack should be involved in this, because the we´re not involved incident, when it happened and they are an offline tourney, which eliminates the risk of him doing similar stuff in their tournament. So if you ask Dreamhack to ban him, you basically ask every SC-organisation out there, which would end his career. I think a punishment should stay between Deathangel and the parties, he cheated on.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
October 05 2012 16:57 GMT
#110
God, this is like kinder garden sometimes here. You cheated with hide and seek, you can play no more. The cheat-police banned you from everything and screw the laws. Did Deathangel committed a crime? Maybe, i dont know and i dont care, im not involved but did anyone do something with it? Probably not when you know this community, even if they did it's not a reason to exclude you from a unrelated open event or does DH has rules on paper when your convicted for something that you cant enter? Well no DH's for me then i guess, not that i ever wanted to visit a event anyway.

But im not even going to try anymore on this topic and i dont know what i was thinking in the first place to even try. A normal discussions with people here on other topics as SC2 is almost impossible anyway.
Rescawen
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland1028 Posts
October 05 2012 17:00 GMT
#111
On October 06 2012 01:41 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.

He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted.

Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this.


Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic.

DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe.

What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever.

Ok so,

I'm managing Team Liquid and is very closely tied with players - inside and outside of the game. I have a lot of insights on different topics around the game and could give an advise two to people coming up. But I'm just a mid to high masters player and I can't provide the professional insight into the game as a player can and without being extremely good at StarCraft, I would not be a relevant coach or accepted by the communities. So what I do is I get TaeJa to stream as me and play some tournaments as me to make some results and get me known as a very good player too. I start doing coaching and earn bucks from that, same goes for streaming.

Do you think if t his happened that I would be able to keep my job? Do you think people would not care if it happened? I really they would


As I pointed out your point is valid and are you implying DA should get fired from his job or banned from sc2 for life?

off-topic: Are you also saying that your higher on ladder than apollo as random? Mid high masters is like 800p in the current ladder. Also I sat next to taeja in DH i could easily bust you cauz i know his english isnt very gosu :D
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
October 05 2012 17:08 GMT
#112
A bunch of Code B Koreans and 60 Europeans, 50 of whom I've never heard in my life is a sick line up?
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
October 05 2012 17:09 GMT
#113
Good luck Ancestor!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 05 2012 17:12 GMT
#114
I thought Scarlett was supposed to be going to this?
Refer to my post.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
October 05 2012 17:13 GMT
#115
On October 06 2012 02:08 sitromit wrote:
A bunch of Code B Koreans and 60 Europeans, 50 of whom I've never heard in my life is a sick line up?


No, but it is a chance for some up and comers.

Dreamhack was never too prestigious anyway, the only big guns were the liquid koreans most of the time anyway.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
October 05 2012 17:13 GMT
#116
On October 06 2012 01:41 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.

He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted.

Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this.


Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic.

DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe.

What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever.

Ok so,

I'm managing Team Liquid and is very closely tied with players - inside and outside of the game. I have a lot of insights on different topics around the game and could give an advise two to people coming up. But I'm just a mid to high masters player and I can't provide the professional insight into the game as a player can and without being extremely good at StarCraft, I would not be a relevant coach or accepted by the communities. So what I do is I get TaeJa to stream as me and play some tournaments as me to make some results and get me known as a very good player too. I start doing coaching and earn bucks from that, same goes for streaming.

Do you think if t his happened that I would be able to keep my job? Do you think people would not care if it happened? I really they would


And 5 showmatches =D
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 05 2012 17:13 GMT
#117
On October 06 2012 02:12 Zenbrez wrote:
I thought Scarlett was supposed to be going to this?


She was supposed to play DH Valencia, but cancelled one or two weeks before the event.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
October 05 2012 17:15 GMT
#118
underwhelming list of players, more easy money for stephano
Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
October 05 2012 17:15 GMT
#119
We haven't seen TLO at any big tournaments in a while :O

Gogogo!
trekala
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania25 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 17:23:35
October 05 2012 17:20 GMT
#120
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.

on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
October 05 2012 17:26 GMT
#121
On October 06 2012 02:15 Antylamon wrote:
We haven't seen TLO at any big tournaments in a while :O

Gogogo!


last dreamhack? :D
anyway, GOGO TLO! <3 <3 <3
Rif_king
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada66 Posts
October 05 2012 17:27 GMT
#122
On October 06 2012 02:13 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:41 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.

He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted.

Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this.


Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic.

DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe.

What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever.

Ok so,

I'm managing Team Liquid and is very closely tied with players - inside and outside of the game. I have a lot of insights on different topics around the game and could give an advise two to people coming up. But I'm just a mid to high masters player and I can't provide the professional insight into the game as a player can and without being extremely good at StarCraft, I would not be a relevant coach or accepted by the communities. So what I do is I get TaeJa to stream as me and play some tournaments as me to make some results and get me known as a very good player too. I start doing coaching and earn bucks from that, same goes for streaming.

Do you think if t his happened that I would be able to keep my job? Do you think people would not care if it happened? I really they would


And 5 showmatches =D


4 Showmatches and 1 Sjowmatch
Cronicus
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden28 Posts
October 05 2012 17:29 GMT
#123
Go TLO! Show them some special strategies
TaeJa, HerO, Naniwa, Stephano
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
October 05 2012 17:31 GMT
#124
Gooo inCa, Top & Jookto! and ofcourse Retje & TLO!
- me (L) competitive gaming -
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
October 05 2012 17:32 GMT
#125
lol, all I see from this list is a ZvP finals.
ok
Xodushai
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden174 Posts
October 05 2012 17:33 GMT
#126
Yeah go StarNaN!
CuteZergling
Profile Joined November 2011
641 Posts
October 05 2012 17:33 GMT
#127
This thread has been strange to read. It's weird to me that people would defend fraud.
Team owner of team QTLing
Ibra
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden24 Posts
October 05 2012 17:34 GMT
#128
Im missing players from mYm...
i like turtles
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
October 05 2012 17:34 GMT
#129
Where is forGG ;_;
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Mario1209
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1077 Posts
October 05 2012 17:34 GMT
#130
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.

thinking the same thing. would be cool to see a group of oGs players together on a team. maybe mTw reuniting them with supernova? xD
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 05 2012 17:34 GMT
#131
On October 06 2012 02:20 trekala wrote:
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.

on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2.


Nothing to do with Dreamhack? Except for everything involving the fact that a player who committed fraud was invited to the tournament.

If you're going to defend your countryman at least have reasoning that stands on its own...
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 05 2012 17:35 GMT
#132
Looking forward to this. Last time a tournament included mostly foreigners it turned out incredibly good. Hoping for the same here.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 05 2012 17:39 GMT
#133
On October 06 2012 02:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 02:20 trekala wrote:
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.

on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2.


Nothing to do with Dreamhack? Except for everything involving the fact that a player who committed fraud was invited to the tournament.

If you're going to defend your countryman at least have reasoning that stands on its own...


He was not invited, it is an open tournament with first 64 guys, who sign up, being able to play. Dreamhack does´nt invite players.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 05 2012 17:39 GMT
#134
OMG gogo oGs players!!! I wonder who picked them up...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
October 05 2012 17:39 GMT
#135
stephano v stc final. you heard it here first
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
October 05 2012 17:39 GMT
#136
On October 05 2012 23:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl6LqB5UAFE



hearing Kellin Quinn on GSL makes me so happy

also LETS GO ex oGs!!
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
jnd
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Czech Republic915 Posts
October 05 2012 17:42 GMT
#137
On October 06 2012 02:00 Rescawen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 01:41 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:21 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:11 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:06 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 01:01 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:59 Rescawen wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:48 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:24 TheSir wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?


Invite? really?

It's a open and DeathAngel can enter if he wants to, DH has no legal rights to deny DeathAngel from entering.

Yes they can. DeathAngel has no special rights to enter. You can deny anyone access if you please.

On top of that DeathAngel has been involved in cheating/fraud, wahtever you wanna call it. Of course they have reason to deny him access.


calling it cheating is really serious and over the line. He is just trying to make some money to live for the passion of the game. It is so difficult for him to get noticed. I think there is big difference for what he did and what spades did for example. I do respect DH for not banning him and giving him another chance.

Cheating and smurfing is fundamentally different. So many people level accs and so many ppl troll lower leagues, should they be punished too?

Just because stephano and taeja seem to earning money doesnt mean anyone else is getting a cent.

It's not over the line. It's something people get very very big fines for if it reaches a certain level and can get jailed for as well. It's very simple, it's fraud.


Well if you argue this way then our community is sexist for letting these women get extra attention due to the attention they get. I personally am of the opinion that is it just fine, but I have a friend/s who think it is absolutely unfair as well. Foreigners getting seeds in GSL is racist then? Correct if I am wrong.

I think what he did is obviously wrong, but the point I am trying to make is what damage did he do? Compared to maphackers that simply taking money that they have not worked for. Did DA hurt anyone personally, sure I met talked and played him on bn and he probably isnt the friendliest guy, but he had a solid reason which is money.

In my opinion something like this can only be allowed once, he does not deserve to eternally banned like for example spades.

He is also simply taking money from other people? He takes viewers away from other people by having her acknowledged for something she isn't. He is also taking away customers from real coaches who actually knows the game rather than her who cheated her way to being accepted.

Also your other arguments is a completely different story and has no relation to what we're arguing here. I can understand why people don'tlike direct seeds into GSL and stuff, but it has nothing to do with this.


Your points are valid. I tried to bring up unfairness that clearly exists in our ecosystem at the moment, I can understand that as a competitor or upncoming/trying to go pro players are really upset due to someone getting more attention due to their sex and I think arguing whether these unfairnesses are justified is a really tricky topic.

