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On June 23 2012 03:56 NoGasfOu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 02:45 iGoTThiZ wrote:On June 23 2012 02:30 MetalPanda wrote:On June 23 2012 02:23 doffe wrote:On June 23 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
So, she's famous for beating one Korean and got beaten by two other Koreans in the same tournament and resulting in 200 pages of fan club, the same number as the most popular Korean, MKP?
Sounds right. So? Popularity doesn't come from how many games you win...only! well, wouldnt it be better if it did? What else has nourished this popularity? The fact that its a Transsexual?. I mean, there are plenty of people that has beaten one Korean and does not have nearly this amount of fans. Seems a bit unfair imo :p. Its not like Scarlett won fans with some super charismatic personality (not saying the personality isnt super charismatic, just that the reason was not that). But then again, people can be fans of whomever they wish certinly, just find it funny how Scarlett have so many with so few results Just cause of a sexchange... prolly gonna get warned now, for being frank :p. I have nothing against any type of HBTq person, do what the fuck you want aslong as youre happy and dont hurt anyone. She came out of NO where, having no teams, that's why! And being so close to beat a Code S Korean is something too, even if the result in the end was a loss, she impressed with her skills, and no one besides the viewers of the Iron Lady cup and the Playhem ''Sponsor Me'' tournament know who she was. And seeing her ladder games, she keeps improving, and the patch probably helps her a lot with her ZvT early game weakness, so I think she's potentially dangerous. Don't pretend man. It is pretty obvious the main reason she is as popular as she is now is because of the gender change. She is a good player but again, dont pretend that it was her beating two mediocre koreans that led her to this fame. Sadly, women will always get extra attention especially in video games....that is just how the world works. She has potential to becoming a top player i just always find it extremely annoying how some fans overhype her to the point where they pretend she is already winning tournaments left and right. That and pretending her beating two mediocre koreans was the only reason for her fame. Just look at Incontrol for example, the guy is horrible by pro standards but he is one of the most popular pro's around because of his personality. It is the same here with Scarlett's gender change. She beat only one Korean, Terius, AKA BumbleBee; and 2 Koreans beat her in the same tournament.
Isn't Ddoro korean? either way they are both mediocre so doesn't matter.
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On June 23 2012 04:23 iGoTThiZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:56 NoGasfOu wrote:On June 23 2012 02:45 iGoTThiZ wrote:On June 23 2012 02:30 MetalPanda wrote:On June 23 2012 02:23 doffe wrote:On June 23 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
So, she's famous for beating one Korean and got beaten by two other Koreans in the same tournament and resulting in 200 pages of fan club, the same number as the most popular Korean, MKP?
Sounds right. So? Popularity doesn't come from how many games you win...only! well, wouldnt it be better if it did? What else has nourished this popularity? The fact that its a Transsexual?. I mean, there are plenty of people that has beaten one Korean and does not have nearly this amount of fans. Seems a bit unfair imo :p. Its not like Scarlett won fans with some super charismatic personality (not saying the personality isnt super charismatic, just that the reason was not that). But then again, people can be fans of whomever they wish certinly, just find it funny how Scarlett have so many with so few results Just cause of a sexchange... prolly gonna get warned now, for being frank :p. I have nothing against any type of HBTq person, do what the fuck you want aslong as youre happy and dont hurt anyone. She came out of NO where, having no teams, that's why! And being so close to beat a Code S Korean is something too, even if the result in the end was a loss, she impressed with her skills, and no one besides the viewers of the Iron Lady cup and the Playhem ''Sponsor Me'' tournament know who she was. And seeing her ladder games, she keeps improving, and the patch probably helps her a lot with her ZvT early game weakness, so I think she's potentially dangerous. Don't pretend man. It is pretty obvious the main reason she is as popular as she is now is because of the gender change. She is a good player but again, dont pretend that it was her beating two mediocre koreans that led her to this fame. Sadly, women will always get extra attention especially in video games....that is just how the world works. She has potential to becoming a top player i just always find it extremely annoying how some fans overhype her to the point where they pretend she is already winning tournaments left and right. That and pretending her beating two mediocre koreans was the only reason for her fame. Just look at Incontrol for example, the guy is horrible by pro standards but he is one of the most popular pro's around because of his personality. It is the same here with Scarlett's gender change. She beat only one Korean, Terius, AKA BumbleBee; and 2 Koreans beat her in the same tournament. Isn't Ddoro korean? either way they are both mediocre so doesn't matter.
