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Hey guys, we will be creating a bunch of videos from the floor. Make sure you check them out and visit MLG.tv for more.
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Interview with MarineKing, Fan Favorite and Hero of Reddit <object id="flashObj" width="600" height="338" classid="clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000" codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=9,0,47,0"><param name="movie" value="http://c.brightcove.com/services/viewer/federated_f9?isVid=1&isUI=1" /><param name="bgcolor" value="#FFFFFF" /><param name="flashVars" value="videoId=1218774305001&playerID=77799657001&playerKey=AQ~~,AAAAENYkOZk~,v4FntHbZhTSQ9B-Jeb6shnssqwZMp0IR&domain=embed&dynamicStreaming=true" /><param name="base" value="http://admin.brightcove.com" /><param name="seamlesstabbing" value="false" /><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /><param name="swLiveConnect" value="true" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><embed src="http://c.brightcove.com/services/viewer/federated_f9?isVid=1&isUI=1" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" flashVars="videoId=1218774305001&playerID=77799657001&playerKey=AQ~~,AAAAENYkOZk~,v4FntHbZhTSQ9B-Jeb6shnssqwZMp0IR&domain=embed&dynamicStreaming=true" base="http://admin.brightcove.com" name="flashObj" width="600" height="338" seamlesstabbing="false" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" swLiveConnect="true" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash"></embed></object>
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I suggest making one dedicated thread for all the MLG videos you'll be putting out - makes it easier to find and less cluttered as well!
Hope the Jinro video gets fixed soon :3
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I asked, every time i edit a post it will disable the embeds. Only mods can embed in post. Will upload in batches with Kennegit since he is here.
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No inclusion of huk as a person who will carry the race forward?
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since mlgben is posting in this thread seems like a good place to ask
can you fix your streamer to not reset volume every time quality or stream choice is changed D:
videos from the floor are great though!
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LOL I love jinro and agree with what he said about protoss :D. That just made me laugh "i have no sympathy for protoss fuck you" lmao. <3 you jinro!
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I love watching JYP, Hero, Sage, and Oz. Their tactics are very enjoyable to watch. I just hope they don't look so much better because they are facing people in Code A rather than Code S. But I am definitely rooting for them to make it through the up and downs, so we get to see!
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On October 15 2011 10:44 turdburgler wrote: since mlgben is posting in this thread seems like a good place to ask
can you fix your streamer to not reset volume every time quality or stream choice is changed D:
videos from the floor are great though!
Probably not something we can do this weekend, but I will add it to my list for Providence. Please keep sending any and all feedback you may have. You guys make us better!
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Hero and sage sure... JYP gonna carry protoss when he can't win a PvT if his life depended on it with 15-20 terrans in code S? I'll glady eat my words if he suddenly becomes protoss jesus but I just don't see it.
JYP's record
PvT: 6-18 (25.00%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): L L L L L L L L L L
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most players are in agreement that protoss should not be doing as poorly as they have been.
less all ins, more macro and then you get more wins.
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They seem more creative than the other Protoss but I dunno about being skillfully and mechanically. I see JYP not being able to keep up with the Terran multitasking but MC having no problem with that. I don't think that they were playing high level caliber of players either.
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Even more love for Jinro, totally agree that many of the former Code S protoss players were just not that amazing.
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no offense to jinro's opinion but every single protoss he named would get destroyed for the most part by the top level terran players, and yes you can look at the general but the maximum potential with all races at the highest level is really what tells the fundamental balances of each race, if you play each race perfectly u should have equal or similar results at top level, if not then either the players playing protoss arer horrible or its actually the race, he doesn't show sympathy for protoss, i didn't show sympathy for zerg or terran when protoss was the best, its quite common u will hear this kind of response from any none protoss....
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On October 15 2011 10:52 MLGrben wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 10:44 turdburgler wrote: since mlgben is posting in this thread seems like a good place to ask
can you fix your streamer to not reset volume every time quality or stream choice is changed D:
videos from the floor are great though! Probably not something we can do this weekend, but I will add it to my list for Providence. Please keep sending any and all feedback you may have. You guys make us better!
Love the quad view thing! Absolutely awesome way to watch. I only have a few issues with it, like that in full screen my mouse for some reason stays on top. And also the output bandwidth per user on the server isn't enough. I have a 100Mbit/s connection according to speedtest but am having issues switching to ultra quality causing lag/freezing and then there is no way to make the stream start again. E.g. red stream on ultra watching, switch it to medium, go to black stream switch it to ultra and then it just lags and doesn't work until I refresh.
But still works out great overall so I can switch around the matches!
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So can we talk about Protoss balance and solutions in this topic, seeing as the OP is kinda about that, or should we just only and only comment on the video without expanding on some answers from jinro?