DA plays the smallest role in this dispute since he is only playing, the majority of the problem roots from veralynn and the way this community views female gamers. Nobody would care if DA smurfed as another guy. I believe he should not be punished but not banned from these events. I really dislike the fact that people say he should kicked out completely from the community as something like that would be too severe.

What do you think would be fair for his punishment and how do you justified it relatively to cheating. Assuming cheating would be something that deserves to get banned from the community forever.

Ok so,

I'm managing Team Liquid and is very closely tied with players - inside and outside of the game. I have a lot of insights on different topics around the game and could give an advise two to people coming up. But I'm just a mid to high masters player and I can't provide the professional insight into the game as a player can and without being extremely good at StarCraft, I would not be a relevant coach or accepted by the communities. So what I do is I get TaeJa to stream as me and play some tournaments as me to make some results and get me known as a very good player too. I start doing coaching and earn bucks from that, same goes for streaming.

Do you think if t his happened that I would be able to keep my job? Do you think people would not care if it happened? I really they would


As I pointed out your point is valid and are you implying DA should get fired from his job or banned from sc2 for life?

off-topic: Are you also saying that your higher on ladder than apollo as random? Mid high masters is like 800p in the current ladder. Also I sat next to taeja in DH i could easily bust you cauz i know his english isnt very gosu :D

He should be banned from SC2 indefinitely as Savior was. Such incidents only go aginst growing our loved esport. What should sponsors think when they couldn't be even sure if this online tourney or that online qualifier was played by the player who signed up?

It's definitely not OK to cheat and commit fraud and he should be banned from events like these if for nothing else than serving as example that this behavior won't be tolerated and so people will think twice before trying that again (just like crimes in RL).
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Manimal_pro
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania991 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 17:47:07
October 05 2012 17:43 GMT
#138
^Jnd are you actually comparing the match fixing that savior did in an official tournament with fake nicking in showmatches?



On October 06 2012 02:33 CuteZergling wrote:
This thread has been strange to read. It's weird to me that people would defend fraud.


no one has the authority to actually do something to DeathAngel for his shenanigans, he will be in all EU tournaments in the future as well. I suppose kennygyt gave him a permaban on the forum but that's pretty much it
If you like brood war, please go play brood war and stop whining about SC2
MChrome
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands201 Posts
October 05 2012 17:43 GMT
#139
Go Ancestor!

Go FeverClan!
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
October 05 2012 17:43 GMT
#140
On October 06 2012 02:34 Kergy wrote:
Where is forGG ;_;

Already qualified for DH Winter (as well as Ret and Stephano though).
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Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
October 05 2012 17:45 GMT
#141
On October 05 2012 23:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl6LqB5UAFE


OMG, that is so awesome, became an instant fan of TOP because of this! :D
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
October 05 2012 17:49 GMT
#142
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
October 05 2012 17:51 GMT
#143
So now bm'ing on ladder is worse than illegally scamming people for money...that's new.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
October 05 2012 17:51 GMT
#144
Great list of players! So many people I want to root for!
Gogo Sleep, NightEnd, TOP, TLO!
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
October 05 2012 17:52 GMT
#145
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
October 05 2012 17:53 GMT
#146
Wait what? No Grubby, Kas, Happy or any of the RoxKis guys? Kind of a disappointing list; ah well, the event will probably be awesome anyway.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
October 05 2012 17:56 GMT
#147
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
October 05 2012 17:57 GMT
#148
On October 06 2012 02:43 Manimal_pro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 02:33 CuteZergling wrote:
This thread has been strange to read. It's weird to me that people would defend fraud.


no one has the authority to actually do something to DeathAngel for his shenanigans, he will be in all EU tournaments in the future as well. I suppose kennygyt gave him a permaban on the forum but that's pretty much it


You'd atleast think Tournament organisers would have the dignity to suspend them, if this were a Korean player I'm pretty sure ESF or Kespa would disown them.

I can't believe there's people within this game who defend players who go against the law and commit a criminal act, I'm gonna sound pretty blunt but they're as scum as the ones who commit the offence and that they're allowed to freely mouth off their stupid biased opinions actually hurts the scene
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 05 2012 17:58 GMT
#149
On October 06 2012 02:39 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 02:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:20 trekala wrote:
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.

on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2.


Nothing to do with Dreamhack? Except for everything involving the fact that a player who committed fraud was invited to the tournament.

If you're going to defend your countryman at least have reasoning that stands on its own...


He was not invited, it is an open tournament with first 64 guys, who sign up, being able to play. Dreamhack does´nt invite players.


He's still in the tournament, invited or not.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 05 2012 17:59 GMT
#150
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


I doubt coaches don't pay taxes. That is actually retarded, these teams have a lot of money (thinking of EG right now since we're talking IdrA) and if they are paying their employees (the players) under the table and it gets found out they get fucked by the government. I doubt that the team managers are dumb enough to leave themselves open by allowing their players to earn an untaxed income.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 05 2012 18:00 GMT
#151
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.


troll alert or you're just oblivious.

google fraud.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
October 05 2012 18:02 GMT
#152
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.


On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


This thread is taking a turn for the worst. It is pretty unfortunate that you two don't know any of the details about the subject when your countryman committed fraud.

And let's try to keep other player's name out of this, especially listing players who never cheated together with players who admitted to frauding and or hacking.
Liquipedia
Thug[ro]
Profile Joined October 2005
Romania340 Posts
October 05 2012 18:03 GMT
#153
ok stop with the ping-pong drama and get over it..will attend no matter what!
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2066 Posts
October 05 2012 18:04 GMT
#154
InCa VINES jookTo and TOP joined apeX
loshmey
Profile Joined September 2012
1 Post
October 05 2012 18:04 GMT
#155
Go Beasty!
Reinstalling the warp core is futile.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 18:05:20
October 05 2012 18:04 GMT
#156
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.
kuan888
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada305 Posts
October 05 2012 18:05 GMT
#157
On October 06 2012 00:56 Waxangel wrote:
I wonder what team the ex-oGs guys and Sleep joined that hasn't been announced yet


Team MarN !!
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Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
October 05 2012 18:06 GMT
#158
Everyone deserves a second chance, however this is based on if the culprit shows a sincere apology which was not the case considering no statement was produced. End of story.
Bow down to the sons of Aiur...SKT1_Rain, CreatorPrime, ST_Parting, Liquid_Hero.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 05 2012 18:07 GMT
#159
On October 06 2012 02:58 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 02:39 Xoronius wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:20 trekala wrote:
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.

on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2.


Nothing to do with Dreamhack? Except for everything involving the fact that a player who committed fraud was invited to the tournament.

If you're going to defend your countryman at least have reasoning that stands on its own...


He was not invited, it is an open tournament with first 64 guys, who sign up, being able to play. Dreamhack does´nt invite players.


He's still in the tournament, invited or not.


Because he signed up. There is a big difference in inviting someone and him being tolerated. The former would seem wrong so short after, the ladder does´nt, considering the incident has nothing to do with Dreamhack.
napo
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania622 Posts
October 05 2012 18:07 GMT
#160
O-M-G! Nerdchills all over my body <3 definitely won't miss out on this. :D
Though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 05 2012 18:11 GMT
#161
On October 06 2012 03:07 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 02:58 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:39 Xoronius wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:20 trekala wrote:
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.

on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2.


Nothing to do with Dreamhack? Except for everything involving the fact that a player who committed fraud was invited to the tournament.

If you're going to defend your countryman at least have reasoning that stands on its own...


He was not invited, it is an open tournament with first 64 guys, who sign up, being able to play. Dreamhack does´nt invite players.


He's still in the tournament, invited or not.


Because he signed up. There is a big difference in inviting someone and him being tolerated. The former would seem wrong so short after, the ladder does´nt, considering the incident has nothing to do with Dreamhack.


The thing is, Dreamhack should do something about it, or at least release a statement acknowledging that they're letting him in the tournament. By saying nothing and letting him play it's as if they're just ignoring the fact that he committed serious acts of fraud. I'd have a lot more respect for DH if they at least said "yeah we know he's a scumbag, but we're still going to let him play."

He shouldn't be allowed to play, but that's just my opinion.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Hren
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovenia86 Posts
October 05 2012 18:11 GMT
#162
I wouldn`t mind one or two more of the top Koreans, but otherwise this looks like a fun event.
Ronski
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland266 Posts
October 05 2012 18:12 GMT
#163
Deathangel!
-You go girl!

Seriously excited about this tournament, great player list.
I am a tank. I am covered head to toe in solid plate mail. I carry a block of metal the size of a 4 door sedan to hide behind. If you see me running - you should too.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
October 05 2012 18:13 GMT
#164
On October 05 2012 23:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
GO INCA


TRAITOR! LYNCH THE F*****!

GL to all, should be an awesome tourney.
Useless wet fish.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
October 05 2012 18:14 GMT
#165
so STC or Stephano?
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
October 05 2012 18:17 GMT
#166
Sleep vs Sleeep please!
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
October 05 2012 18:21 GMT
#167
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.

Nice call
HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
October 05 2012 18:27 GMT
#168
DeathAngel should not be allowed to participate in this tournament seriously... DreamHack should definitely NOT be forgiving about this. Not so soon at the least...
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 05 2012 18:27 GMT
#169
On October 06 2012 03:11 renaissanceMAN wrote:
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On October 06 2012 03:07 Xoronius wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:58 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:39 Xoronius wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:34 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:20 trekala wrote:
I wish ppl would talk about deathangel-veralynn in the dedicated thread....
I for one am very exited about this event and will definitely attend. All this talk about the fraud incident is bringing a negative vibe to the tournament when it actualy has nothing to do with Dreamhack.

on topic, I was hoping Sea would attend. Could have been a good tournament for him to start in sc2.


Nothing to do with Dreamhack? Except for everything involving the fact that a player who committed fraud was invited to the tournament.

If you're going to defend your countryman at least have reasoning that stands on its own...