the point is that even sub-par/mediocre 'unknown' pros dont just go into tournaments and beat koreans without even having SOME team...completely teamless and going into a tournament and doing decently means the POTENTIAL is there. i dont know how you cannot see that.
because of her potential, shown with her competing well without any support/team, she got a lot of hype and interest.
her gender only added to it; not caused it.
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On June 23 2012 04:23 iGoTThiZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 03:56 NoGasfOu wrote:On June 23 2012 02:45 iGoTThiZ wrote:On June 23 2012 02:30 MetalPanda wrote:On June 23 2012 02:23 doffe wrote:On June 23 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
So, she's famous for beating one Korean and got beaten by two other Koreans in the same tournament and resulting in 200 pages of fan club, the same number as the most popular Korean, MKP?
Sounds right. So? Popularity doesn't come from how many games you win...only! well, wouldnt it be better if it did? What else has nourished this popularity? The fact that its a Transsexual?. I mean, there are plenty of people that has beaten one Korean and does not have nearly this amount of fans. Seems a bit unfair imo :p. Its not like Scarlett won fans with some super charismatic personality (not saying the personality isnt super charismatic, just that the reason was not that). But then again, people can be fans of whomever they wish certinly, just find it funny how Scarlett have so many with so few results Just cause of a sexchange... prolly gonna get warned now, for being frank :p. I have nothing against any type of HBTq person, do what the fuck you want aslong as youre happy and dont hurt anyone. She came out of NO where, having no teams, that's why! And being so close to beat a Code S Korean is something too, even if the result in the end was a loss, she impressed with her skills, and no one besides the viewers of the Iron Lady cup and the Playhem ''Sponsor Me'' tournament know who she was. And seeing her ladder games, she keeps improving, and the patch probably helps her a lot with her ZvT early game weakness, so I think she's potentially dangerous. Don't pretend man. It is pretty obvious the main reason she is as popular as she is now is because of the gender change. She is a good player but again, dont pretend that it was her beating two mediocre koreans that led her to this fame. Sadly, women will always get extra attention especially in video games....that is just how the world works. She has potential to becoming a top player i just always find it extremely annoying how some fans overhype her to the point where they pretend she is already winning tournaments left and right. That and pretending her beating two mediocre koreans was the only reason for her fame. Just look at Incontrol for example, the guy is horrible by pro standards but he is one of the most popular pro's around because of his personality. It is the same here with Scarlett's gender change. She beat only one Korean, Terius, AKA BumbleBee; and 2 Koreans beat her in the same tournament. Isn't Ddoro korean? either way they are both mediocre so doesn't matter.
doesnt matter to you--a random forum poster. matters to Eclypsia/Acer--people with money.
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On June 23 2012 02:45 iGoTThiZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 02:30 MetalPanda wrote:On June 23 2012 02:23 doffe wrote:On June 23 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
So, she's famous for beating one Korean and got beaten by two other Koreans in the same tournament and resulting in 200 pages of fan club, the same number as the most popular Korean, MKP?