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On October 15 2011 10:56 K3Nyy wrote: They seem more creative than the other Protoss but I dunno about being skillfully and mechanically. I see JYP not being able to keep up with the Terran multitasking but MC having no problem with that. I don't think that they were playing high level caliber of players either.
MC may have the multitasking but not the smarts to keep up with Terrans ( and Zergs ) .He alot of times goes from genius to total idiot in a matter of seconds and takes risks way too big.
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On October 15 2011 10:54 Let it Raine wrote: most players are in agreement that protoss should not be doing as poorly as they have been.
less all ins, more macro and then you get more wins.
protoss "hopes" like sage all in more than you think.
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On October 15 2011 11:03 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 10:54 Let it Raine wrote: most players are in agreement that protoss should not be doing as poorly as they have been.
less all ins, more macro and then you get more wins. protoss "hopes" like sage all in more than you think.
Well that doesn't take away what he said about protoss .
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On October 15 2011 10:59 nt-rAven wrote: no offense to jinro's opinion but every single protoss he named would get destroyed for the most part by the top level terran players, and yes you can look at the general but the maximum potential with all races at the highest level is really what tells the fundamental balances of each race, if you play each race perfectly u should have equal or similar results at top level, if not then either the players playing protoss arer horrible or its actually the race, he doesn't show sympathy for protoss, i didn't show sympathy for zerg or terran when protoss was the best, its quite common u will hear this kind of response from any none protoss....
thats the thing though, its hard to say that protoss has been played at the highest level. as jinro alluded to, the toss mainstays in code s were generally very cheesy and timing attack oriented. mc was the undisputed champion of protoss but is now in code b and it would be dishonest to say that he was playing a robust, macro style of toss. its tough to say toss has been playing their game with maximum potential when warp prism tactics are just now seeing the light of day and toss seemingly just remembered how powerful their upgrades can be. the only issue that could possibly remain is ghost range being a bit too strong.
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On October 15 2011 11:01 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 10:56 K3Nyy wrote: They seem more creative than the other Protoss but I dunno about being skillfully and mechanically. I see JYP not being able to keep up with the Terran multitasking but MC having no problem with that. I don't think that they were playing high level caliber of players either. MC may have the multitasking but not the smarts to keep up with Terrans ( and Zergs ) .He alot of times goes from genius to total idiot in a matter of seconds and takes risks way too big.
I feel like the risk thing is really overblown. Tyler says it once and now everyone makes it sound like he goes Nexus first every game. I don't see him take many risks actually, he just has too much of an allin mentality.
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The major problem iv seen with protoss is two major things, other races have identified that when a protoss expands its very vulnerable race with a major lack of defense, one of the major problem is the photon cannon needed a forge and the absolute need for cybercore early game, and the simple lack of units when taking a 3rd with drops harass and split army confrontation with the huge emphesis of the trilogy gateway combo... The other major problem is the mirror, i really put stock into mirror matchups improving each race tremendously seeing as the margin of error vs your own race is so slim, it really evolves play, and protoss being stuck on 4g v 4g for so long really set back protoss player development and understanding of the game, damn koreans for figuring that build out. Im hoping for a balance update for protoss, adding atleast 1 upgrade after removing 2 would be atleast somewhat fair, but im really looking forward to an improved mirror matchup in pvp to potentialy push the race in a better direction~
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On October 15 2011 10:54 Let it Raine wrote: most players are in agreement that protoss should not be doing as poorly as they have been.
less all ins, more macro and then you get more wins.
I dunno about that. Lately I have been seeing a more macro style of play and a lot of the Protoss QQ actually comes from macro games.
Ghost's EMP pretty much have been destroying Protoss' late game and that results from macro games. Stargate play vs Zerg have been continuously been destroyed despite how much it seems to do and that is from macro games. Taking a 3rd against Zerg also seemed really hard in pro games.
I really hate it when people just spout nonsense ffs.
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On October 15 2011 11:17 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 10:54 Let it Raine wrote: most players are in agreement that protoss should not be doing as poorly as they have been.
less all ins, more macro and then you get more wins. I dunno about that. Lately I have been seeing a more macro style of play and a lot of the Protoss QQ actually comes from macro games. Ghost's EMP pretty much have been destroying Protoss' late game and that results from macro games. Stargate play vs Zerg have been continuously been destroyed despite how much it seems to do and that is from macro games. Taking a 3rd against Zerg also seemed really hard in pro games. I really hate it when people just spout nonsense ffs.
But your the one spouting non sense. I see tosses take thirds vs zergs just fine a lot of the time when they try for it... There isn't much zvp in GSL so again if your going by that most don't even try taking a third they just do 2 base all ins.
He was not spouting non sense at all.