He was not invited, it is an open tournament with first 64 guys, who sign up, being able to play. Dreamhack does´nt invite players.


He's still in the tournament, invited or not.


Because he signed up. There is a big difference in inviting someone and him being tolerated. The former would seem wrong so short after, the ladder does´nt, considering the incident has nothing to do with Dreamhack.


The thing is, Dreamhack should do something about it, or at least release a statement acknowledging that they're letting him in the tournament. By saying nothing and letting him play it's as if they're just ignoring the fact that he committed serious acts of fraud. I'd have a lot more respect for DH if they at least said "yeah we know he's a scumbag, but we're still going to let him play."

He shouldn't be allowed to play, but that's just my opinion.


I think that just increases the unneccessary drama. When Dreamhack accepted his signing, they accepted him as a player, not as a negative community figure, that draws attention. The whole thing should get solved (with punishment) between DA and the organisations, which hosted the matches, in which he betrayed, there is already enough drama in the community.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
October 05 2012 18:35 GMT
#170
The dark knight rises! INCA FIGHTING!!!!!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
October 05 2012 18:37 GMT
#171
Just an idea for the OP:

Liquidpedia links make lists like this much more readable.

Other than that, thanks for the list! Gonna be a sick tournament!!
Got that.
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
October 05 2012 18:40 GMT
#172
"Barcraft Bucharest bAppsMacheji" i have some one to root for lol.
Mid Master Terran @ kr server fighting !!!
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
October 05 2012 18:45 GMT
#173
On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:
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On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.


I'm sorry what?
Stop talking about what you don't know?
I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for.
Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised.

And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious?

Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using.
The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
JSRazor
Profile Joined December 2011
United States17 Posts
October 05 2012 18:52 GMT
#174
Remember everyone, Jookto, inca, top, vines are on Apex now :D
SC2 Diamond Player, Twitch.tv/JSRazor
Mr_Z
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa88 Posts
October 05 2012 19:00 GMT
#175
Nerchio, Stephano or MaNa to win this one IMO
Always last :(
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
October 05 2012 19:05 GMT
#176
On October 06 2012 02:43 Manimal_pro wrote:
^Jnd are you actually comparing the match fixing that savior did in an official tournament with fake nicking in showmatches?



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On October 06 2012 02:33 CuteZergling wrote:
This thread has been strange to read. It's weird to me that people would defend fraud.


no one has the authority to actually do something to DeathAngel for his shenanigans, he will be in all EU tournaments in the future as well. I suppose kennygyt gave him a permaban on the forum but that's pretty much it


No one has the authority? lolwut? Unless you can find a country whose constitution states "Every citizen has an inalienable right to compete in video game tournaments," and you find a country where the Federal Constitution applies to privately owned businesses (i.e. in America, Freedom of Speech doesn't apply to privately owned companies. They can fire you for speaking about the latest episode of South Park if they want), everyone has authority.

Fraud was committed. One dumb girl had a dumb pro player impersonate her in showmatches against legit players and all-girl tourneys and other stuff, then passed those achievements off as her own to get bookings as a coach that she had no right doing. Every tournament can and should ban these two from competing. If serious organizations can ban players, and we want ESPORTS to be more professional, then it only follows that ESPORTS tournaments can ban players.

Other than that, really interested about the oGs guys! I've missed them.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 19:15:25
October 05 2012 19:10 GMT
#177
On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:
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On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.


I'm sorry what?
Stop talking about what you don't know?
I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for.
Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised.

And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious?

Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using.
The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please.


Fraud:

i) a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain

Identity Fraud:

i) Identity fraud is unlawful identity change of another person as a principal tool of merchandise procurement.
ii) Identity fraud can occur without identity theft, as in the case where the fraudster has been given someone's identity information when the person whose identity is being used is colluding with the person committing the fraud.

How can you even dispute that is amazing

The fact you said he won his matches fair and square although he participated in a Female-only tournament shows how little you know about the whole thing or is just completely deluded
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
October 05 2012 19:55 GMT
#178
On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.


I'm sorry what?
Stop talking about what you don't know?
I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for.
Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised.

And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious?

Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using.
The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please.


Hm. So apparently it's fair and square if I have Steve Jobs participate in a high school business tournament for me, as long as he did it himself without cheating? I think you're getting something wrong there.

I don't know too much about how tournament organizers think or how EU law works or anything, but it's gonna be hard to root for him, especially after that terrible, terrible reasoning he posted on the thread.

Kind of why I think we need a international governing body, like how it works with track and field, swimming, etc.
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 20:01:24
October 05 2012 20:00 GMT
#179
nvm im blind ;D
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
October 05 2012 20:00 GMT
#180
On October 06 2012 04:55 glzElectromaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.


I'm sorry what?
Stop talking about what you don't know?
I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for.
Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised.

And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious?

Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using.
The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please.


Hm. So apparently it's fair and square if I have Steve Jobs participate in a high school business tournament for me, as long as he did it himself without cheating? I think you're getting something wrong there.

I don't know too much about how tournament organizers think or how EU law works or anything, but it's gonna be hard to root for him, especially after that terrible, terrible reasoning he posted on the thread.

Kind of why I think we need a international governing body, like how it works with track and field, swimming, etc.


This is a surprisingly good analogy. If you can get mr. Jobs to do that for you than you totally should though.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 20:05:14
October 05 2012 20:04 GMT
#181
Player list even worse than usual for Dreamhacks, that's too bad. Should be a great tournament anyway as Dreamhack always puts on a great show. Expecting Stephano to go to ze bank on this one, Nerchio also a heavy favorite.

Should have sent Liquid'Sea!
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 05 2012 20:10 GMT
#182
On October 06 2012 05:00 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 04:55 glzElectromaster wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
[quote]
Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.


I'm sorry what?
Stop talking about what you don't know?
I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for.
Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised.

And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious?

Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using.
The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please.


Hm. So apparently it's fair and square if I have Steve Jobs participate in a high school business tournament for me, as long as he did it himself without cheating? I think you're getting something wrong there.

I don't know too much about how tournament organizers think or how EU law works or anything, but it's gonna be hard to root for him, especially after that terrible, terrible reasoning he posted on the thread.

Kind of why I think we need a international governing body, like how it works with track and field, swimming, etc.


This is a surprisingly good analogy. If you can get mr. Jobs to do that for you than you totally should though.


It'd be an impressive feat, especially cause he's currently dead.
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Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
October 05 2012 20:58 GMT
#183
On October 06 2012 05:04 Dodgin wrote:
Player list even worse than usual for Dreamhacks, that's too bad. Should be a great tournament anyway as Dreamhack always puts on a great show. Expecting Stephano to go to ze bank on this one, Nerchio also a heavy favorite.

Should have sent Liquid'Sea!


You fool, it's all about the ex-oGs guys this tournament!
Seriously though, I imagine those can put up quite a fight, and I'd LOVE it if TOP brought out his nun-chuck skills to Bucharest! :D
Pietro
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland103 Posts
October 05 2012 21:04 GMT
#184
On October 05 2012 23:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:

01. Pulse desRow - Protoss


Probably the only time desrow is first.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
October 05 2012 21:06 GMT
#185
On October 06 2012 06:04 Pietro wrote:
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On October 05 2012 23:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:

01. Pulse desRow - Protoss


Probably the only time desrow is first.

Nope.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2221_desRow
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 05 2012 21:06 GMT
#186
On October 06 2012 05:58 Zvenn3n wrote:
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On October 06 2012 05:04 Dodgin wrote:
Player list even worse than usual for Dreamhacks, that's too bad. Should be a great tournament anyway as Dreamhack always puts on a great show. Expecting Stephano to go to ze bank on this one, Nerchio also a heavy favorite.

Should have sent Liquid'Sea!


You fool, it's all about the ex-oGs guys this tournament!
Seriously though, I imagine those can put up quite a fight, and I'd LOVE it if TOP brought out his nun-chuck skills to Bucharest! :D


Admittedly I have no idea what the current form of TOP, Inca and Jookto is, but I imagine they are not Code S level competitors. It will be interesting to see how they do.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 05 2012 21:14 GMT
#187
On October 06 2012 06:06 Dodgin wrote:
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On October 06 2012 05:58 Zvenn3n wrote:
On October 06 2012 05:04 Dodgin wrote:
Player list even worse than usual for Dreamhacks, that's too bad. Should be a great tournament anyway as Dreamhack always puts on a great show. Expecting Stephano to go to ze bank on this one, Nerchio also a heavy favorite.

Should have sent Liquid'Sea!


You fool, it's all about the ex-oGs guys this tournament!
Seriously though, I imagine those can put up quite a fight, and I'd LOVE it if TOP brought out his nun-chuck skills to Bucharest! :D


Admittedly I have no idea what the current form of TOP, Inca and Jookto is, but I imagine they are not Code S level competitors. It will be interesting to see how they do.


they're still koreans

I'm sure at least one of them will get to the prize stage with ease
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Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
October 05 2012 21:18 GMT
#188
Gogo Naniwa!
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
October 05 2012 21:26 GMT
#189
I'm glad sleep is going.. he had some entertaining zvp.
xHadoken
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States171 Posts
October 05 2012 23:33 GMT
#190
Go Ranged!
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CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
October 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#191
On October 06 2012 04:55 glzElectromaster wrote:
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On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:50 Putty wrote:
Even if they can ban him, why do that ? He don't have maphacked or cheated in any way. He just did a little, funny scam.

Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.


I'm sorry what?
Stop talking about what you don't know?
I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for.
Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised.

And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious?

Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using.
The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please.


Hm. So apparently it's fair and square if I have Steve Jobs participate in a high school business tournament for me, as long as he did it himself without cheating? I think you're getting something wrong there.

I don't know too much about how tournament organizers think or how EU law works or anything, but it's gonna be hard to root for him, especially after that terrible, terrible reasoning he posted on the thread.