Sounds right. So? Popularity doesn't come from how many games you win...only! well, wouldnt it be better if it did? What else has nourished this popularity? The fact that its a Transsexual?. I mean, there are plenty of people that has beaten one Korean and does not have nearly this amount of fans. Seems a bit unfair imo :p. Its not like Scarlett won fans with some super charismatic personality (not saying the personality isnt super charismatic, just that the reason was not that). But then again, people can be fans of whomever they wish certinly, just find it funny how Scarlett have so many with so few results Just cause of a sexchange... prolly gonna get warned now, for being frank :p. I have nothing against any type of HBTq person, do what the fuck you want aslong as youre happy and dont hurt anyone. She came out of NO where, having no teams, that's why! And being so close to beat a Code S Korean is something too, even if the result in the end was a loss, she impressed with her skills, and no one besides the viewers of the Iron Lady cup and the Playhem ''Sponsor Me'' tournament know who she was. And seeing her ladder games, she keeps improving, and the patch probably helps her a lot with her ZvT early game weakness, so I think she's potentially dangerous. Don't pretend man. It is pretty obvious the main reason she is as popular as she is now is because of the gender change. She is a good player but again, dont pretend that it was her beating two mediocre koreans that led her to this fame. Sadly, women will always get extra attention especially in video games....that is just how the world works. She has potential to becoming a top player i just always find it extremely annoying how some fans overhype her to the point where they pretend she is already winning tournaments left and right. That and pretending her beating two mediocre koreans was the only reason for her fame. Just look at Incontrol for example, the guy is horrible by pro standards but he is one of the most popular pro's around because of his personality. It is the same here with Scarlett's gender change.
Is there something wrong with supporting players because you like them, not just because of their raw skill? I'm a Sheth fan because he's an awesome human being, I'm an Incontrol fan because he's fucking hilarious, I'm an IdrA fan because I identify with his struggle, and I'm a Scarlett fan because I think the scene needs more female (and trans*, for that matter) players. There are certain players, like the above, or teams, like Liquid, who I'll always root for, regardless of the results they're posting, simply because I like them. I'm not sure why this seems to offend you.
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On June 23 2012 04:26 nath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 04:23 iGoTThiZ wrote:On June 23 2012 03:56 NoGasfOu wrote:On June 23 2012 02:45 iGoTThiZ wrote:On June 23 2012 02:30 MetalPanda wrote:On June 23 2012 02:23 doffe wrote:On June 23 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
So, she's famous for beating one Korean and got beaten by two other Koreans in the same tournament and resulting in 200 pages of fan club, the same number as the most popular Korean, MKP?
Sounds right. So? Popularity doesn't come from how many games you win...only! well, wouldnt it be better if it did? What else has nourished this popularity? The fact that its a Transsexual?. I mean, there are plenty of people that has beaten one Korean and does not have nearly this amount of fans. Seems a bit unfair imo :p. Its not like Scarlett won fans with some super charismatic personality (not saying the personality isnt super charismatic, just that the reason was not that). But then again, people can be fans of whomever they wish certinly, just find it funny how Scarlett have so many with so few results Just cause of a sexchange... prolly gonna get warned now, for being frank :p. I have nothing against any type of HBTq person, do what the fuck you want aslong as youre happy and dont hurt anyone. She came out of NO where, having no teams, that's why! And being so close to beat a Code S Korean is something too, even if the result in the end was a loss, she impressed with her skills, and no one besides the viewers of the Iron Lady cup and the Playhem ''Sponsor Me'' tournament know who she was. And seeing her ladder games, she keeps improving, and the patch probably helps her a lot with her ZvT early game weakness, so I think she's potentially dangerous. Don't pretend man. It is pretty obvious the main reason she is as popular as she is now is because of the gender change. She is a good player but again, dont pretend that it was her beating two mediocre koreans that led her to this fame. Sadly, women will always get extra attention especially in video games....that is just how the world works. She has potential to becoming a top player i just always find it extremely annoying how some fans overhype her to the point where they pretend she is already winning tournaments left and right. That and pretending her beating two mediocre koreans was the only reason for her fame. Just look at Incontrol for example, the guy is horrible by pro standards but he is one of the most popular pro's around because of his personality. It is the same here with Scarlett's gender change. She beat only one Korean, Terius, AKA BumbleBee; and 2 Koreans beat her in the same tournament. Isn't Ddoro korean? either way they are both mediocre so doesn't matter. the point is that even sub-par/mediocre 'unknown' pros dont just go into tournaments and beat koreans without even having SOME team...completely teamless and going into a tournament and doing decently means the POTENTIAL is there. i dont know how you cannot see that. because of her potential, shown with her competing well without any support/team, she got a lot of hype and interest. her gender only added to it; not caused it.