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On October 15 2011 11:07 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 11:01 s3rp wrote:On October 15 2011 10:56 K3Nyy wrote: They seem more creative than the other Protoss but I dunno about being skillfully and mechanically. I see JYP not being able to keep up with the Terran multitasking but MC having no problem with that. I don't think that they were playing high level caliber of players either. MC may have the multitasking but not the smarts to keep up with Terrans ( and Zergs ) .He alot of times goes from genius to total idiot in a matter of seconds and takes risks way too big. I feel like the risk thing is really overblown. Tyler says it once and now everyone makes it sound like he goes Nexus first every game. I don't see him take many risks actually, he just has too much of an allin mentality.
It's not Nexus first more like stupid risks. Like moving big parts of his army into the opponents base / position blindly to maybe snipe something and then losing it and subsequently losing the game. That happened ALOT recently at least as much as his stupid all-ins.
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lol jinro says this, but toss winrates on ladder and gsl are horrific. Also no offense to jinro, but terrans dominate tosses. Jinro just loses all his tvps so he blames that tosses are good....
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On October 15 2011 11:19 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 11:17 K3Nyy wrote:On October 15 2011 10:54 Let it Raine wrote: most players are in agreement that protoss should not be doing as poorly as they have been.
less all ins, more macro and then you get more wins. I dunno about that. Lately I have been seeing a more macro style of play and a lot of the Protoss QQ actually comes from macro games. Ghost's EMP pretty much have been destroying Protoss' late game and that results from macro games. Stargate play vs Zerg have been continuously been destroyed despite how much it seems to do and that is from macro games. Taking a 3rd against Zerg also seemed really hard in pro games. I really hate it when people just spout nonsense ffs. But your the one spouting non sense. I see tosses take thirds vs zergs just fine a lot of the time when they try for it... There isn't much zvp in GSL so again if your going by that most don't even try taking a third they just do 2 base all ins. He was not spouting non sense at all.
In GSL, from what I remember, a lot of Protoss go Stargate and harass a bit then try to go Colo while taking a 3rd. At this point Zerg maxes out and Protoss is stuck at around 130-140 supply and Zerg just overwhelms.
And what about PvT.. do you see a lot of 2 base allins there?
I'm not arguing anything about balance or whatever if that's what I'm sounding like. I'm arguing against the fact that everyone seems to think Protoss allins every other game. Plus, it's not like Zergs and Terrans don't do timing attacks right?
By the way, I played you before on ladder or a tourney before LOL. ><"!!
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lol epic answer is epic <3
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On October 15 2011 11:30 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 11:19 blade55555 wrote:On October 15 2011 11:17 K3Nyy wrote:On October 15 2011 10:54 Let it Raine wrote: most players are in agreement that protoss should not be doing as poorly as they have been.
less all ins, more macro and then you get more wins. I dunno about that. Lately I have been seeing a more macro style of play and a lot of the Protoss QQ actually comes from macro games. Ghost's EMP pretty much have been destroying Protoss' late game and that results from macro games. Stargate play vs Zerg have been continuously been destroyed despite how much it seems to do and that is from macro games. Taking a 3rd against Zerg also seemed really hard in pro games. I really hate it when people just spout nonsense ffs. But your the one spouting non sense. I see tosses take thirds vs zergs just fine a lot of the time when they try for it... There isn't much zvp in GSL so again if your going by that most don't even try taking a third they just do 2 base all ins. He was not spouting non sense at all. In GSL, from what I remember, a lot of Protoss go Stargate and harass a bit then try to go Colo while taking a 3rd. At this point Zerg maxes out and Protoss is stuck at around 130-140 supply and Zerg just overwhelms. And what about PvT.. do you see a lot of 2 base allins there? I'm not arguing anything about balance or whatever if that's what I'm sounding like. I'm arguing against the fact that everyone seems to think Protoss allins every other game. Plus, it's not like Zergs and Terrans don't do timing attacks right? By the way, I played you before on ladder or a tourney before LOL. ><"!!
lol ^^ whats your username (just curious!) .
Well pvt emp does seem really strong I will give you that in pvz though I think a macro style is fine once more and more tosses get used to doing it and its shown in succession a little lately when tosses go into macro games their winning more then when they 2 base all in (huk vs zenio, kiwi vs stephano are 2 quick ones that come to mind). Haven't seen to much zvp lately where the toss goes macro and there are of course games where a zerg beats a toss who went macro but their normally a lot closer then when the toss 2 base all ins then gets rolled xD.
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On October 15 2011 11:03 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 10:54 Let it Raine wrote: most players are in agreement that protoss should not be doing as poorly as they have been.
less all ins, more macro and then you get more wins. protoss "hopes" like sage all in more than you think.
Zerg can hit 100 drones before protoss can hit 60 probes if they rush third base, meanwhile terran has the best harassment capability in the game and can ALSO sustain higher minerals/minute than toss using mules.