Kind of why I think we need a international governing body, like how it works with track and field, swimming, etc.


So you are honestly saying that the skill difference between DeathAngel and someone like.. Sjow is the same as the one between Steve jobs and kids in school? Over-dramatizing much?
Also, why was Sjow invited, Veralynn invited and DeathAngel was not? Because he was simply not as popular, it wasn't because he was in a totally different league.

And you are saying that DeathAngel is guilty of Identity Fraud, yet he is not the one who charged for coaching (as far as I know, please disregard if there is evidence to the contrary).
So technically, DeathAngel is only guilty of participating in tournaments under someone else's name. Not taking money from anyone (again, as far as I've seen, there's no evidence that sustains that).

And you are honestly saying that playing under a different name is basically grounds for jail time? Ridiculous!
Get him banned from DreamHack? Under what basis, that he played under a different nick? I'm sure no other pro-gamers do that. Or it's fine as long as nobody gets caught.

You want to convince me, it's easy, tell me what DeathAngel did, related to the actual game, that would warrant him being banned from DreamHack. Spoofing? That's it?
As long as there's no evidence that he actually got money from it, then he's fine to play. If he did make money off it, then it's up to the hosts at DH, no?
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JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 00:39:59
October 06 2012 00:39 GMT
#192
Would people please stop talking about DeathAngel in this thread?

The thing is, he did something wrong and should be punished for it, but nobody has done anything and it is not on DreamHack's shoulders to come on a white stallion and hand out punishment to him. An instance above tournament arrangers is needed for that to happen.

Also, tournament held in Bucharest, Romania.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28085 Posts
October 06 2012 00:39 GMT
#193
Should be a good tournament
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
October 06 2012 01:28 GMT
#194
On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
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On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 01:49:55
October 06 2012 01:45 GMT
#195
TOP and Inca were the first Koreans to ever go to a foreign tournament at DH Winter 2010, nice to see them back at Dreamhack.

On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:
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On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.


Easy, there are many worse (male) players than DeathAngel that make much more than him. Incontrol, Suppy, MaxiumusBlack, and Destiny are not as good as DeathAngel but have spent more time making themselves into marketable personalities. Before the scandal DeathAngel didn't have any more personality than a random Korean, but he still blamed reverse sexism which is a bullshit excuse.
nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 02:02:54
October 06 2012 01:48 GMT
#196
On October 05 2012 23:58 desRow wrote:
it's kinda weird how no tournaments are banning him and his team didn't release any statement. I don't hate the guy but it seems odd =/


Stop
the
drama

On October 06 2012 03:27 HonorZ wrote:
DeathAngel should not be allowed to participate in this tournament seriously... DreamHack should definitely NOT be forgiving about this. Not so soon at the least...


Because DeathAngel commited fraud to Dreamhack.

Good luck all Romanians. I hope Darkthron/Deathangel/NightEnD will do well.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 06 2012 01:52 GMT
#197
On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:
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On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.

the account leveling is one thing, but playing showmatches as her is fucked up. i dont care what the economy of sc2 is. there are 100s of other unknowns that dont do that shit.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
October 06 2012 01:58 GMT
#198
On October 06 2012 10:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.

the account leveling is one thing, but playing showmatches as her is fucked up. i dont care what the economy of sc2 is. there are 100s of other unknowns that dont do that shit.

well how do you know that? and however fucked playing showmatches as her is, it's better than earning less than $50/month....
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 06 2012 01:58 GMT
#199
InCa going to DT his way to the finals
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 04:14:42
October 06 2012 04:05 GMT
#200
On October 06 2012 10:45 jalstar wrote:
TOP and Inca were the first Koreans to ever go to a foreign tournament at DH Winter 2010, nice to see them back at Dreamhack.

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On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.


Easy, there are many worse (male) players than DeathAngel that make much more than him. Incontrol, Suppy, MaxiumusBlack, and Destiny are not as good as DeathAngel but have spent more time making themselves into marketable personalities. Before the scandal DeathAngel didn't have any more personality than a random Korean, but he still blamed reverse sexism which is a bullshit excuse.

wtf bm yo . . .
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glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
October 06 2012 04:30 GMT
#201
On October 06 2012 09:22 CubEdIn wrote:
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On October 06 2012 04:55 glzElectromaster wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:52 Bumblebee wrote:
[quote]
Are you serious? His actions put people in jail in a lot of countries. Luckily it got stopped before it became big or very very serious.


Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.


I'm sorry what?
Stop talking about what you don't know?
I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for.
Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised.

And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious?

Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using.
The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please.


Hm. So apparently it's fair and square if I have Steve Jobs participate in a high school business tournament for me, as long as he did it himself without cheating? I think you're getting something wrong there.

I don't know too much about how tournament organizers think or how EU law works or anything, but it's gonna be hard to root for him, especially after that terrible, terrible reasoning he posted on the thread.

Kind of why I think we need a international governing body, like how it works with track and field, swimming, etc.


So you are honestly saying that the skill difference between DeathAngel and someone like.. Sjow is the same as the one between Steve jobs and kids in school? Over-dramatizing much?
Also, why was Sjow invited, Veralynn invited and DeathAngel was not? Because he was simply not as popular, it wasn't because he was in a totally different league.

And you are saying that DeathAngel is guilty of Identity Fraud, yet he is not the one who charged for coaching (as far as I know, please disregard if there is evidence to the contrary).
So technically, DeathAngel is only guilty of participating in tournaments under someone else's name. Not taking money from anyone (again, as far as I've seen, there's no evidence that sustains that).

And you are honestly saying that playing under a different name is basically grounds for jail time? Ridiculous!
Get him banned from DreamHack? Under what basis, that he played under a different nick? I'm sure no other pro-gamers do that. Or it's fine as long as nobody gets caught.

You want to convince me, it's easy, tell me what DeathAngel did, related to the actual game, that would warrant him being banned from DreamHack. Spoofing? That's it?
As long as there's no evidence that he actually got money from it, then he's fine to play. If he did make money off it, then it's up to the hosts at DH, no?


Calm down sir. I was talking about female tournaments with that analogy.

And I clearly said that I don't know anything about EU laws or what DH officials think. I didn't say anything about having him banned or that he should be jailed. All I said was that its just hard to root for him in the competition.

Quite honestly, I've been supportive of him since his attempt at Code A where he got to the finals. It was a little disappointing to find out that he was involved in such a fraud, and his response to it. Of course Veralynn was the mastermind, but DeathAngel knew what he was doing, and it's obviously against sportsmanship. It's not just playing under a "different ID", playing in a female-only tournament for her is obviously violating the tournament rules.

But again, I don't really know how much consequence he should get. That's why I said in the earlier post that we need a international governing body that can straighten and determine those things out without us having to quarrel and bitch over it.
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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
October 06 2012 04:34 GMT
#202
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?

Well you see they had originally invited Veralynn...
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Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 04:56:34
October 06 2012 04:54 GMT
#203
On October 06 2012 13:30 glzElectromaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 09:22 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 04:55 glzElectromaster wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:45 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 03:04 Mackus wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:56 CubEdIn wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:52 Whatson wrote:
On October 06 2012 02:49 Kabras wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:56 Bumblebee wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:54 Thruth wrote:
[quote]

Can sb tell me what is he talking about?

DeathAngel and VeraLynn cheated with their identities with streaming and coaching. DeathAngel played on her stream without webcam saying he was her and with that gained a lot of viewers being a good-gamer girl, made money off of that and got recognized with coaching and made money off of that too. It luckily got stopped very fast.


Not to sound like a fanboy but i don't see this being such a big deal. I thought he cheated in a match, like Spades did or some shit. So he posed as as a girl on her stream? ROFL, the drama lovers on TL really put reddit to shame. Jesus, will you people loosen up a little? IdrA, Orb, Spades, Destiny and probably many others did a lot more seriously offensive crap and never had any REAL problems. On the contrary, idra and destiny got 90% of their fans only because of retarded drama. And even if he gets sued (lmao) i don't see any court taking this shit seriously, unless maybe the stream owner is the one that sues him. Have to say i'm really disappointed in TL, so much useless drama over nothing. Yea, nothing! Fuckin grow up already.

Illegally scamming money is kind of serious mr. fanboy...


I agree, but it was actually veralynn who scammed for money. And you can't count the invite tournaments as "scamming" since it wasn't an all-girl tournament or something like that. He took out seriously good players to win said money so to me, it sounds fair.
The fact that VeraLynn actually decided to piggy-back and charge for coaching is pretty scummy, I totally agree with penalties for that, but I'm not sure that DA had any part of that.

Either way, throwing words like Jail and Fraud around is silly. This isn't a legalized activity, I doubt Idra or whoever else does coaching pays taxes for it, so please, let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay?


No but if you don't apply for self-employment you don't receive a pension.

Money doesn't come free, stop talking about what you don't know.


I'm sorry what?
Stop talking about what you don't know?
I've been self-employed for 7 years, yeah, I know what I'm talking about.

I was NOT talking about being an esports player, and declaring those money, I'm talking about getting 20eur on paypal or whatever verilynn got (I think it was what, 4-5 payments of 20-ish eur?). That is clearly undeclared money that you pay no tax for.
Maybe "TRUE" coaches, that actually spend a lot of hours/day doing it and have no other source of income DO declare this type of income, but let's be honest, overall, if 10% do pay taxes for coaching I'd be surprised.

And I'm sorry you think I'm taking his side, I really am not. But you're ACTUALLY talking about JAIL, are you serious? For someone sending you 20eur for teaching him? And she did teach them, it's practically THEIR fault for believing she was actually good. YES, it is fraud, but really? JAIL? Are you serious?