I already said she has potential. How many times do i have to say that i dont think she is a bad player, i was just mentioning the overhype which is clearly due to her being transgender. If you cannot comprehend that then you have clearly lost track of reality. Her gender didn't "add" to her gaining as much fans as MKP, it was the MAIN part of her gaining as much fans after just one showing. Skills are not everything when it comes to hype and interest. If it were guys like Genius and Supernova would have had a team by now. Kinda feels like i am beating a dead horse here so ill move on with my life.
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On June 23 2012 05:50 CaptainPlatypus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 02:45 iGoTThiZ wrote:On June 23 2012 02:30 MetalPanda wrote:On June 23 2012 02:23 doffe wrote:On June 23 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
So, she's famous for beating one Korean and got beaten by two other Koreans in the same tournament and resulting in 200 pages of fan club, the same number as the most popular Korean, MKP?
Sounds right. So? Popularity doesn't come from how many games you win...only! well, wouldnt it be better if it did? What else has nourished this popularity? The fact that its a Transsexual?. I mean, there are plenty of people that has beaten one Korean and does not have nearly this amount of fans. Seems a bit unfair imo :p. Its not like Scarlett won fans with some super charismatic personality (not saying the personality isnt super charismatic, just that the reason was not that). But then again, people can be fans of whomever they wish certinly, just find it funny how Scarlett have so many with so few results Just cause of a sexchange... prolly gonna get warned now, for being frank :p. I have nothing against any type of HBTq person, do what the fuck you want aslong as youre happy and dont hurt anyone. She came out of NO where, having no teams, that's why! And being so close to beat a Code S Korean is something too, even if the result in the end was a loss, she impressed with her skills, and no one besides the viewers of the Iron Lady cup and the Playhem ''Sponsor Me'' tournament know who she was. And seeing her ladder games, she keeps improving, and the patch probably helps her a lot with her ZvT early game weakness, so I think she's potentially dangerous. Don't pretend man. It is pretty obvious the main reason she is as popular as she is now is because of the gender change. She is a good player but again, dont pretend that it was her beating two mediocre koreans that led her to this fame. Sadly, women will always get extra attention especially in video games....that is just how the world works. She has potential to becoming a top player i just always find it extremely annoying how some fans overhype her to the point where they pretend she is already winning tournaments left and right. That and pretending her beating two mediocre koreans was the only reason for her fame. Just look at Incontrol for example, the guy is horrible by pro standards but he is one of the most popular pro's around because of his personality. It is the same here with Scarlett's gender change. Is there something wrong with supporting players because you like them, not just because of their raw skill? I'm a Sheth fan because he's an awesome human being, I'm an Incontrol fan because he's fucking hilarious, I'm an IdrA fan because I identify with his struggle, and I'm a Scarlett fan because I think the scene needs more female (and trans*, for that matter) players. There are certain players, like the above, or teams, like Liquid, who I'll always root for, regardless of the results they're posting, simply because I like them. I'm not sure why this seems to offend you.
There is nothing wrong with you liking and being a fan of Scarlett even if she went 0-100. It's just some fanboys who are already considering her the best and refusing to admit that her being transgender was the main cause of her instant fame. I have become a fan of Incontrol not because of his skill, but because of his overall personality. That doesn't mean i can't be honest and not overhype him more than he is as a player. Which is how i feel about about most of the Scarlett bandwagon hoppers.
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On June 23 2012 06:03 iGoTThiZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 05:50 CaptainPlatypus wrote:On June 23 2012 02:45 iGoTThiZ wrote:On June 23 2012 02:30 MetalPanda wrote:On June 23 2012 02:23 doffe wrote:On June 23 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
So, she's famous for beating one Korean and got beaten by two other Koreans in the same tournament and resulting in 200 pages of fan club, the same number as the most popular Korean, MKP?