Macro protoss is vunerable to so so many things, and HuK said he gave up on trying to get a really fast third base in any matchup because you simply dont have the units to defend one early (i think before 12-13 minutes or so at the earliest)
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No way Jinro. Protoss is just too weak right now. I feel like Marauders are too strong with stim and on the other hand zealots are too weak.
Even ultralisks and/or roaches are no match for marauders so that just goes to show how imba they are.
And a lot of times even siege tanks are not enough to deal with marauders.
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emp range should be nerfed maybe but toss should really learn to spread army vs ghosts ... why does terran player learn how to spread marines vs banelings, tanks, and infestors. Zergs also have learned to spread units pretty effectively while protoss just goes 1a. I love that protoss are rediscovering their race with warp prisms but come on protoss players should stop qq'ing and start getting creative and less all inning.
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suggestion for MLG staff/tl mods: I would suggest for this MLG and future ones to make a general section thread that is routinely updated with MLG videos of content like this. something like "MLG Orlando Highlights [real-time] updates" or something along those lines. As for the video, I liked/agree with his stance on protoss as a race and their previous "heros" and their current one(s).
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I completely agree with jinro, as much as I love Hongun, none of the players bar MC were "robust" players. And hell you can even argue(and MC himself admitted it) that they relied a lot in timmings(which is not really that bad as SC is about Timmings) but they got figured out and they are suffering. We shall see if the new blood will be able to show us more about the race.
People forget that in BW PvZ had the +1 speedlot archon timming as the standard in games. That got figured out, P were suffering for a long time and then Bisu figured out an alternative/ Stuff like that takes a long time to figure out.
But yeah this is a wait and see situation IMO. If nothing comes up then sure go ahead and ask Blizzard to patch it, but so far I feels its been too little time.
Edit: Thanks for the video, how rude of me
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I really think White-Ra was worth mentioning.
thanks for the link though, never would have found this myself.
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Just me or does Milkis speak with over 9000 APM.
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MKP: "to repay fans I will win the tournament"
bold statement yo. i'd be so happy to see MKP win though.
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I love what Jinro said lol
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THANK YOU for saying this Jinro. Its just fact.
Off topic: Look at Rets facial hair -EG.Ret? :O
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Aw! My reign friends are on there, thanks for interviewing one of em!
First MLG I've been to and it was nothing short of amazing. The NOS afterparty is fun, to those going they are from 10pm-2am room 5095 st augustine. Free pizza/cookies/gaming and a great networking opportunity. Boxer is staying _somewhere_ on that floor too....
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So yeah...why does slasher still have his hair :p
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jinro is right. i hope he gets second after mkp (lol).
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MKP COME ON! we need you on the main stage now. GOGOGOGO
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On October 15 2011 11:46 NNTP wrote: emp range should be nerfed maybe but toss should really learn to spread army vs ghosts ... why does terran player learn how to spread marines vs banelings, tanks, and infestors. Zergs also have learned to spread units pretty effectively while protoss just goes 1a. I love that protoss are rediscovering their race with warp prisms but come on protoss players should stop qq'ing and start getting creative and less all inning.
Most good Protoss players do spread their army against ghosts. But that doesn't stop the Terran from carpet bombing their entire fucking army with emp's.
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The ads before all the vids are annoying
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Awesome, thank you for the interviews!
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Lol @ the MKP interview ..the Korean progamers love the American burgers! I think it was In-Out Burger they were enjoying at NASL.
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Israel2209 Posts
Thanks a lot for posting these here, much easier to find now
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Great interviews, loved them What have I learned?
Milkis says "so" alot  MKP has a nice voice  Sheth is a cool, funny guy Jinro hates Protoss  Slush is a very mannered person
Thanks for those
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On October 15 2011 19:36 Ghola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2011 11:46 NNTP wrote: emp range should be nerfed maybe but toss should really learn to spread army vs ghosts ... why does terran player learn how to spread marines vs banelings, tanks, and infestors. Zergs also have learned to spread units pretty effectively while protoss just goes 1a. I love that protoss are rediscovering their race with warp prisms but come on protoss players should stop qq'ing and start getting creative and less all inning. Most good Protoss players do spread their army against ghosts. But that doesn't stop the Terran from carpet bombing their entire fucking army with emp's.
ive never seen a protoss player focus down ghosts with colossus while spreading their energy units while doing 2 drops in someones expansions
untill they do its not worth saying protoss is weaker than terran when they are playing objectively worse.
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cause a terran will just use vikings to snipe the collosus, protoss units are not marines, cant just money dump in extremly cost effecient units, and zealots take a lot more control then clicking the t button.. ya we can storm drop but you can hellion drop then we have nothing to defend the major terran bio.... trying to compare it in those terms is flawed analogy seeing as every protoss unit is more expensive then terrans and less effective in most cases
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guys sorry for being a little off-topic here, unfortunately i missed day 1 on the mlg homepage, is it recorded anywhere?
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