Again, I'm not condoning anything, I'm not saying it was right, I'm just saying you MIGHT be overreacting. And even if he did win money he shouldn't have, it really has very little to do with DreamHack since it wasn't really cheating or anything game-related. He won his matches fair and square, no matter what ID he was using.
The coaching part = very unfair, I agree, but the games were real and he won them based on his own skill, nothing else, so why be denied access to DreamHack? Because you're jealous you can't get to that level? Please.


Hm. So apparently it's fair and square if I have Steve Jobs participate in a high school business tournament for me, as long as he did it himself without cheating? I think you're getting something wrong there.

I don't know too much about how tournament organizers think or how EU law works or anything, but it's gonna be hard to root for him, especially after that terrible, terrible reasoning he posted on the thread.

Kind of why I think we need a international governing body, like how it works with track and field, swimming, etc.


So you are honestly saying that the skill difference between DeathAngel and someone like.. Sjow is the same as the one between Steve jobs and kids in school? Over-dramatizing much?
Also, why was Sjow invited, Veralynn invited and DeathAngel was not? Because he was simply not as popular, it wasn't because he was in a totally different league.

And you are saying that DeathAngel is guilty of Identity Fraud, yet he is not the one who charged for coaching (as far as I know, please disregard if there is evidence to the contrary).
So technically, DeathAngel is only guilty of participating in tournaments under someone else's name. Not taking money from anyone (again, as far as I've seen, there's no evidence that sustains that).

And you are honestly saying that playing under a different name is basically grounds for jail time? Ridiculous!
Get him banned from DreamHack? Under what basis, that he played under a different nick? I'm sure no other pro-gamers do that. Or it's fine as long as nobody gets caught.

You want to convince me, it's easy, tell me what DeathAngel did, related to the actual game, that would warrant him being banned from DreamHack. Spoofing? That's it?
As long as there's no evidence that he actually got money from it, then he's fine to play. If he did make money off it, then it's up to the hosts at DH, no?


Calm down sir. I was talking about female tournaments with that analogy.

And I clearly said that I don't know anything about EU laws or what DH officials think. I didn't say anything about having him banned or that he should be jailed. All I said was that its just hard to root for him in the competition.

Quite honestly, I've been supportive of him since his attempt at Code A where he got to the finals. It was a little disappointing to find out that he was involved in such a fraud, and his response to it. Of course Veralynn was the mastermind, but DeathAngel knew what he was doing, and it's obviously against sportsmanship. It's not just playing under a "different ID", playing in a female-only tournament for her is obviously violating the tournament rules.

But again, I don't really know how much consequence he should get. That's why I said in the earlier post that we need a international governing body that can straighten and determine those things out without us having to quarrel and bitch over it.


Yes we need this totally otherwise every person who has cheated in the past will always come back and snake their way back in the scene, the Korean scene wouldn't stand for this and have punished foreigners for being jerks in the past - GOM and Naniwa a good example, many thought it was a non-punishable offence but GOM held firm and showed authority in strongest possible way
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
October 06 2012 05:44 GMT
#204
Can't wait to get a picture with Stephano
This is gonna be fun!
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
October 06 2012 05:44 GMT
#205
On October 06 2012 13:34 imJealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?

Well you see they had originally invited Veralynn...


i couldn't help myself
can i get my estro logo back pls
SaSiWa
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden39 Posts
October 06 2012 07:17 GMT
#206
So very happy to see NaNiwa on the list! Gogo get enough points to qualify for Winter! GLGL
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transcendent one
Profile Joined July 2012
251 Posts
October 06 2012 07:51 GMT
#207
On October 06 2012 14:44 aRyuujin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 13:34 imJealous wrote:
On October 06 2012 00:21 Mackus wrote:
DeathAngel, really Dreamhack?

I mean, really? Why don't you invite Spades while you're at it?

Well you see they had originally invited Veralynn...


i couldn't help myself


nice name, I once folded Ryu Jin out of paper;;
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24839 Posts
October 06 2012 08:02 GMT
#208
The return of Old Generations, such a beautiful thing to wake up to!

Hopefully Deathangel can have a decent run, guy's a pretty legit decent player. Yeah he screwed up, but the game's his job. A complete ban from tournaments for a prolonged period would likely mean he'd have to give up playing full-time, which would seem a tad harsh. That said, he does seem to have got away somewhat scot-free.

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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 06 2012 08:53 GMT
#209
On October 06 2012 10:58 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:52 jmbthirteen wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.

the account leveling is one thing, but playing showmatches as her is fucked up. i dont care what the economy of sc2 is. there are 100s of other unknowns that dont do that shit.

well how do you know that? and however fucked playing showmatches as her is, it's better than earning less than $50/month....

no one is forcing DeathAngel to be a progamer. This is his choice. If he needs money, he shouldn't be a progamer. simple as that.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
October 06 2012 08:54 GMT
#210
Everyone deserves a second chance imho, even savior and the other guys deserve it. like, football teams were caught matchfixing, they were just fined and lost points in their standings table, same should be for e-sports, everyone should deserve punishment but deserve a second chance
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1079 Posts
October 06 2012 08:55 GMT
#211
My bet is Stephano vs BeastyQ in the finals.
mostly harmless
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
October 06 2012 08:58 GMT
#212
On October 06 2012 13:05 Superiorwolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 10:45 jalstar wrote:
TOP and Inca were the first Koreans to ever go to a foreign tournament at DH Winter 2010, nice to see them back at Dreamhack.

On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.


Easy, there are many worse (male) players than DeathAngel that make much more than him. Incontrol, Suppy, MaxiumusBlack, and Destiny are not as good as DeathAngel but have spent more time making themselves into marketable personalities. Before the scandal DeathAngel didn't have any more personality than a random Korean, but he still blamed reverse sexism which is a bullshit excuse.

wtf bm yo . . .


well you are definitly better than deathangel and the 3 other players he mentioned
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 06 2012 09:03 GMT
#213
On October 06 2012 17:58 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 13:05 Superiorwolf wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:45 jalstar wrote:
TOP and Inca were the first Koreans to ever go to a foreign tournament at DH Winter 2010, nice to see them back at Dreamhack.

On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.


Easy, there are many worse (male) players than DeathAngel that make much more than him. Incontrol, Suppy, MaxiumusBlack, and Destiny are not as good as DeathAngel but have spent more time making themselves into marketable personalities. Before the scandal DeathAngel didn't have any more personality than a random Korean, but he still blamed reverse sexism which is a bullshit excuse.

wtf bm yo . . .


well you are definitly better than deathangel and the 3 other players he mentioned


Yes lol. Suppy's name is so out of place here.

On topic I think this line up is awesome, lots of players I cheer for! Even Xlord, this will be fun.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24839 Posts
October 06 2012 09:04 GMT
#214
Yeah Suppy has been unfairly made out to be one of these patchzergs by many, guy's genuinely pretty fucking good!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
October 06 2012 09:33 GMT
#215
45. Alien Invasion

Is :
Alien Invasion HaNfy - Zerg


Go InCa go ! :D
And desrow too !
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
October 06 2012 13:02 GMT
#216
On October 06 2012 17:58 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 13:05 Superiorwolf wrote:
On October 06 2012 10:45 jalstar wrote:
TOP and Inca were the first Koreans to ever go to a foreign tournament at DH Winter 2010, nice to see them back at Dreamhack.

On October 06 2012 10:28 johnnywup wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:51 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:44 Perchloric wrote:
I can't believe DeathAngelwas invited.


honestly how can you blame deathangel though? The economy in sc2 is shit, even if you're a top player you don't make much because you're not marketable or not famous yet. Given the statement of how much he made by powerleveling veralynn, who would say no, especially when no one really knows you and you can't make a decent salary at all.


Easy, there are many worse (male) players than DeathAngel that make much more than him. Incontrol, Suppy, MaxiumusBlack, and Destiny are not as good as DeathAngel but have spent more time making themselves into marketable personalities. Before the scandal DeathAngel didn't have any more personality than a random Korean, but he still blamed reverse sexism which is a bullshit excuse.

wtf bm yo . . .


well you are definitly better than deathangel

i woudn't bet on that...
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
Aeir
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom37 Posts
October 06 2012 15:12 GMT
#217
I would bet on that )
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 06 2012 19:31 GMT
#218
I love Suppy TT, was just naming players who were more famous for personality than tournament results.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-06 20:05:38
October 06 2012 20:04 GMT
#219
Rooting for deathangel..

Or not.

Stephano has quite the chance, i think
For the rest i'm hoping for a lot upsets.
Pocky52
Profile Joined November 2011
United States463 Posts
October 07 2012 07:02 GMT
#220
oGs!!! rooting for them ^^
Meggiroth
Profile Joined March 2012
239 Posts
October 07 2012 07:36 GMT
#221
DeathAngel FIGHTING!!!!
"He who fishes in other man’s well often catches crabs." - Confucius
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
October 07 2012 07:55 GMT
#222
On October 06 2012 17:54 X3GoldDot wrote:
Everyone deserves a second chance imho, even savior and the other guys deserve it. like, football teams were caught matchfixing, they were just fined and lost points in their standings table, same should be for e-sports, everyone should deserve punishment but deserve a second chance

Not even gonna touch that part bout Savior.

But as for football, the reason why the team is only docked points is because usually the match is only fixed by 1 guy (e.g. the coach). Banning an entire team, the other staff, the players would be hugely disproportionate. The match fixer himself usually has to serve a ban. Worldwide bans up to 6 months is not uncommon when matchfixers get caught.
Aeir
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom37 Posts
October 07 2012 07:56 GMT
#223
On October 07 2012 16:36 Meggiroth wrote:
DeathAngel FIGHTING!!!!

He became quite a star after that drama....
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
October 07 2012 08:01 GMT
#224
On October 07 2012 16:55 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 17:54 X3GoldDot wrote:
Everyone deserves a second chance imho, even savior and the other guys deserve it. like, football teams were caught matchfixing, they were just fined and lost points in their standings table, same should be for e-sports, everyone should deserve punishment but deserve a second chance

Not even gonna touch that part bout Savior.