Sounds right. So? Popularity doesn't come from how many games you win...only! well, wouldnt it be better if it did? What else has nourished this popularity? The fact that its a Transsexual?. I mean, there are plenty of people that has beaten one Korean and does not have nearly this amount of fans. Seems a bit unfair imo :p. Its not like Scarlett won fans with some super charismatic personality (not saying the personality isnt super charismatic, just that the reason was not that). But then again, people can be fans of whomever they wish certinly, just find it funny how Scarlett have so many with so few results Just cause of a sexchange... prolly gonna get warned now, for being frank :p. I have nothing against any type of HBTq person, do what the fuck you want aslong as youre happy and dont hurt anyone. She came out of NO where, having no teams, that's why! And being so close to beat a Code S Korean is something too, even if the result in the end was a loss, she impressed with her skills, and no one besides the viewers of the Iron Lady cup and the Playhem ''Sponsor Me'' tournament know who she was. And seeing her ladder games, she keeps improving, and the patch probably helps her a lot with her ZvT early game weakness, so I think she's potentially dangerous. Don't pretend man. It is pretty obvious the main reason she is as popular as she is now is because of the gender change. She is a good player but again, dont pretend that it was her beating two mediocre koreans that led her to this fame. Sadly, women will always get extra attention especially in video games....that is just how the world works. She has potential to becoming a top player i just always find it extremely annoying how some fans overhype her to the point where they pretend she is already winning tournaments left and right. That and pretending her beating two mediocre koreans was the only reason for her fame. Just look at Incontrol for example, the guy is horrible by pro standards but he is one of the most popular pro's around because of his personality. It is the same here with Scarlett's gender change. Is there something wrong with supporting players because you like them, not just because of their raw skill? I'm a Sheth fan because he's an awesome human being, I'm an Incontrol fan because he's fucking hilarious, I'm an IdrA fan because I identify with his struggle, and I'm a Scarlett fan because I think the scene needs more female (and trans*, for that matter) players. There are certain players, like the above, or teams, like Liquid, who I'll always root for, regardless of the results they're posting, simply because I like them. I'm not sure why this seems to offend you. There is nothing wrong with you liking and being a fan of Scarlett even if she went 0-100. It's just some fanboys who are already considering her the best and refusing to admit that her being transgender was the main cause of her instant fame. I have become a fan of Incontrol not because of his skill, but because of his overall personality. That doesn't mean i can't be honest and not overhype him more than he is as a player. Which is how i feel about about most of the Scarlett bandwagon hoppers.
who is saying she is the best? i am curious.
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Gl! Happy to see women playing sc2! It is opening new oppurtunitys to ur loved scene!
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On June 23 2012 06:03 iGoTThiZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 05:50 CaptainPlatypus wrote:On June 23 2012 02:45 iGoTThiZ wrote:On June 23 2012 02:30 MetalPanda wrote:On June 23 2012 02:23 doffe wrote:On June 23 2012 01:33 Art.FeeL wrote:On June 23 2012 01:26 NoGasfOu wrote:
So, she's famous for beating one Korean and got beaten by two other Koreans in the same tournament and resulting in 200 pages of fan club, the same number as the most popular Korean, MKP?