But as for football, the reason why the team is only docked points is because usually the match is only fixed by 1 guy (e.g. the coach). Banning an entire team, the other staff, the players would be hugely disproportionate. The match fixer himself usually has to serve a ban. Worldwide bans up to 6 months is not uncommon when matchfixers get caught.


and when we look to the famous world series incident, the black sox were banned permanently, right?
savior, etc. should not be given a second chance.
and this is coming from an old mjy fan
can i get my estro logo back pls
Vespasian
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania44 Posts
October 07 2012 18:10 GMT
#225
Damn think i m gonna be there Never had the chance to attend a live e-sports event and finally this one is less then 50km from me ! Got no freaking excuse now !!
Terrible Terrbile Damage!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 07 2012 18:12 GMT
#226
I might have to sit this one out
Refer to my post.
YourOldBuddy
Profile Joined December 2011
Iceland94 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-07 20:03:06
October 07 2012 19:47 GMT
#227
All the best Europeans except Sase, Morrow and Vortix/Lucifron.
Also Grubby, Kas and the RoxKis guys.

Really really good lineup though.
bosnia
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada223 Posts
October 07 2012 21:37 GMT
#228
go nerchio ~~
TL member since 2002, Protoss ftw!!
birchman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden393 Posts
October 07 2012 21:42 GMT
#229
Looks sweeet! Hopefully flights don't screw Ret over this time.
Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.
BadAssJ
Profile Joined October 2012
United States136 Posts
October 07 2012 22:14 GMT
#230
The new team that includes TOP jookto and Vines... this is their moment to shine
Proud Fapper to Tossgirl!!! (126 times!)
FuGGu
Profile Joined March 2012
United States176 Posts
October 08 2012 05:45 GMT
#231
Good looking list of players! This is NaNiwa's tournament I think
Tailss
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden233 Posts
October 08 2012 05:49 GMT
#232
Cheering for ClouD, Naniwa and Xlord!
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
October 08 2012 06:53 GMT
#233
Looking forward to this! Hope that Naniwa can bring some good games!
Hot_Bid: "B10" - ThorZain: "BINGO" - Naniwa: "Apologize! ¤%#¤#&¤% Terran IMBA"
TheSneak
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia118 Posts
October 08 2012 09:11 GMT
#234
Does anyone know much about the timing and stream options for this event? Cos that player list looks pretty sick and this could tie in really well with a Barcraft me and a mate are organising on the 20th for the GSL finals (a rare occasion where my isolated time zone might actually work in our favour!).

Any one know what time this tournament runs (roughly) and if there is a half-decent quality free stream? (Or if they're giving temporary HD keys to barcrafts like IEM does?)
"We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about." -A. Einstein
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
October 08 2012 09:34 GMT
#235
This is DreamHack so it is going to be a free HD stream.
I didn't see a schedule yet but this is a European event so it will most likely end on midnight CET.
Liquipedia
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 10:15:40
October 08 2012 10:05 GMT
#236
On October 08 2012 18:34 Noam wrote:
This is DreamHack so it is going to be a free HD stream.
I didn't see a schedule yet but this is a European event so it will most likely end on midnight CET.
Agreed, and this is exactly why i like european tournaments. I can watch it full without having much trouble with my own schedule.
Of course this changes per timezone, but for me, this is most convenient.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
October 08 2012 13:10 GMT
#237
Go RET and TLO!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
nebula.
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Sweden1431 Posts
October 08 2012 13:20 GMT
#238
i really really fucking wish NaNiwa shows how much of a boss he is!!
I miss you July ~~~ I was in PonyTales #7 wooho!
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
October 08 2012 13:37 GMT
#239
DeathAngel? The guy that pulled the scam with VeraLynn?
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
October 08 2012 13:40 GMT
#240
A foreigner really should win this one.

Lack of top Koreans really hurts my interest but it's probably preferred by most people.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
October 08 2012 13:43 GMT
#241
Suprised to see DeathAngel at DH after all that drama with that lady
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 08 2012 13:47 GMT
#242
On October 08 2012 04:47 YourOldBuddy wrote:
All the best Europeans except Sase, Morrow and Vortix/Lucifron.
Also Grubby, Kas and the RoxKis guys.

Really really good lineup though.

So basically it's not even close to all the best Europeans. =p
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
October 08 2012 14:51 GMT
#243
Will be keeping an eye on StarNaN, he really impressed me in Dreamhack summer, hoping he can improve on that performance. The scene need more new hero's to rise :D
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
October 08 2012 15:36 GMT
#244
Hmh, I'm almost tempted to go at this one since i have never been to a LAN event.

But considering the no alcohol/smoking policy coupled with the fact that they run LOL thus about 99% of the crowd will be LOL fans, well at a price around 20$ ( I heard number from 20 to 40 but i will assume 20 ) it's just not worth it for me.

Tho i believe that Romania is a huge untapped marked for Lol tournaments, a fucking lot of people here actually seem to play LOL. Might even lead to more lol tournaments here in the future.

A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
LuckyGnomTV
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Russian Federation367 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 17:04:17
October 08 2012 17:02 GMT
#245
So.. what we have here? 8 koreans - nice, MaNa - good, some bm french zerg player - ok, naama - thats will be fun and other guys to just fill up brackets. Nothing really special, but terrans have Rain, StC and TOP to watch after all.
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
October 08 2012 17:09 GMT
#246
They really don't want korean domination this dreamhack...
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-08 17:28:03
October 08 2012 17:27 GMT
#247
On October 09 2012 02:09 Raid wrote:
They really don't want korean domination this dreamhack...

You make it sound as if DH choose these players or something...
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 08 2012 17:31 GMT
#248
On October 09 2012 02:27 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 02:09 Raid wrote:
They really don't want korean domination this dreamhack...

You make it sound as if DH choose these players or something...


Or that there was Korean domination at the last Dreamhack. Yeah, they got 3 of the top 4, but I believe all of them lost at least one set during the group stages.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
October 08 2012 17:38 GMT
#249
damn no Sea
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
October 08 2012 18:03 GMT
#250
DeathAngel? I can't believe they let him participate already. Nothing against giving second chances but this is too soon. By far too soon.
International SC2 doesn't have a big organization to give out penalties for cheaters and scammers so it is up to the community to do that. Tournament organizers should be the front row in fighting against cheating and fraud. By letting DeathAngel participate in the very next DreamHack after he was caught stomps on their community responsibility.

And yes of course this is the big talk, it is only natural that people talk about the scammer in the tournament and not about the rest of the players. Let Savior into the next OSL and see if anyone talks about Flash or MC. But I don't think DH actually needs it. Maybe they did it to distract from the lack of Korean superstars? Maybe they just didn't know? Or maybe they are just far too forgiving? Either way, it puts DH into a bad spotlight. Now it looks like they don't care if someone is a scammer, as long as he makes them a bit of money.
tbeen
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany98 Posts
October 08 2012 19:39 GMT
#251
On October 09 2012 03:03 Fenrax wrote:
DeathAngel? I can't believe they let him participate already. Nothing against giving second chances but this is too soon. By far too soon.
International SC2 doesn't have a big organization to give out penalties for cheaters and scammers so it is up to the community to do that. Tournament organizers should be the front row in fighting against cheating and fraud. By letting DeathAngel participate in the very next DreamHack after he was caught stomps on their community responsibility.

And yes of course this is the big talk, it is only natural that people talk about the scammer in the tournament and not about the rest of the players. Let Savior into the next OSL and see if anyone talks about Flash or MC. But I don't think DH actually needs it. Maybe they did it to distract from the lack of Korean superstars? Maybe they just didn't know? Or maybe they are just far too forgiving? Either way, it puts DH into a bad spotlight. Now it looks like they don't care if someone is a scammer, as long as he makes them a bit of money.


When will people like you understand that it is a tournament with a free sign up without Dreamhack accepting them or not. Maybe he needs some kind of punishment for it but Dreamhack isn't the one responsible for that and that's why he will be playing there. And you should overthink the border between "cheating and fraud". In addition to that the accusation that Dreamhack needs this because of the lack of Koreans or anything else is just stupid and you are only presuming it, he wanted to play in his homecountry and he will.
siii
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway251 Posts
October 08 2012 19:55 GMT
#252
Targa to take it all!
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
October 08 2012 19:57 GMT
#253
On October 05 2012 23:23 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 23:21 Doubting wrote:
On October 05 2012 23:19 Mise wrote:
I guess a team picked up Inca, TOP, JookTo and Vines if they actually show up.

Total biscuit's team?

Pretty much my guess too. Pretty sure that's the case. Or another new team.


apeX, I believe.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Vespasian
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania44 Posts
October 08 2012 21:24 GMT
#254
On October 08 2012 18:11 TheSneak wrote:
Does anyone know much about the timing and stream options for this event? Cos that player list looks pretty sick and this could tie in really well with a Barcraft me and a mate are organising on the 20th for the GSL finals (a rare occasion where my isolated time zone might actually work in our favour!).

Any one know what time this tournament runs (roughly) and if there is a half-decent quality free stream? (Or if they're giving temporary HD keys to barcrafts like IEM does?)


They have a decent quality stream for free ,think it s 720p

I m almost scared about any issues with the stream myself as i want e-sports events to be common place in the future here in Romania but this is the first one so far and it has the potential to make or break the scene . We usually have some of the best internet in the world bandwidth wise but up-time wise it s mehh. Hope they properly sorted it.
Terrible Terrbile Damage!
OlSpiced
Profile Joined February 2012
Austria96 Posts
October 09 2012 15:11 GMT
#255
I was hoping monchi would participate. :D
Hope he gets far

And i cant wait to see inca again. I allways liked the dark templar lord
falafelnr1
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden444 Posts
October 09 2012 20:13 GMT
#256
Naniwa has canceled is participation
Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
October 10 2012 06:44 GMT
#257
On October 09 2012 04:39 tbeen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 03:03 Fenrax wrote:
DeathAngel? I can't believe they let him participate already. Nothing against giving second chances but this is too soon. By far too soon.
International SC2 doesn't have a big organization to give out penalties for cheaters and scammers so it is up to the community to do that. Tournament organizers should be the front row in fighting against cheating and fraud. By letting DeathAngel participate in the very next DreamHack after he was caught stomps on their community responsibility.

And yes of course this is the big talk, it is only natural that people talk about the scammer in the tournament and not about the rest of the players. Let Savior into the next OSL and see if anyone talks about Flash or MC. But I don't think DH actually needs it. Maybe they did it to distract from the lack of Korean superstars? Maybe they just didn't know? Or maybe they are just far too forgiving? Either way, it puts DH into a bad spotlight. Now it looks like they don't care if someone is a scammer, as long as he makes them a bit of money.


When will people like you understand that it is a tournament with a free sign up without Dreamhack accepting them or not.

This preposterous argument has been ridiculed in this thread by so many different people, and still people bring it up.
Liquipedia
Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
October 10 2012 07:17 GMT
#258
lets see how apeX does
MC, Stephano, Ret, Jjakji, Grubby, Life, HerO, Scarlett, TaeJa
RealAncestor
Profile Joined August 2012
Romania25 Posts
October 10 2012 08:57 GMT
#259
Why isn't this event posted in the Current / Upcoming BIG event page ? It is as big as DH Valencia...
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
October 10 2012 09:49 GMT
#260
On October 09 2012 04:39 tbeen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 03:03 Fenrax wrote:
DeathAngel? I can't believe they let him participate already. Nothing against giving second chances but this is too soon. By far too soon.
International SC2 doesn't have a big organization to give out penalties for cheaters and scammers so it is up to the community to do that. Tournament organizers should be the front row in fighting against cheating and fraud. By letting DeathAngel participate in the very next DreamHack after he was caught stomps on their community responsibility.

And yes of course this is the big talk, it is only natural that people talk about the scammer in the tournament and not about the rest of the players. Let Savior into the next OSL and see if anyone talks about Flash or MC. But I don't think DH actually needs it. Maybe they did it to distract from the lack of Korean superstars? Maybe they just didn't know? Or maybe they are just far too forgiving? Either way, it puts DH into a bad spotlight. Now it looks like they don't care if someone is a scammer, as long as he makes them a bit of money.


When will people like you understand that it is a tournament with a free sign up without Dreamhack accepting them or not. Maybe he needs some kind of punishment for it but Dreamhack isn't the one responsible for that and that's why he will be playing there. And you should overthink the border between "cheating and fraud". In addition to that the accusation that Dreamhack needs this because of the lack of Koreans or anything else is just stupid and you are only presuming it, he wanted to play in his homecountry and he will.


When will people like you understand that Dreamhack isn't some kind of Christ child that is free of wrong? They can deny anyone entry into their tournament. It's their own tournament. It's like saying MLG can't deny a player entry into the Open Bracket. Yeah, they can. The fact of the matter is that they dropped the ball on Deathangel, and I'm not watching the tournament because of it. They're not even releasing a statement about it, unofficial or official, and that's what really annoys me. It's like they don't even care that he's a fraudulent player. If this is the punishment from the community for such actions, remind me to go PM some European Grandmasters about a plan I just figured out.
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
October 10 2012 12:40 GMT
#261
On October 10 2012 05:13 falafelnr1 wrote:
Naniwa has canceled is participation

Why ? Did the Nerchio matches have anything to do with that decision ?
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
October 10 2012 12:44 GMT
#262
Wow that's a big list of players.
gl every swede and EG!
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U_G_L_Y
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States516 Posts
October 10 2012 12:53 GMT
#263
14 Terran out of 64?
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
October 10 2012 13:00 GMT
#264
On October 10 2012 21:53 U_G_L_Y wrote:
14 Terran out of 64?


Still a much better ratio than WCS.
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
October 10 2012 13:00 GMT
#265
On October 10 2012 21:53 U_G_L_Y wrote:
14 Terran out of 64?


The main competitors are 15 Z, 15 P, 10 T
Head of Production at FACEITTV, ex-WW & Mouz SC2 manager
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 10 2012 13:19 GMT
#266
Would be funny to see Mista face off vs Ranged.
Off-season = best season
cheeprezah
Profile Joined October 2012
5 Posts
October 10 2012 18:36 GMT
#267
WhiteRa isn't coming ????? BOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
October 11 2012 11:42 GMT
#268
I'll give explanations later about my non-participation to the GD invitationnal ( and DH bucharest too ) But there's a good news. Be patient


Stephano is not coming. Source is his twitter.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
GreeN__
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania67 Posts
October 12 2012 19:56 GMT
#269
Rooting for DeathAngel and Nightend.

The thing with DeathAngel.. I bet there are so many players doing that and don`t get cought.. so if there is a "mora" issue with what he did you should reconsider that..

All in all we are humans and we make mistakes.. that dosen`t necesary mean he should be perma banned from the first mistake.. that`s not growing e-sports , that`s destroying it..
Mess With the Best? Die like the rest.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 12 2012 20:03 GMT
#270
On October 13 2012 04:56 GreeN__ wrote:
Rooting for DeathAngel and Nightend.

The thing with DeathAngel.. I bet there are so many players doing that and don`t get cought.. so if there is a "mora" issue with what he did you should reconsider that..

All in all we are humans and we make mistakes.. that dosen`t necesary mean he should be perma banned from the first mistake.. that`s not growing e-sports , that`s destroying it..

How many more female "grandmaster" players are out there who could potentially coax people into doing showmatches?
GreeN__
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania67 Posts
October 12 2012 20:12 GMT
#271
On October 13 2012 05:03 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 04:56 GreeN__ wrote:
Rooting for DeathAngel and Nightend.

The thing with DeathAngel.. I bet there are so many players doing that and don`t get cought.. so if there is a "mora" issue with what he did you should reconsider that..

All in all we are humans and we make mistakes.. that dosen`t necesary mean he should be perma banned from the first mistake.. that`s not growing e-sports , that`s destroying it..

How many more female "grandmaster" players are out there who could potentially coax people into doing showmatches?


Even if there is 1 more , my argument is valid.
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Skiba
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany153 Posts
October 12 2012 20:19 GMT
#272
There will also be an official english stream by HasuObs and Socke
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Noam
Profile Joined September 2010
Israel2209 Posts
October 13 2012 06:40 GMT
#273
I haven't been keeping exact score, but has there been a single Romanian person in this thread who was in any way ashamed of what their countryman did?

It seems like you all either think there is nothing wrong with fraud or you think everyone should just forgive him for whatever reason.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-13 07:06:59
October 13 2012 07:04 GMT
#274
i honestly think the stc has to be the favorite here unless i missed anyone major. I also find it funny that some of the players sound more like products than player names.

also i see why hongun lost passion and retired if he was on a team like absolute legends that is willing to keep someone like death angel on the roster.
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Vinc
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany40 Posts
October 13 2012 18:21 GMT
#275
Why is Deathangel still allowed to play?

Tournaments need to punish such behavior!
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 13 2012 18:29 GMT
#276
Btw. since Stephano droped out, will there be any replacement?
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
October 16 2012 14:16 GMT
#277
On October 13 2012 15:40 Noam wrote:
I haven't been keeping exact score, but has there been a single Romanian person in this thread who was in any way ashamed of what their countryman did?

It seems like you all either think there is nothing wrong with fraud or you think everyone should just forgive him for whatever reason.


I think it's somewhat normal for people to defend their players especially when we have like 2-3 decent ones in the whole country.
But looking at this from the outside, I have this opinion.

1. I don't consider it DA's fault that that chick charged people money for coaching. As long as he wasn't part of it (and I've seen no evidence of him making money like that), then it's not really he who committed fraud, it was her.
2. Winning in normal tournaments where good players were invited, and a girl did because she was a girl, but deathangel was not even though he was better than some players, I find that "meh". As in, maybe he deserved the invitation to begin with, but he didn't get it because he isn't a girl?

Either way, I don't really think it matters in any way what Romanians in this thread thing. It's up to Dreamhack organizers if they are to ban players or not. I personally wouldn't be banning people for smurfing, because I'm sure a LOT of players are doing it anyway, and it has absolutely no impact on LAN play and this tournament whatsoever.
Actually, I would particularly not ban him because drama = publicity lol.
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
October 16 2012 14:34 GMT
#278
Go go theSTC! Time for you to finally get a big tournament win.
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iNsaNe-
Profile Joined January 2005
Finland5201 Posts
October 16 2012 14:43 GMT
#279
On October 13 2012 05:12 GreeN__ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 05:03 StarVe wrote:
How many more female "grandmaster" players are out there who could potentially coax people into doing showmatches?


Even if there is 1 more , my argument is valid.


How does that make the "I bet there are so many players doing that" -argument valid
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
October 16 2012 14:57 GMT
#280
On October 13 2012 15:40 Noam wrote:
I haven't been keeping exact score, but has there been a single Romanian person in this thread who was in any way ashamed of what their countryman did?

It seems like you all either think there is nothing wrong with fraud or you think everyone should just forgive him for whatever reason.

funny how we stick together at times like this, we don;t want our tiny fraction of esports to be demolished with anything, so we are proctecting what is ours!

Yes, I am able to forgive deathangel just because he is romanian and i understand his situation better than people who are not romanian.
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
Leru
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Romania257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 15:09:24
October 16 2012 15:07 GMT
#281
On October 16 2012 23:57 InfusedTT.DaZe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 15:40 Noam wrote:
I haven't been keeping exact score, but has there been a single Romanian person in this thread who was in any way ashamed of what their countryman did?