Sounds right. So? Popularity doesn't come from how many games you win...only! well, wouldnt it be better if it did? What else has nourished this popularity? The fact that its a Transsexual?. I mean, there are plenty of people that has beaten one Korean and does not have nearly this amount of fans. Seems a bit unfair imo :p. Its not like Scarlett won fans with some super charismatic personality (not saying the personality isnt super charismatic, just that the reason was not that). But then again, people can be fans of whomever they wish certinly, just find it funny how Scarlett have so many with so few results Just cause of a sexchange... prolly gonna get warned now, for being frank :p. I have nothing against any type of HBTq person, do what the fuck you want aslong as youre happy and dont hurt anyone. She came out of NO where, having no teams, that's why! And being so close to beat a Code S Korean is something too, even if the result in the end was a loss, she impressed with her skills, and no one besides the viewers of the Iron Lady cup and the Playhem ''Sponsor Me'' tournament know who she was. And seeing her ladder games, she keeps improving, and the patch probably helps her a lot with her ZvT early game weakness, so I think she's potentially dangerous. Don't pretend man. It is pretty obvious the main reason she is as popular as she is now is because of the gender change. She is a good player but again, dont pretend that it was her beating two mediocre koreans that led her to this fame. Sadly, women will always get extra attention especially in video games....that is just how the world works. She has potential to becoming a top player i just always find it extremely annoying how some fans overhype her to the point where they pretend she is already winning tournaments left and right. That and pretending her beating two mediocre koreans was the only reason for her fame. Just look at Incontrol for example, the guy is horrible by pro standards but he is one of the most popular pro's around because of his personality. It is the same here with Scarlett's gender change. Is there something wrong with supporting players because you like them, not just because of their raw skill? I'm a Sheth fan because he's an awesome human being, I'm an Incontrol fan because he's fucking hilarious, I'm an IdrA fan because I identify with his struggle, and I'm a Scarlett fan because I think the scene needs more female (and trans*, for that matter) players. There are certain players, like the above, or teams, like Liquid, who I'll always root for, regardless of the results they're posting, simply because I like them. I'm not sure why this seems to offend you. There is nothing wrong with you liking and being a fan of Scarlett even if she went 0-100. It's just some fanboys who are already considering her the best and refusing to admit that her being transgender was the main cause of her instant fame. I have become a fan of Incontrol not because of his skill, but because of his overall personality. That doesn't mean i can't be honest and not overhype him more than he is as a player. Which is how i feel about about most of the Scarlett bandwagon hoppers.
Who are these people you're talking about that are saying she's the best in the world? There's like... a very small number of people that grossly overestimate her skill in the fanclub, most of us just recognize her potential and want to see her improve.
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shit just got real she'll be practicing with nerchio and Bly. expecting even more impressive stuff from her in the future
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Scarlet threads are such ban traps. Great to see the community's general consensus about the fact that this trolling / bigotry / stupidity about her gender is not acceptable.
Good luck to her and gratz!!
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I've not seen much of her since her debut (to me) at the IPL4. Is she still consistently good and knocking down top pros?
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Yay for Scarlett! Glad to see her with Acer 
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After DarkHydra joined Acer and Osho retired, management was beginning to worry that the Zerg presence on the team was becoming much too low to compete in teamleagues. Nerchio recommended me to fill the gap and so here we are! Hello to all my new teammates and I look forward to playing alongside you!
She got jokes!
Gratz to Team Acer and Scarlett
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Why would you have a team so race heavy towards 1 race?
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Ooooo congrats and good luck!
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On June 23 2012 05:50 CaptainPlatypus wrote:
Is there something wrong with supporting players because you like them, not just because of their raw skill? I'm a Sheth fan because he's an awesome human being, I'm an Incontrol fan because he's fucking hilarious, I'm an IdrA fan because I identify with his struggle, and I'm a Scarlett fan because I think the scene needs more female (and trans*, for that matter) players. There are certain players, like the above, or teams, like Liquid, who I'll always root for, regardless of the results they're posting, simply because I like them. I'm not sure why this seems to offend you.
I very much agree with this. And all of the players listed above are really really good. It's not like they are the best of the best (right now; or maybe even ever), but that's not the only reason to be a fan of a sportsperson. You identify with the struggle. It may or may not have a happy ending. That's what makes it fun, right?
Anyway, that aside, I think Scarlett has real potential. I'm waiting to see what happens next. What's wrong with getting excited to see what the future holds for her? That's what being a fan is about right, cheering your hero on?
In passing - people who are distressed that others are overhyping Scarlett - I think you are misreading fan enthusiasm for something else. A manager can overhype. But we don't represent her commercially or anything. We are just fans. Fans cheer. Definitionally. You can only overhype if you are trying to sell something. Cheering does't equal overhyping. So there really isn't any need to be distressed.
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Why i dont see Mondi in the roster? I luv Mondi !!! <3
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Congratulations Scarlett.
Also, I like Acer's healthy rate of zergs.
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