It seems like you all either think there is nothing wrong with fraud or you think everyone should just forgive him for whatever reason.

funny how we stick together at times like this, we don;t want our tiny fraction of esports to be demolished with anything, so we are proctecting what is ours!

Yes, I am able to forgive deathangel just because he is romanian and i understand his situation better than people who are not romanian.


I think your arguments are BS and he should be banned at least for this year. Stop with the nationalist bullshit, I want to see good players there, not the ones that impersonate and abuse tournaments .

Edit : Do you really need another crappy person to be associated with our country ? I think we have plenty.

Go, NightEnd
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Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
October 16 2012 15:09 GMT
#282
On October 14 2012 03:29 Xoronius wrote:
Btw. since Stephano droped out, will there be any replacement?


DeathAngel somewhat counts. Randomly allowing a guilty fraudster to participate should create the same amount of drama as your average Stephano mad genius.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 15:10:57
October 16 2012 15:09 GMT
#283
Dreamhack put DA on the list just to get the buzz going, now their mid ok lineup for a mid DH event will be hyped as the big drama thread of the week

I don't understand DH sometimes, they talk about working togheter with other organizers and getting rules in place etc, the next minute they let people who commit fraud play in their tournaments and choose to ignore common rules for tournaments (They recently opted out on common rules for CS:GO).
I am not young enough to know everything.
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 16:20:12
October 16 2012 16:17 GMT
#284
Well, maybe Stephano can wear a wig and fake breasts and sign in as "Stephanie".

But anyway, looks like an awesome tournament! Interesting to see if Naniwa can finally conquer this unconquerable tournament. I'm a little disappointed in the low participation level of NA players though. EG, for example should definitely fly more players there. Sure flying to a far away location is a bitch but that should not be a big obstacle for pro players as long as it doesn't happen too often.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 16 2012 16:22 GMT
#285
On October 17 2012 01:17 Kilby wrote:
Well, maybe Stephano can wear a wig and fake breasts and sign in as "Stephanie".

But anyway, looks like an awesome tournament! Interesting to see if Naniwa can finally conquer this unconquerable tournament. I'm a little disappointed in the low participation level of NA players though. EG, for example should definitely fly more players there. Sure flying to a far away location is a bitch but that should not be a big obstacle for pro players as long as it doesn't happen too often.

Naniwa dropped out, too, sorry.
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 16:31:11
October 16 2012 16:24 GMT
#286
On October 17 2012 01:22 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 01:17 Kilby wrote:
Well, maybe Stephano can wear a wig and fake breasts and sign in as "Stephanie".

But anyway, looks like an awesome tournament! Interesting to see if Naniwa can finally conquer this unconquerable tournament. I'm a little disappointed in the low participation level of NA players though. EG, for example should definitely fly more players there. Sure flying to a far away location is a bitch but that should not be a big obstacle for pro players as long as it doesn't happen too often.

Naniwa dropped out, too, sorry.


Oh, dammit. Really? That sucks.


Also, may update the OP regarding players who are confirmed to have dropped out?
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
October 16 2012 16:43 GMT
#287
On October 17 2012 00:09 Jiddra wrote:
Dreamhack put DA on the list just to get the buzz going, now their mid ok lineup for a mid DH event will be hyped as the big drama thread of the week

I don't understand DH sometimes, they talk about working togheter with other organizers and getting rules in place etc, the next minute they let people who commit fraud play in their tournaments and choose to ignore common rules for tournaments (They recently opted out on common rules for CS:GO).


Wasn't it free signup? I doubt he was invited.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 21:54:05
October 18 2012 21:53 GMT
#288
All the koreans in Apex have cancelled their participation, so has Xlord because of illness.




Who'd have seen that coming?
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 18 2012 21:57 GMT
#289
On October 19 2012 06:53 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
All the koreans in Apex have cancelled their participation, so has Xlord because of illness.


https://twitter.com/Hellspawnlord/status/259048567338065920

Who'd have seen that coming?

Haha, totally unexpected.....OR?
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 18 2012 22:00 GMT
#290
On October 19 2012 06:53 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
All the koreans in Apex have cancelled their participation, so has Xlord because of illness.


https://twitter.com/Hellspawnlord/status/259048567338065920

Who'd have seen that coming?


I did, for one
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Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
October 18 2012 23:12 GMT
#291
Awesome. OP still list's Stephano and Naniwa as participants. Maybe they know something we don't.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
October 19 2012 07:26 GMT
#292
I'm starting to lose faith in this tournament...First Stephano got suspended by EG then Naniwa dropped out to.
Now apeX (oGs 2.0) koreans cancelled their participation.This tournament's gonna lack some high top tier players
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
October 19 2012 07:32 GMT
#293
On October 17 2012 00:07 Leru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 23:57 InfusedTT.DaZe wrote:
On October 13 2012 15:40 Noam wrote:
I haven't been keeping exact score, but has there been a single Romanian person in this thread who was in any way ashamed of what their countryman did?

It seems like you all either think there is nothing wrong with fraud or you think everyone should just forgive him for whatever reason.

funny how we stick together at times like this, we don;t want our tiny fraction of esports to be demolished with anything, so we are proctecting what is ours!

Yes, I am able to forgive deathangel just because he is romanian and i understand his situation better than people who are not romanian.


I think your arguments are BS and he should be banned at least for this year. Stop with the nationalist bullshit, I want to see good players there, not the ones that impersonate and abuse tournaments .

Edit : Do you really need another crappy person to be associated with our country ? I think we have plenty.

Go, NightEnd


deathangel is a good player, but he was impersonating as veralynn.
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 20:42:47
October 19 2012 20:40 GMT
#294
Groups are up on Binarybeast/Liquipedia, by the way.

Sad about all the dropouts, but the groups are still looking somewhat decent, some have three or more known players already meeting in the first group stage. Nerchio/White/Protosser/Sleeep (the Turkish Sleeep with three e, Korean Sleep seems to have cancelled as well), for example, or Giantt/StarEagle/elfi and SonG/DeathAngel/fraer.

Poor Protosser should be screwed already with his awful ZvZ.

Although he wasn't on the previously announced list, ROX.KIS.fraer, DreamHack Summer semi-finalist is also participating, can't wait to see him do well, one of my favourite EU players.
ENWL-Purple
Profile Joined November 2010
Hungary32 Posts
October 20 2012 06:46 GMT
#295
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WerderBremen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany1070 Posts
October 20 2012 09:35 GMT
#296
No tournament thread up? Don't want to miss group L/N
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
October 20 2012 09:38 GMT
#297
Guess this is gonna be the LR thread?

What happened to Stephano and Naniwa, why didn't they show up?

Why did grubby not choose to participate?
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Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
October 20 2012 10:12 GMT
#298
I suppose Ret didn't show up? He is 0-2 against all his opponents.
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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
October 20 2012 10:16 GMT
#299
This tournament will be in the fail records. I am romanian and i am so unlucky with this line up. I bought 3 tickets and i don't even fell like going even if it's 3 blocks from my home. I will go only and only for Nightend and DeathAngel and maybe see something interesting, but doubting it.

DH really dropped the ball on this one. Also...no LR thread on a DH going on is a great sign of fail.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
October 20 2012 10:19 GMT
#300
On October 05 2012 23:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
GO INCA

LiquidDT?

One can dream...
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
October 20 2012 10:24 GMT
#301
On October 20 2012 18:38 TheDougler wrote:
Guess this is gonna be the LR thread?

What happened to Stephano and Naniwa, why didn't they show up?

Why did grubby not choose to participate?


Are all in Korea as far as i know.

No LR is weird indeed, but this DH is one to many imo and there's no hype.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 20 2012 10:25 GMT
#302
I wonder about Ret as well, he was mentioned this morning in the TL writeup, I thought, they would know, if he competes or not. Really unfortunate, that he doesn´t participate, could have been a great tourney for him.
WerderBremen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany1070 Posts
October 20 2012 10:25 GMT
#303
On October 20 2012 19:24 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:38 TheDougler wrote:
Guess this is gonna be the LR thread?

What happened to Stephano and Naniwa, why didn't they show up?

Why did grubby not choose to participate?


Are all in Korea as far as i know.

No LR is weird indeed, but this DH is one to many imo and there's no hype.


I'm hyped for WhiteRA and TLO groups!!!!!!!
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Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
October 20 2012 10:28 GMT
#304
Why no LR?
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
October 20 2012 10:29 GMT
#305
On October 20 2012 19:24 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2012 18:38 TheDougler wrote:
Guess this is gonna be the LR thread?

What happened to Stephano and Naniwa, why didn't they show up?

Why did grubby not choose to participate?


Are all in Korea as far as i know.

No LR is weird indeed, but this DH is one to many imo and there's no hype.

This and the fact that so many players has failed to show up, like stephano and a bunch of Koreans(thank you APEX). There are too many tournaments right now, It's impossible, at least for me, to be up on date on what's happening.
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Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
October 20 2012 10:31 GMT
#306
Wow, no LR, it's kind of sad...
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
October 20 2012 10:32 GMT
#307
i guess starting during GSL takes its toll on a tournament
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9997 Posts
October 20 2012 10:32 GMT
#308
did ret show up?
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 20 2012 10:39 GMT
#309
On October 20 2012 19:32 ROOTT1 wrote:
did ret show up?


Pretty sure he did not.
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4tre55
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
October 20 2012 10:46 GMT
#310
Bad day with GSL Finals and stuff, but still sad
4tre55
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany330 Posts
October 20 2012 10:48 GMT
#311
Hanfy going out to Evaner

He was doing really good in german Tournies, i thought he could go much further tbh.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
October 20 2012 11:16 GMT
#312
Very Happy for ClouD

Also go AureS !
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Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
October 20 2012 13:28 GMT
#313
Sucks that Stephano can't be there.
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